Zarqawi Killed In Air Raid

[jen&darcy 0]

I just want to say you only see what the media wants you to see. Do you really know what is going on in Iraq or around the world? Unless you live there or are stationed there you really have no idea.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I just want to say you only see what the media wants you to see. Do you really know what is going on in Iraq or around the world? Unless you live there or are stationed there you really have no idea.

Sure - but as with everything else you have to be selective about which media you accept as truth.

Noone should forget what got us into this mess in the first place - 3 years of trying to pretend that this is something it isn't (and never was) is a little dishonest perhaps?

Edited June 11, 2006 by Fishdude

[yabasta 0]

Even people living in Iraq have media though. Media is controlled and it is used by the state and i believe they have GI t.v. don`t they made especially for those stationed in Iraq. Journalists are more often than not embedded with the military as there escort and bodyguard and that is bound to have an impact on what the journalist sees and how the journalist sees it and reports it.

The Zaqawi story is one straight from military p.r. people. They tell the associated press this is what happened. the press tell the world and the story is then history. There is now no argument about what happened because "reliable sources" have all said the same thing. All we see is rubble and a picture of Zaqawi.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Ok and here is another statistic....

During Saddam's rule he killed between 600,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis and was responsible for the deaths of over 700,000 Iranians and Kuwaitis.

Using the statistical trends prevailent, if Saddam was still in power he would have killed appx. 125,000 people in the same 38 month period of the American occupation.

Ill use the high estimates for the math.

125,000 NUMBER of civilians that would have been killed by Saddam in the period.

- 42,000 TOTAL Civilians killed in Iraq (not just by the U.S.)

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83,000 people saved from Saddam.

You can make all the U.S. babykilling statements you want, but they just arent true.

So, according to your statistic (Saddam would have killed 125K, GWB actually got 42K killed), GWB is "only" 1/3 the criminal, killing azzhole that Saddam was. Thanks. That's good to know. I feel so much better about my government already.

[Ban Hammer 14,272]

All bombing is terrorism.

[slim 1,533]

I called a buddy of mine that's still in the military last night, and we were laughing about how in the government photo of Al-Zarqawi, he looked suspiciously like Uday and Qusay did in their government photos. Same cosmetologist maybe? The make-up looked the same, and despite these men being killed in bombings, they looked to be in pretty good shape.

No propaganda?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I called a buddy of mine that's still in the military last night, and we were laughing about how in the government photo of Al-Zarqawi, he looked suspiciously like Uday and Qusay did in their government photos. Same cosmetologist maybe? The make-up looked the same, and despite these men being killed in bombings, they looked to be in pretty good shape.

No propaganda?

Of course no propaganda. You heard it from the honorable men in the White House yourself: They don't play politics with something as serious as the war on terror. You know they never would do any such thing.

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[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Lets discuss this for a minute.

I will start with your comments about Saddam. The reason there was no insurgency under Saddam was because whoever opposed him was torture and or killed sometimes along with family members, or the family members would be billed for the bullet used to execute the "insurgent".

If you think that Saddam was nice to his people you are sorely mistaken. This is the same man who gassed his own people.

Secondly, in WW2 there WAS a very large insurgency on the eastern front in the battle between the Russians and Germans.

Thirdly there is NO comparison to the revolution of 1776 and the terrorists in Iraq. I do not recall George Washington cutting off General Cornwalis' head after the battle of Yorktown. Furthermore, the overall situation is different because the terrorists are fighting over RELIGION. It is 'great satan' this and 'infidels' that...so saying that Zarqawi is along the same lines as G.Washington or P.Revere is ludacris.

Thirdly, call me a 'sheep' if you like, but terrorists DO need to die.

I will list just a few terror attacks from 2001 to 2003 to give you an idea.

9/11/01 - 19 men hijack 4 aircraft and killed over 1,000 Americans.

9/11/01 - 2 Palestinian gunmen kill 2 policemen at a checkpoint in Israel.

9/21/01 - 29 people are killed and 2000 are wounded in France when an radical islamist blows up a fertilizer plant.

9/23/01 - A 17 year old is beaten with a hammer and stabbed to death by and islamic gang in London.

10/21/01- Seven civilians have their throats slit by islamic radicals in Algeria.

10/21/01 - Hamas car bombers kill 16 people on a bus in Tel Aviv.

10/24/02 - 40 Christians are killed by a mob of muslims in Nigeria

10/26/02 - 129 people are killed in a rescue attempt in Moscow after 800 are taken hostage by Chechnyan muslim radicals.

10/28/02 - American diplomat is killed by 2 al-Qaeda terrorists in Jordan.

10/30/02 - Terrorists murder 8 in Algeria including 4 children.

10/31/02- Islamic radicals murder 20 Christain students at a college in Nigeria.

12/6/02- 4 bombs detonate in 4 different movie theaters in Bangladesh killing 27

12/27/02- Palestinian gunman breaks into a Jewish seminary in Israel killing 4 students who were sitting down to Sabbath dinner.

12/30/02 - Islamic radical kills three American humanitarian workers in Yemen.

1/5/03- 23 people are killed by suicide bombers in Tel Aviv.

1/31/03 - Al-Qaeda landmine blows up a bus killing 18 people in Afghanistan.

4/4/03 - 2 FEMALE car bombers drive up to a U.S. checkpoint in Iraq, scream for help, then kill 3 soldiers rushing to their assitance.

I picked out about 5% of the total list of attacks by islamic radicals. They deliberatly target civilians which the U.S. does not do.

Kill them all I say (the radicals that is). In my mind, the war on terror is one worth fighting. Think before saying something so offensive as George Washington = Zarqawi.

Oh, and BTW, islamic terrorists have carried out more than 5,122 terror attacks around the world since 9/11/2001.

Yup. But the truth will get you nowhere. People like to keep their heads in the sand.

[Ban Hammer 14,272]

Yup. But the truth will get you nowhere. People like to keep their heads in the sand.

oh no, we need to appease them terrorists some more, don't you know? let's apologize some more!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

9/11/01 - 19 men hijack 4 aircraft and killed over 1,000 Americans.

9/11/01 - 2 Palestinian gunmen kill 2 policemen at a checkpoint in Israel.

9/21/01 - 29 people are killed and 2000 are wounded in France when an radical islamist blows up a fertilizer plant.

9/23/01 - A 17 year old is beaten with a hammer and stabbed to death by and islamic gang in London.

10/21/01- Seven civilians have their throats slit by islamic radicals in Algeria.

10/21/01 - Hamas car bombers kill 16 people on a bus in Tel Aviv.

10/24/02 - 40 Christians are killed by a mob of muslims in Nigeria

10/26/02 - 129 people are killed in a rescue attempt in Moscow after 800 are taken hostage by Chechnyan muslim radicals.

10/28/02 - American diplomat is killed by 2 al-Qaeda terrorists in Jordan.

10/30/02 - Terrorists murder 8 in Algeria including 4 children.

10/31/02- Islamic radicals murder 20 Christain students at a college in Nigeria.

12/6/02- 4 bombs detonate in 4 different movie theaters in Bangladesh killing 27

12/27/02- Palestinian gunman breaks into a Jewish seminary in Israel killing 4 students who were sitting down to Sabbath dinner.

12/30/02 - Islamic radical kills three American humanitarian workers in Yemen.

1/5/03- 23 people are killed by suicide bombers in Tel Aviv.

1/31/03 - Al-Qaeda landmine blows up a bus killing 18 people in Afghanistan.

Yup. But the truth will get you nowhere. People like to keep their heads in the sand.

Excuse my asking but what does any of this have to do with the Iraqi civilians killed by us and due to our illegal invasion into that country? Just curious.

Edited June 11, 2006 by ET-US2004

[slim 1,533]

UAL and others, those figures for death under Saddam that you've posted on here are for all deaths during the Iran-Iraq war, and the Kuwait invasion. (Not to mention crushing the Kurdish uprisings.)

If you count those as "deaths under Saddam" then you must count all deaths in Iraq now under George Bush. (Or, I guess since you're on the flip side, you can still count those under Saddam too, after all, he was the one who "started" the war by being so bad.)

[yabasta 0]

All bombing is terrorism.

You really are not good with words are you?

or quotes

ONE MORE TIME

[ quote ] text you wish to quote followed by [ / quote ]

No Spaces.

and yes

ALL BOMBING IS TERRORISM

Terrorism

is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."

[slim 1,533]

So by the DOD's very own definition, the invasion of Iraq makes everyone in the DOD who is stationed there.... a "terrorist."

[Ban Hammer 14,272]

All bombing is terrorism.

You really are not good with words are you?

or quotes

ONE MORE TIME

[ quote ] text you wish to quote followed by [ / quote ]

No Spaces.

and yes

ALL BOMBING IS TERRORISM

Terrorism

is defined by the US Department of Defense as "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."

i think i'm quite good with words. i'm just enjoying such broadbrush statements like that you made keep them rolling

[dalegg 143]

That's like me breaking into your home to take care of some messy business simply because I feel it is better to mess up your house than mine. Whether you agree with it or whether I have any right to do so doesn't matter. I am bigger and stronger than you and, thus, I am going to ** up your place to keep mine neat and clean. I'm sure you'd consider me your best friend going forward...

And I think that would be an acceptable option if If the mess in your home included mold that was growing out of control and if I didn't clean up your house the mold would eventually come over to my house. But again- before I cleaned your house it would have to be on the condition that I was 100% sure the mold was coming to my house.