Protecting humanity from homosexuality is as important as protecting the rainforest

[Fandango 1,440]

Lisa, the Church's history over homosexuality and it's teachings are complex. For example, my father, who is an ordained Deacon for over 30 years, pondered in a conversation with me one time, whether at some point in the future, the Catholic Church would eventually bless gay marriages. The Church has struggled with the notion that on one hand, it believes that homosexuality itself is not a sin, but on the other hand, homosexual activity is. If one took that further though - so is all sexual activity outside of marriage. So what does the Church do about gay monogamous couples who remain faithful all their lives? Is that a sin? What is sin? Turning away from God? These are difficult questions for the Church to grapple with.

Hi that has sweet fa with anything I said. I'm just trying to show you that you seem to be riding both sides of this fence with what you're 'Amen'ing....

As an aside, I do find it strange that you actually excluded 'the Church does great things' bit from what you were agreeing with. But whatev.

I'll try to be more careful with my 'Amens' then.

Well if you 'Amen' something that directly conflicts with everything you previously said....it's probs a good thing.

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Haleluya, couldn't have said it better. Great analogy!!!

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AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, well unless you are trying to say you think both are sin(doubt you are), or neither. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

I know where you are coming from on this, Stina and I totally understand your POV, though I don't agree with it. But my reasons are based on growing up with a gay brother. It was clear from early on that this was not a "choice" he made. In fact, he tried to deny it and was married to a woman for 5 years. He has been with his current partner for going on 13 years now and they have a stronger relationship than many heterosexual couples I know. He didn't make the choice, he was born this way.

It does go against my religious upbringing, but I cannot deny what I feel in my heart to be true - my brother did not "choose" this life. It is as fundamentally a part of him as his other genetic characteristics. I know many will disagree with me and wonder how I can be a practicing Catholic and still believe this, but I do.

[Fandango 1,440]

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, well unless you are trying to say you think both are sin(doubt you are), or neither. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

I know where you are coming from on this, Stina and I totally understand your POV, though I don't agree with it. But my reasons are based on growing up with a gay brother. It was clear from early on that this was not a "choice" he made. In fact, he tried to deny it and was married to a woman for 5 years. He has been with his current partner for going on 13 years now and they have a stronger relationship than many heterosexual couples I know. He didn't make the choice, he was born this way.

It does go against my religious upbringing, but I cannot deny what I feel in my heart to be true - my brother did not "choose" this life. It is as fundamentally a part of him as his other genetic characteristics. I know many will disagree with me and wonder how I can be a practicing Catholic and still believe this, but I do.

I completely understand and have struggled with my own views of my faith vs. how I personally feel it's not a choice to be gay.

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I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

The Pope is on your side.

You're in good company. He is, unlike all the pontificators on this thread, da freakin' Pope!

I don't care about the Pope

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

Come on, Stina...let's debate!

Seriously though, I thought that for most evangelicals, a sin is a sin is a sin, in the eyes of God? You believe someone who is in homosexual relationship is committing more of sin than a heterosexual couple who live together?

No, I don't think it's more sin than any couple having sex outside of marriage or an affair...I think I worded it wrong. But I know me thinking it's some form of sin is controversial.

[chri'stina 190]

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, well unless you are trying to say you think both are sin(doubt you are), or neither. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

I know where you are coming from on this, Stina and I totally understand your POV, though I don't agree with it. But my reasons are based on growing up with a gay brother. It was clear from early on that this was not a "choice" he made. In fact, he tried to deny it and was married to a woman for 5 years. He has been with his current partner for going on 13 years now and they have a stronger relationship than many heterosexual couples I know. He didn't make the choice, he was born this way.

It does go against my religious upbringing, but I cannot deny what I feel in my heart to be true - my brother did not "choose" this life. It is as fundamentally a part of him as his other genetic characteristics. I know many will disagree with me and wonder how I can be a practicing Catholic and still believe this, but I do.

I won't debate the choice/born with issue because I do see that for some it is a tendency from an early age. I have a long time friend who is a lesbian though I think for her she was around people who got her into it. But my question would be, if that was an okay way to live, why does the Bible prohibit man sleeping with man and woman sleeping with woman? As a Christian I have to think about that.

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I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

The Pope is on your side.

You're in good company. He is, unlike all the pontificators on this thread, da freakin' Pope!

I don't care about the Pope

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

Come on, Stina...let's debate!

Seriously though, I thought that for most evangelicals, a sin is a sin is a sin, in the eyes of God? You believe someone who is in homosexual relationship is committing more of sin than a heterosexual couple who live together?

No, I don't think it's more sin than any couple having sex outside of marriage or an affair...I think I worded it wrong. But I know me thinking it's some form of sin is controversial.

Oh darn...I was hoping to have an all out, theological debate with you. j/k

[chri'stina 190]

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

The Pope is on your side.

You're in good company. He is, unlike all the pontificators on this thread, da freakin' Pope!

I don't care about the Pope

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

Come on, Stina...let's debate!

Seriously though, I thought that for most evangelicals, a sin is a sin is a sin, in the eyes of God? You believe someone who is in homosexual relationship is committing more of sin than a heterosexual couple who live together?

No, I don't think it's more sin than any couple having sex outside of marriage or an affair...I think I worded it wrong. But I know me thinking it's some form of sin is controversial.

Oh darn...I was hoping to have an all out, theological debate with you. j/k

I know, me too!

[HAL 9000 96]

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, well unless you are trying to say you think both are sin(doubt you are), or neither. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

I know where you are coming from on this, Stina and I totally understand your POV, though I don't agree with it. But my reasons are based on growing up with a gay brother. It was clear from early on that this was not a "choice" he made. In fact, he tried to deny it and was married to a woman for 5 years. He has been with his current partner for going on 13 years now and they have a stronger relationship than many heterosexual couples I know. He didn't make the choice, he was born this way.

It does go against my religious upbringing, but I cannot deny what I feel in my heart to be true - my brother did not "choose" this life. It is as fundamentally a part of him as his other genetic characteristics. I know many will disagree with me and wonder how I can be a practicing Catholic and still believe this, but I do.

There yo go!

Again... its the difference between walking the walk and talking the talk.

[chri'stina 190]

AJ, I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, so I cannot believe it's a sin.

And I would take it further to say that homosexual activity is no more a sin than any consensual sexual activity between two adults who are not married - that would be consistent with the Catholic viewpoint, IMO.

I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, well unless you are trying to say you think both are sin(doubt you are), or neither. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

I know where you are coming from on this, Stina and I totally understand your POV, though I don't agree with it. But my reasons are based on growing up with a gay brother. It was clear from early on that this was not a "choice" he made. In fact, he tried to deny it and was married to a woman for 5 years. He has been with his current partner for going on 13 years now and they have a stronger relationship than many heterosexual couples I know. He didn't make the choice, he was born this way.

It does go against my religious upbringing, but I cannot deny what I feel in my heart to be true - my brother did not "choose" this life. It is as fundamentally a part of him as his other genetic characteristics. I know many will disagree with me and wonder how I can be a practicing Catholic and still believe this, but I do.

There yo go!

Again... its the difference between walking the walk and talking the talk.

Are you saying I haven't walked the walk?

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I don't intend to start a debate because we both know pretty much where we stand. But I, as a labeled "fundamentalist", don't agree with what you are saying in the quote, not only about homosexual activity but adult consensual activity outside of marriage and know it's a controversial view I have because it's not popular. I think the bible makes these issues crystal clear. If people ignore that, fine. I am not going to.

The Pope is on your side.

You're in good company. He is, unlike all the pontificators on this thread, da freakin' Pope!

Who needs the Pope when you have...

The Bishop!

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If this is true, this pope sucks! Bring back JPII!

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