Texan put to death in nation’s first execution of '09

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its also not uncommon for prosecutors to trump up the charges against people. Happened to a friend's 18 y/o son a few years back, who found himself in the frame for a 1st degree rape charge (15 yrs to life) after he and his 17 y/o gf had a falling out over some naked pictures of her that he had on a phone. The prosecutor tried to make the case that he was blackmailing her into sex.

Got to the point that the girl couldn't retract the charges and they had to get married to "close" the case.

[alienlovechild 75]

It isn't, no - but there are ambitious, lazy or incompetent prosecutors who would rather "someone" be in the frame, rather than the right person and risk having an open, unsolved murder on their hands.

You watch you too many crime TV shows or have read too many Sherlock Holme's stories. Unsolved murders aren't rare and there must not be a lot of pressure to convict somebody for the crime because trend for decades has been a greater likelihood to literally get away with murder.

"FBI figures also show that the percentage of murder cases handed over to prosecutors or closed by other means such as the death of the suspect, denial of extradition or other extraordinary circumstances that prevent arrest and prosecution has dropped nationwide. What police call the "homicide clearance rate" has slipped from 91 percent in 1963 — the first year records were kept in the manner they are now — to 61 percent in 2007, The Associated Press reported this month."

"The number of homicides committed in the U.S. climbed from 4,566 in 1963 to 14,811 in 2007, the FBI reported. The clearance rate has dropped fairly steadily over the past four decades, slipping under 80 percent in the early 1970s and below 70 percent in the late 1980s."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../NEWS/812210332

[john & jean 37]

i'm afraid to ask what kinda meal this guy is eating now

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=171208

mmm MMM GOOD, EYEBALL SOUP???

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

i'm afraid to ask what kinda meal this guy is eating now

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=171208

mmm MMM GOOD, EYEBALL SOUP???

with a side of fried cellmate.

[john & jean 37]

i'm afraid to ask what kinda meal this guy is eating now

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=171208

mmm MMM GOOD, EYEBALL SOUP???

with a side of fried cellmate.

YEAH: well done no doubt...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It isn't, no - but there are ambitious, lazy or incompetent prosecutors who would rather "someone" be in the frame, rather than the right person and risk having an open, unsolved murder on their hands.

You watch you too many crime TV shows or have read too many Sherlock Holme's stories. Unsolved murders aren't rare and there must not be a lot of pressure to convict somebody for the crime because trend for decades has been a greater likelihood to literally get away with murder.

"FBI figures also show that the percentage of murder cases handed over to prosecutors or closed by other means such as the death of the suspect, denial of extradition or other extraordinary circumstances that prevent arrest and prosecution has dropped nationwide. What police call the "homicide clearance rate" has slipped from 91 percent in 1963 — the first year records were kept in the manner they are now — to 61 percent in 2007, The Associated Press reported this month."

"The number of homicides committed in the U.S. climbed from 4,566 in 1963 to 14,811 in 2007, the FBI reported. The clearance rate has dropped fairly steadily over the past four decades, slipping under 80 percent in the early 1970s and below 70 percent in the late 1980s."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../NEWS/812210332

The problem of course is that Death Row inmates often committed their crimes decades ago, essentially meaning that the case is nigh-unsolvable.

[alienlovechild 75]

It isn't, no - but there are ambitious, lazy or incompetent prosecutors who would rather "someone" be in the frame, rather than the right person and risk having an open, unsolved murder on their hands.

You watch you too many crime TV shows or have read too many Sherlock Holme's stories. Unsolved murders aren't rare and there must not be a lot of pressure to convict somebody for the crime because trend for decades has been a greater likelihood to literally get away with murder.

"FBI figures also show that the percentage of murder cases handed over to prosecutors or closed by other means such as the death of the suspect, denial of extradition or other extraordinary circumstances that prevent arrest and prosecution has dropped nationwide. What police call the "homicide clearance rate" has slipped from 91 percent in 1963 — the first year records were kept in the manner they are now — to 61 percent in 2007, The Associated Press reported this month."

"The number of homicides committed in the U.S. climbed from 4,566 in 1963 to 14,811 in 2007, the FBI reported. The clearance rate has dropped fairly steadily over the past four decades, slipping under 80 percent in the early 1970s and below 70 percent in the late 1980s."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../NEWS/812210332

The problem of course is that Death Row inmates often committed their crimes decades ago, essentially meaning that the case is nigh-unsolvable.

The stats I used have nothing to do with convicts on death row but with the far greater number of murders with no conviction at all. At least with DNA evidence there's a better chance of proving innocence but even with the CSI technology, your murderer is more likely to get away with according to the stats. I've met a couple of murderers in my time and they aren't worried that the cops will catch them if they hadn't by now.

Edited January 15, 2009 by alienlovechild

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well I was only ever talking about prosecutions, not with the general likelihood of getting away with murder and never being prosecuted in the first place.

[Peikko 1,575]

It isn't, no - but there are ambitious, lazy or incompetent prosecutors who would rather "someone" be in the frame, rather than the right person and risk having an open, unsolved murder on their hands.

You watch you too many crime TV shows or have read too many Sherlock Holme's stories. Unsolved murders aren't rare and there must not be a lot of pressure to convict somebody for the crime because trend for decades has been a greater likelihood to literally get away with murder.

"FBI figures also show that the percentage of murder cases handed over to prosecutors or closed by other means such as the death of the suspect, denial of extradition or other extraordinary circumstances that prevent arrest and prosecution has dropped nationwide. What police call the "homicide clearance rate" has slipped from 91 percent in 1963 — the first year records were kept in the manner they are now — to 61 percent in 2007, The Associated Press reported this month."

"The number of homicides committed in the U.S. climbed from 4,566 in 1963 to 14,811 in 2007, the FBI reported. The clearance rate has dropped fairly steadily over the past four decades, slipping under 80 percent in the early 1970s and below 70 percent in the late 1980s."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../NEWS/812210332

The problem of course is that Death Row inmates often committed their crimes decades ago, essentially meaning that the case is nigh-unsolvable.

The stats I used have nothing to do with convicts on death row but with the far greater number of murders with no conviction at all. At least with DNA evidence there's a better chance of proving innocence but even with the CSI technology, your murderer is more likely to get away with according to the stats. I've met a couple of murderers in my time and they aren't worried that the cops will catch them if they hadn't by now.

What kind of people do you hang around with? I can safely say that I have never 'met' anyone who has confessed to harming someone else, much less murdering them. Of course, I could hang around with a bunch of hypocrites. Needless to say this is once again a game of projection based on anecdotal evidence. We have no clue how many murderers get away with their crimes. What we do know is that if you are poor and dare I say it, not white, you stand disproportionately high chance of getting fried (as you guys so charmingly term it). But, who cares so long as justice is seen to be done?

[Danno 1,228]

It isn't, no - but there are ambitious, lazy or incompetent prosecutors who would rather "someone" be in the frame, rather than the right person and risk having an open, unsolved murder on their hands.

You watch you too many crime TV shows or have read too many Sherlock Holme's stories. Unsolved murders aren't rare and there must not be a lot of pressure to convict somebody for the crime because trend for decades has been a greater likelihood to literally get away with murder.

"FBI figures also show that the percentage of murder cases handed over to prosecutors or closed by other means such as the death of the suspect, denial of extradition or other extraordinary circumstances that prevent arrest and prosecution has dropped nationwide. What police call the "homicide clearance rate" has slipped from 91 percent in 1963 — the first year records were kept in the manner they are now — to 61 percent in 2007, The Associated Press reported this month."

"The number of homicides committed in the U.S. climbed from 4,566 in 1963 to 14,811 in 2007, the FBI reported. The clearance rate has dropped fairly steadily over the past four decades, slipping under 80 percent in the early 1970s and below 70 percent in the late 1980s."

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a.../NEWS/812210332

The problem of course is that Death Row inmates often committed their crimes decades ago, essentially meaning that the case is nigh-unsolvable.

The stats I used have nothing to do with convicts on death row but with the far greater number of murders with no conviction at all. At least with DNA evidence there's a better chance of proving innocence but even with the CSI technology, your murderer is more likely to get away with according to the stats. I've met a couple of murderers in my time and they aren't worried that the cops will catch them if they hadn't by now.

What kind of people do you hang around with? I can safely say that I have never 'met' anyone who has confessed to harming someone else, much less murdering them. Of course, I could hang around with a bunch of hypocrites. Needless to say this is once again a game of projection based on anecdotal evidence. We have no clue how many murderers get away with their crimes. What we do know is that if you are poor and dare I say it, not white, you stand disproportionately high chance of getting fried (as you guys so charmingly term it). But, who cares so long as justice is seen to be done?

Are you serious... you have never even "met" someone who has killed or harmed someone?

I don't say this to poke at you but you must be living in a small circle of people.

I can now better understand your take on things.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You know a few murderers do you Danno?

[Peikko 1,575]

No, I have never met anyone who has discussed their seriously harming (physically) or killing people. As for your presumptions about my life based on this post - that's entirely up to you. Doesn't make it true though

I don't think giving someone a bloody nose counts, do you?

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

What kind of people do you hang around with? I can safely say that I have never 'met' anyone who has confessed to harming someone else, much less murdering them. Of course, I could hang around with a bunch of hypocrites. Needless to say this is once again a game of projection based on anecdotal evidence. We have no clue how many murderers get away with their crimes. What we do know is that if you are poor and dare I say it, not white, you stand disproportionately high chance of getting fried (as you guys so charmingly term it). But, who cares so long as justice is seen to be done?

i used to hang out with what you'd call murderers all the time....

[Peikko 1,575]

What kind of people do you hang around with? I can safely say that I have never 'met' anyone who has confessed to harming someone else, much less murdering them. Of course, I could hang around with a bunch of hypocrites. Needless to say this is once again a game of projection based on anecdotal evidence. We have no clue how many murderers get away with their crimes. What we do know is that if you are poor and dare I say it, not white, you stand disproportionately high chance of getting fried (as you guys so charmingly term it). But, who cares so long as justice is seen to be done?

i used to hang out with what you'd call murderers all the time....

Ah, more presumptions about what I think. Love it Charles, thanks. I can probably stop posting seeing as everyone is so good at predicting my thoughts

Nice derail into insignificance at the same time, gotta love it.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

What kind of people do you hang around with? I can safely say that I have never 'met' anyone who has confessed to harming someone else, much less murdering them. Of course, I could hang around with a bunch of hypocrites. Needless to say this is once again a game of projection based on anecdotal evidence. We have no clue how many murderers get away with their crimes. What we do know is that if you are poor and dare I say it, not white, you stand disproportionately high chance of getting fried (as you guys so charmingly term it). But, who cares so long as justice is seen to be done?

i used to hang out with what you'd call murderers all the time....

Ah, more presumptions about what I think. Love it Charles, thanks. I can probably stop posting seeing as everyone is so good at predicting my thoughts

Nice derail into insignificance at the same time, gotta love it.

what, you're not gonna bash me for the company i keep?

maybe you see this one coming, eh?