Zarqawi Killed In Air Raid

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

continue how it's the fault of europe too. i need some entertainment. work is boring.

Unless you have anything to say to rebutt what I'm saying, there's not much else to say really.

fishdude is at a loss for words? i'll mark today on my calendar

i'm just interested in how you came to that conclusion, about it being europe's fault too.

[slim 1,533]

How about European colonization of just about everywhere in the Middle East, Africa, and South-East Asia? If you don't think that had SOMETHING to do with it.... you are dead wrong!

As far as beheadings not doing anything militarily for the terrorists' cause... are we not debating the significance of it right now? That, in itself served it's purpose.

For my personal choice, beheaded or blown to smithereens.... it would depend on the situation. If I'm just doing my average, everyday, run-of-the-mill terror attack planning, sure, I'll take the US bombs dropped on my safehouse from the F-16. I'm instantly shaheed and everyone with a dish and Al-Jazeera will know about it. However, if I'm just starting out, or I'm attempting to draw sympathy to my cause, or I'm trying to show others that I'm a "real man" I'll go ahead and take the head chopping. (Why did William Wallace choose to be silent until the very end?) However, since I'm sitting here, fat, dumb, and happy in the US, I'll take death by BJ. Not avoiding the question, just stating that I have about 0% chance of being beheaded or bombed. Hopefully the BJ thing is about 50/50!

And to all the posters saying "I can't believe you guys are defending the terrorists and making a case for their side." No one is. We are however, trying to relate the "humane killing" the US is doing to the "inhumane killing" the "terrorists" are doing.

[dalegg 143]

However, since I'm sitting here, fat, dumb, and happy in the US, I'll take death by BJ. Not avoiding the question, just stating that I have about 0% chance of being beheaded or bombed. Hopefully the BJ thing is about 50/50!

I have to think that towards the end of this ritual it's going to get pretty violent down there if it's going to cause death, so I think I'd rather be beheaded Above the shoulders.

[slim 1,533]

I'm hoping "death by BJ" isn't actually caused by the BJ, but by maybe a heart attack or something like that.

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

How about European colonization of just about everywhere in the Middle East, Africa, and South-East Asia? If you don't think that had SOMETHING to do with it.... you are dead wrong!

i was wanting him to qualify this statement:

"I wouldn't say the root of this problem is in the religion of Islam, but in the fact that many of these countries are still dealing with the results of political instability that goes back many years, instability that has been perpetuated artificially (in recent decades) by US and European imperialism."

specifically, the part about "recent decades" and by whom

[ual777 0]

Looks like a leftist conspiricy website to me thus it is NOT a valid source. I see 2 pictures and a bunch of nice bomb making materials in a tiled room with a computer in the background.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/ENGLISH/?id=14566

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle...n=theworld&col=

These two RELIABLE sources think differently.

How do you decide which sources are reliable and which are conspiracy sites? Obviously the mainstream doesn`t tell the truth 100% of the time. You don`t think it does do you?

As far as special operations go, my uncle was in special operations as well as the FBI and 2 of my best friends are in Spec Ops. One is intel and one is operations.

So how come you know nothing of the kind of special operations that are involved in special operations?

Your statements are baseless because they defy logic. What you are stating is that the Americans are behind the insurgency. That is BASELESS and ILLOGICAL.

Again please use examples otherwise you are simply flaming me as it were.

My military statements are NOT weak because I stated the duties of a soldier, and you yourself said they are contradictory, and that you didnt understand my point of view. You dont get it because you dont know what it is like to be a soldier. Clear enough?

Sorry but you are not clear. What exactly are you referring to?

BTW what is that last comment "Also in your case 'marines' (BTW its capitalized) won't kill other Americans a lot of the time they dont have to as the deaths are more often than not civilian deaths" mean?

I mean simply that a lot of these "suicide attacks" actually kill civillians and therefore your "marines would not kill other marines" statement is really not the point. I do wonder however what kind o fperson can murder human beings but not "american" human beings. Very odd.

Finally, seeing one thing, and applying it to other things is called "comparison and reasoning."

comparisons are fine but as i said not really relevant directly.

Thanks for playing.

This is not a game. I know you want to fight and win here but i am simply stating my views. i am not sure why you have this need to "beat" me but i don`t think you have beaten me as the losers here are human beings dying(on both sides).

So thanks for trying to make it a game about YOU.

Yabasta, you posted an article from a BLOG site. A CONSPIRACY blog site at that. Therefore it is UNRELIABLE, when every other news site I looked at, including arab ones, said differenty.

To be honest, I know ALOT about special ops. They are ususally EXTREMELY dangerous in nature and they are highly secretive in nature to protect the soldiers involved. For example, my boss who I mentioned earlier with the Silver Star, 2 Bronze Star, and 3 Purple Hearts, was in spec. ops. in Vietnam with the Marine Corps. 90% of the guys in his unit went home in body bags, and he has told me stories that have made the hair on my head stand up.

I worked with Special Operations in the USMC and I know what they do and how they do it. What makes you such the expert? You apparently think there is more going on than there really is, and then you question me on what I say, when you have NO experience on the issue.

Further, I will say this one more time, SAYING THAT THE COALITION IS BEHIND THE TERRORIST ATTACKS IS BASELESS AND ILLOGICAL! I have shown that 'article' you posted was wrong, and yet you still carry on about it.

Continuing, Marines do not purposly murder civilians (in general), and the ones that do get punished. That is the HUGE difference between our military and the insurgents, as I posted about 20 pages ago.

Comparisons are SO very vital to the conversation because history repeats itself, and past comparisons allow you to recognize and react to the situation at hand.

Finally, I don't get your whole 'game' comment, but when I post a number or a little-known fact, I post a reliable source.

I found the contents of that link SO off-base and moronic, I felt the need to sit on a tarp in the back yard in case my head exploded...

THAT is why I said thanks for playing. The thing I'm not getting Yabasta is that you CONTINAULY question me about what I know in the military, I answer, then you say 'why do you know nothing?" WHAT DO YOU KNOW? Because so far, it appears that you are a conspiracy theorist with no real solution, no evidence, and just flame-baiting. Please prove me wrong.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

And to all the posters saying "I can't believe you guys are defending the terrorists and making a case for their side." No one is. We are however, trying to relate the "humane killing" the US is doing to the "inhumane killing" the "terrorists" are doing.

“A liberal is a man too broad-minded to take his own side in a quarrel.”

Robert Frost

[mawilson 2,133]

Please give me an example of an "innocent person" who was beheaded.

Ken Bigley.

[mawilson 2,133]

The much-cited "Berg beheading" video is a fraud.

Yah, really. And the pictures of the 10-year-old girl weeping beside the body of her

dead father killed by Israeli shells on a Gaza beach were all an act. Israel didn't

really fire any shells that day, it was a Palestinian conspiracy to discredit the Jewish

state.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

The much-cited "Berg beheading" video is a fraud.

Yah, really. And the pictures of the 10-year-old girl weeping beside the body of her

dead father killed by Israeli shells on a Gaza beach were all an act. Israel didn't

really fire any shells that day, it was a Palestinian conspiracy to discredit the Jewish

state.

The incident on the beach in Gaza has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Instead, why don't you respond to what I actually wrote about the Berg video ? Or better yet, make an attempt to explain why it's possible for a living person to not bleed when having his head cut off ?

[mawilson 2,133]

Instead, why don't you respond to what I actually wrote about the Berg video ? Or better yet, make an attempt to explain why it's possible for a living person to not bleed when having his head cut off ?

No idea. Low blood pressure?

[yabasta 0]

Yabasta, you posted an article from a BLOG site. A CONSPIRACY blog site at that. Therefore it is UNRELIABLE, when every other news site I looked at, including arab ones, said differenty.

The links on that blog site were mainstream media. The fact that you dismissed the page it was from(just a googled page to introduce the case to you) simply because it was a blog site shows your bias against blog sites as news. Mainstream media is more trusted by people but mainstream media is also much more controlled. If you are going to attack the source rather than the content then you have no argument.

If you know so much about special operations and black ops etc then surely you appreciate that such operations go on.

Further, I will say this one more time, SAYING THAT THE COALITION IS BEHIND THE TERRORIST ATTACKS IS BASELESS AND ILLOGICAL! I have shown that 'article' you posted was wrong, and yet you still carry on about it.

You have not shown anything to say the article was wrong other than your view of the source. Attacking the source as i said is weak and baseless not the article which has both base and logic that i sobvious to anybody that understands warfare.

Continuing, Marines do not purposly murder civilians (in general), and the ones that do get punished. That is the HUGE difference between our military and the insurgents, as I posted about 20 pages ago.

You provide no credible evidence to support your wild claim. How can you launch a missile or a bomb in a city without killing civillians?

Finally, I don't get your whole 'game' comment, but when I post a number or a little-known fact, I post a reliable source.

My game comment was a response to your game comment. Your treatment of the situation is casual and juvenile. You treat me with zero respect and act as if you are somehow superior. This is a weakness in you.

I found the contents of that link SO off-base and moronic, I felt the need to sit on a tarp in the back yard in case my head exploded...

Which actually makes you sound moronic but to each his own.

THAT is why I said thanks for playing. The thing I'm not getting Yabasta is that you CONTINAULY question me about what I know in the military,

I questioned you once from what i recall, twice tops. hardly continually. My point was that you seem to show no understanding of such operations. Operations which incidentally have been declassified etc.

WHAT DO YOU KNOW? Because so far, it appears that you are a conspiracy theorist with no real solution, no evidence, and just flame-baiting. Please prove me wrong.

How very original. Name calling shock. I shall simply tell you this. History is distorted by those who control history. If you read about events of the past you will learn that new information comes out and different perspectives do exist. You can learn that World War 1 started due to the death of one man which is simply not believable to any sensible person. You can learn of coporate control of mainstream media and government censorship and even going so far as paying for news articles to be written for them.

How is it flame baiting to simply offer you a different angle? You can`t claim to know anything unless you have explored all angles.

Attacking my credibility by calling me a conspiracy theorist is very lame and sadly common amongst people who simply won`t debate with me fairly. You attack my character and then ridicule me and claim that i was the one antagonising.

How can i porve you wrong when you do not accept the source? I can`t make a "trusted media outlet" cover the real news. I can`t stop journalists taking the soft embed option.

You have offered no other explanation for 2 SAS men to be there. What were they doing if not acting covertly?

[dalegg 143]

Or better yet, make an attempt to explain why it's possible for a living person to not bleed when having his head cut off ?

Just got back from a web-surfing exbedtion on this subject and wow! Turns out this whole faking of the video claim has been going on for a couple of years- apparantly since the video was released. Never heard of this controversy before. One thing I find consistent in these sites though is that almost nobody claiming the video is fake says the person is not bleeding at all. They are saying it doesn't bleed enough, so I think they agree with me that you do see blood in the video.

Looking back to these posts made in 2004, one reason for citing the video is fake is that it couldn't be Zarqawi in the video because "as reported by the CIA, Zarqawi is already dead"

I wonder what people who post these things think a couple years later now when Zarqawi is actually killed? Are we going to find out that Zarqawi's body was on ice for a couple years? I cannot wait.

[yabasta 0]

Looking back to these posts made in 2004, one reason for citing the video is fake is that it couldn't be Zarqawi in the video because "as reported by the CIA, Zarqawi is already dead"

I wonder what people who post these things think a couple years later now when Zarqawi is actually killed? Are we going to find out that Zarqawi's body was on ice for a couple years? I cannot wait.

Well the picture they showed could have been old since we have never really been presented with real facts or at least nothign that could not be faked if they so desired.

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

face it, life is a conspiracy