I-175 Waiver Evidence

[blistex27 4]

Hello all! I posted on this forum a few months back about a person I knew who has his conditional green card, but whose wife constantly ups the stakes and insists that he plays by her rules or she will not file his Removal of Conditions paperwork for him. At this point, she demands all his money earned from work, refuses to give him any spending money, and charges him for things such as car insurance, phone bills, etc. He has had about all he can take and would rather return to his home country than lie down and take this treatment anymore. The wife has insisted on a year-long separation with an eventual divorce, but, at this point, I believe he would rather divorce and just return home.

My question is this: Is there an alternative route for him? If he could somehow qualify for a waiver of the I-751 joint filing requirement (ie, by obtaining divorce decree), what evidence would he need to present? Before she destroyed a bunch of evidence, he managed to take about 5 months worth of bank account statements (mind you, his name is on the joint account, but she refuses to give him a debit card), 2 years of jointly filed tax returns, proof of health insurance with him as the beneficiary, car insurance, title to a car purchased jointly in his/her name, phone bill in her name but listing his number as part of the same plan, and bills showing that both reside at the same address. He does not have an apartment lease or deed with his name on the title, as she purchased a house (paid in full) before she sponsored him to America. If push comes to shove, does he have a fighting chance with USCIS? How difficult is this process? Please, any advice would be extremely helpful.

[Peace be still 6]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

[blistex27 4]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

[Peace be still 6]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

Ok I get what you are saying but you have to understand that so much fraud happens like this with MENA men that it's not funny. As far as her wanting a baby, did he promise her one before they got married? Did you write the previous post about the woman that had bipolar, and her husband wanted out of the marriage? If not it sound Fibroids can be removed and she could concieve. Perhaps he just doesn't want a baby with her. May I ask how old is she?

I agree that a person can be one way when they are dating and another when they are married. So surly there has to be something still there that he loves about her? I am not saying that a person's dignity should be taken, so in that aspect I do feel really bad if this is the case. He needs to continue on working collecting evidence. He needs to attend counseling for himself, and this leads to a paper trail of his anxiety and depression that was brought on by his spouse's emotionally unstable behavior. He needs to seek counseling for the 2 of them, and he needs to show proof that he has attempted that on numerous occassions as evidence. But he has a fight from the debts of Hell especially if he is from a MENA country. So hopefully the right and moral decision will be made.

This tread caused me to wake my husband out of his bed and have a nice talk with him. I couldn't immagine us going through something as horrible as this. If you are telling the truth then this woman has serious mental health issues, and Inshallah the person will be blessed and obtain his freedom and all the benefits that American Citizens receive. However if this is a scam towards another older woman that will be left with a broken heart. Then he will fall into the hands of an angry GOD, and may nothing he touch prosper.

[blistex27 4]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

Ok I get what you are saying but you have to understand that so much fraud happens like this with MENA men that it's not funny. As far as her wanting a baby, did he promise her one before they got married? Did you write the previous post about the woman that had bipolar, and her husband wanted out of the marriage? If not it sound Fibroids can be removed and she could concieve. Perhaps he just doesn't want a baby with her. May I ask how old is she?

I agree that a person can be one way when they are dating and another when they are married. So surly there has to be something still there that he loves about her? I am not saying that a person's dignity should be taken, so in that aspect I do feel really bad if this is the case. He needs to continue on working collecting evidence. He needs to attend counseling for himself, and this leads to a paper trail of his anxiety and depression that was brought on by his spouse's emotionally unstable behavior. He needs to seek counseling for the 2 of them, and he needs to show proof that he has attempted that on numerous occassions as evidence. But he has a fight from the debts of Hell especially if he is from a MENA country. So hopefully the right and moral decision will be made.

This tread caused me to wake my husband out of his bed and have a nice talk with him. I couldn't immagine us going through something as horrible as this. If you are telling the truth then this woman has serious mental health issues, and Inshallah the person will be blessed and obtain his freedom and all the benefits that American Citizens receive. However if this is a scam towards another older woman that will be left with a broken heart. Then he will fall into the hands of an angry GOD, and may nothing he touch prosper.

Hi, this gentlemen is not a MENA man, and I'm sorry to hear that this happens alot to them. I think it's a sad system that leaves so much of another person's fate in the hands of another, making the USC or whatever think they are God and can make whatever demands they would like. It's not that the man hasn't tried, it's just that he CAN'T anymore. She is insecure, which makes her overly controlling. She really has no reason to suspect him, but I believe she is afraid to be alone (she is 44). No, he never promised her a baby - you can't PROMISE those things, they either happen or they don't. Anyways, I did not write the previous post about the woman with bipolar - my heart really goes out to the GC holder because he can't be in a good position either way. I see that with alot of people on this site where the relationship no longer is working, but their new lives have really begun here and it would be difficult for them to pick up and return home (or there is no longer anything left at home) but they continue to remain in the relationship until they are squared away Green Card wise. The relationship may have been bona fide at the inception, but when things happen, it looks like fraud. Either way, it puts the beneficiary in a tough position.

Anways, I will let the gentlmen know he should continue collecting evidence. I wonder how much evidence is enough, and what are the odds of approval.

[Peace be still 6]

Seek an abuse counselor advice. They can tell you when you have enough.

[Beauty for Ashes 257]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

Ok I get what you are saying but you have to understand that so much fraud happens like this with MENA men that it's not funny. As far as her wanting a baby, did he promise her one before they got married? Did you write the previous post about the woman that had bipolar, and her husband wanted out of the marriage? If not it sound Fibroids can be removed and she could concieve. Perhaps he just doesn't want a baby with her. May I ask how old is she?

I agree that a person can be one way when they are dating and another when they are married. So surly there has to be something still there that he loves about her? I am not saying that a person's dignity should be taken, so in that aspect I do feel really bad if this is the case. He needs to continue on working collecting evidence. He needs to attend counseling for himself, and this leads to a paper trail of his anxiety and depression that was brought on by his spouse's emotionally unstable behavior. He needs to seek counseling for the 2 of them, and he needs to show proof that he has attempted that on numerous occassions as evidence. But he has a fight from the debts of Hell especially if he is from a MENA country. So hopefully the right and moral decision will be made.

This tread caused me to wake my husband out of his bed and have a nice talk with him. I couldn't immagine us going through something as horrible as this. If you are telling the truth then this woman has serious mental health issues, and Inshallah the person will be blessed and obtain his freedom and all the benefits that American Citizens receive. However if this is a scam towards another older woman that will be left with a broken heart. Then he will fall into the hands of an angry GOD, and may nothing he touch prosper.

I absolutely concur. I think the american needs to get a divorce and do absolutely nothing to remove conditions. She probably talked intensely about having a baby with him, he got here and then would not do anything to have one with her, probably chats online so she feels like HEY.. I want out and I am not helping him because he lied to me. Let him collect by himself. If they are not working out, why does he want to stay here? He moved here to be with her. Let him go home... I am sick of these guys

[Ihavequestions 419]

Hello all! I posted on this forum a few months back about a person I knew who has his conditional green card, but whose wife constantly ups the stakes and insists that he plays by her rules or she will not file his Removal of Conditions paperwork for him. At this point, she demands all his money earned from work, refuses to give him any spending money, and charges him for things such as car insurance, phone bills, etc. He has had about all he can take and would rather return to his home country than lie down and take this treatment anymore. The wife has insisted on a year-long separation with an eventual divorce, but, at this point, I believe he would rather divorce and just return home.

My question is this: Is there an alternative route for him? If he could somehow qualify for a waiver of the I-751 joint filing requirement (ie, by obtaining divorce decree), what evidence would he need to present? Before she destroyed a bunch of evidence, he managed to take about 5 months worth of bank account statements (mind you, his name is on the joint account, but she refuses to give him a debit card), 2 years of jointly filed tax returns, proof of health insurance with him as the beneficiary, car insurance, title to a car purchased jointly in his/her name, phone bill in her name but listing his number as part of the same plan, and bills showing that both reside at the same address. He does not have an apartment lease or deed with his name on the title, as she purchased a house (paid in full) before she sponsored him to America. If push comes to shove, does he have a fighting chance with USCIS? How difficult is this process? Please, any advice would be extremely helpful.

Why worry about "an alternative route" if "he would rather divorce and just return home"?

[blistex27 4]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

Ok I get what you are saying but you have to understand that so much fraud happens like this with MENA men that it's not funny. As far as her wanting a baby, did he promise her one before they got married? Did you write the previous post about the woman that had bipolar, and her husband wanted out of the marriage? If not it sound Fibroids can be removed and she could concieve. Perhaps he just doesn't want a baby with her. May I ask how old is she?

I agree that a person can be one way when they are dating and another when they are married. So surly there has to be something still there that he loves about her? I am not saying that a person's dignity should be taken, so in that aspect I do feel really bad if this is the case. He needs to continue on working collecting evidence. He needs to attend counseling for himself, and this leads to a paper trail of his anxiety and depression that was brought on by his spouse's emotionally unstable behavior. He needs to seek counseling for the 2 of them, and he needs to show proof that he has attempted that on numerous occassions as evidence. But he has a fight from the debts of Hell especially if he is from a MENA country. So hopefully the right and moral decision will be made.

This tread caused me to wake my husband out of his bed and have a nice talk with him. I couldn't immagine us going through something as horrible as this. If you are telling the truth then this woman has serious mental health issues, and Inshallah the person will be blessed and obtain his freedom and all the benefits that American Citizens receive. However if this is a scam towards another older woman that will be left with a broken heart. Then he will fall into the hands of an angry GOD, and may nothing he touch prosper.

I absolutely concur. I think the american needs to get a divorce and do absolutely nothing to remove conditions. She probably talked intensely about having a baby with him, he got here and then would not do anything to have one with her, probably chats online so she feels like HEY.. I want out and I am not helping him because he lied to me. Let him collect by himself. If they are not working out, why does he want to stay here? He moved here to be with her. Let him go home... I am sick of these guys

Thank you all for your comments. However, I must say that a lesson in close reading would be beneficial to more than a few members of the reply post of this topic. If you had read carefully, it is the USC wife who is being difficult, not the beneficiary. Additionally, can you blame the guy for not wanting to have kids with this woman? He did at one point, but after living with her and seeing how she is, you likely wouldn't want to have shared DNA in the form of a child running around either. You can be sick of the guys who commit fraud, but there are plenty of people who come here with good intentions and then get the short end of the stick. This guy just happened to be one of them. It happens to plenty of people, so it is unfair that you can be quick to conclude fraud. yes, the gentleman beneficiary can easily go home, and he would gladly do so. however, he has come so far, given up so much, been through alot, and suffered plenty. At least he should be given a fighting chance to continue the life he started here. that's why I asked for advice regarding an "alternative route," not him. Please, in the future, before you start with your bombasts about fraud, trickery, and defending the poor USC, put yourself in someone else's shoes and walk a mile in it. Maybe it will change your perspective on things. The USC is not always the noble party.

[Blessed N Favored 6]

Whatever happen to marriage counseling? It's stories like this that make a person filing for a petition for a foreign spouse/fiance nervous. Why would this person want out of the marriage after just 2yrs? Is the wife suspecting something is not right as the reason to her not wanting to remove conditions? It sounds like the person got the green card and now wants out of the marriage. So so so sad.

Hi, thank you for your comments. It is not he who wants out of the marriage, it is the USC spouse. Please read the post carefully - it is not because she doesn't want to remove conditions, it is she refuses to do it unless its her way. Her demands are not only outrageous, but they are unreasonable. For instance, she told him flat out she will not file to remove his conditions unless she is pregnant with his child by then. For her, this is unreasonable, as she alread has a history of fibroids and is advanced in age. Also, sometimes these things happen and sometimes they don't no matter what you do. Plus, she's too cheap to pay for marriage counseling. She won't even give him $50 to spend, why would she pay outrageous sums for counseling? If you had to live like him, you would want out too. Not to be rude, but I did not appreciate you implying the marriage was not bona fide. A person can be one way when you are dating, and another way when you are married. And long-distances can often blur the distinction between the two - that's why success rates are questionable. Hope that clears any ambiguity you may have regarding my post.

Ok I get what you are saying but you have to understand that so much fraud happens like this with MENA men that it's not funny. As far as her wanting a baby, did he promise her one before they got married? Did you write the previous post about the woman that had bipolar, and her husband wanted out of the marriage? If not it sound Fibroids can be removed and she could concieve. Perhaps he just doesn't want a baby with her. May I ask how old is she?

I agree that a person can be one way when they are dating and another when they are married. So surly there has to be something still there that he loves about her? I am not saying that a person's dignity should be taken, so in that aspect I do feel really bad if this is the case. He needs to continue on working collecting evidence. He needs to attend counseling for himself, and this leads to a paper trail of his anxiety and depression that was brought on by his spouse's emotionally unstable behavior. He needs to seek counseling for the 2 of them, and he needs to show proof that he has attempted that on numerous occassions as evidence. But he has a fight from the debts of Hell especially if he is from a MENA country. So hopefully the right and moral decision will be made.

This tread caused me to wake my husband out of his bed and have a nice talk with him. I couldn't immagine us going through something as horrible as this. If you are telling the truth then this woman has serious mental health issues, and Inshallah the person will be blessed and obtain his freedom and all the benefits that American Citizens receive. However if this is a scam towards another older woman that will be left with a broken heart. Then he will fall into the hands of an angry GOD, and may nothing he touch prosper.

I absolutely concur. I think the american needs to get a divorce and do absolutely nothing to remove conditions. She probably talked intensely about having a baby with him, he got here and then would not do anything to have one with her, probably chats online so she feels like HEY.. I want out and I am not helping him because he lied to me. Let him collect by himself. If they are not working out, why does he want to stay here? He moved here to be with her. Let him go home... I am sick of these guys

Thank you all for your comments. However, I must say that a lesson in close reading would be beneficial to more than a few members of the reply post of this topic. If you had read carefully, it is the USC wife who is being difficult, not the beneficiary. Additionally, can you blame the guy for not wanting to have kids with this woman? He did at one point, but after living with her and seeing how she is, you likely wouldn't want to have shared DNA in the form of a child running around either. You can be sick of the guys who commit fraud, but there are plenty of people who come here with good intentions and then get the short end of the stick. This guy just happened to be one of them. It happens to plenty of people, so it is unfair that you can be quick to conclude fraud. yes, the gentleman beneficiary can easily go home, and he would gladly do so. however, he has come so far, given up so much, been through alot, and suffered plenty. At least he should be given a fighting chance to continue the life he started here. that's why I asked for advice regarding an "alternative route," not him. Please, in the future, before you start with your bombasts about fraud, trickery, and defending the poor USC, put yourself in someone else's shoes and walk a mile in it. Maybe it will change your perspective on things. The USC is not always the noble party.

[Magnolia31 0]

Hello all! I posted on this forum a few months back about a person I knew who has his conditional green card, but whose wife constantly ups the stakes and insists that he plays by her rules or she will not file his Removal of Conditions paperwork for him. At this point, she demands all his money earned from work, refuses to give him any spending money, and charges him for things such as car insurance, phone bills, etc. He has had about all he can take and would rather return to his home country than lie down and take this treatment anymore. The wife has insisted on a year-long separation with an eventual divorce, but, at this point, I believe he would rather divorce and just return home.

My question is this: Is there an alternative route for him? If he could somehow qualify for a waiver of the I-751 joint filing requirement (ie, by obtaining divorce decree), what evidence would he need to present? Before she destroyed a bunch of evidence, he managed to take about 5 months worth of bank account statements (mind you, his name is on the joint account, but she refuses to give him a debit card), 2 years of jointly filed tax returns, proof of health insurance with him as the beneficiary, car insurance, title to a car purchased jointly in his/her name, phone bill in her name but listing his number as part of the same plan, and bills showing that both reside at the same address. He does not have an apartment lease or deed with his name on the title, as she purchased a house (paid in full) before she sponsored him to America. If push comes to shove, does he have a fighting chance with USCIS? How difficult is this process? Please, any advice would be extremely helpful.

Sorry that I do not have an answer for you, but she sounds like a total control freak. This tune sounds so familiar to me! I'm married to a control freak who uses the visa against me when things don't go his way. So sad.

Edited June 2, 2009 by Magnolia31