If this video doesnt move you, then nothing ever will!

[danae 0]

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

WHAAAAT? Get real. TWO THOUSAND animals? LOL! How do you figure that?

Maybe if one changed from a shrimp, frog leg and snail diet to purely vegetarian cusine, one could realistically save 2000 animals a year - 2000 shrimps, frogs and snails...

Its not just about the meat consumed as 'meat' though. That is including EVERYTHING. Gelatine, animal fats, bone black, deritives in cosmetics (e.g. allantoin, amylase, castor, collagen, glycerine), derivitives in medicines, leather, down, glue, insulin, isinglass, lactic acid, cheese rennet, silk....the list goes on.

This is not even including those who die in laboratory research.

The figure can neer be known for sure, as shown, the hidden animal uses are everywhere. But you know what- even if it was just ONE animal that didnt have to die because of my choices, that is enough for me.

[Cristy 4]

PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals.

[danae 0]

Lol given, having just re-read my original post I see I got a bit type happy and did make an error- it was to read 200 not 2000! I can see why you were all shocked by that!

my bad

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

Lol given, having just re-read my original post I see I got a bit type happy and did make an error- it was to read 200 not 2000! I can see why you were all shocked by that!

my bad

[Tim and Bethanie 1]

Is the price the billions of animals murdered every year, our earth (which has unbelievable irreversible damage caused by the industies) and of course ourselves pay really worth it?

I am sorry I can not get beyond this being a word used to describe one human taking the life of another. I love my animals but they do not stand before any human. HUMANE, a word within a word, hmm something to think about. If your pooch were to become very ill, would you make the choice to have him humanly put down? With the exception of a human on an artificial breathing machine, it is illegal to do this to another human. There is no comparison of an animals life to that of a humans in my book.

Rape rack? #######! Does this make bulls rapists, the same as the humans with their so called rape racks? Maybe we should rally for equal rights for cows, especially since they can't speak for themselves. Damn bulls running around the pasture jumping on top of those poor defenseless cows, there should be laws against this!

I hope you have never had the misfortune of a close relation being murdered or raped, if you have I am sorry. I would say most persons who have had these circumstances in their life would probably tell you there is no comparison, between what happened to the person they loved and the slaughtering or artificial insemination of livestock!

Back to my turkey and steamed veggies!

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

Rape rack? #######! Does this make bulls rapists, the same as the humans with their so called rape racks? Maybe we should rally for equal rights for cows, especially since they can't speak for themselves. Damn bulls running around the pasture jumping on top of those poor defenseless cows, there should be laws against this!

and here is my prize bull cletus, he's on the sex offender's list

[Tim and Bethanie 1]

Rape rack? #######! Does this make bulls rapists, the same as the humans with their so called rape racks? Maybe we should rally for equal rights for cows, especially since they can't speak for themselves. Damn bulls running around the pasture jumping on top of those poor defenseless cows, there should be laws against this!

and here is my prize bull cletus, he's on the sex offender's list

America's most wanted sex offender, finally caught and behind bars!

[bubba100 0]

For every 100 Burger King's whopper sold last year, one veggie burger was sold

[danae 0]

Rape rack is the term most commonly used by farmers when a cow is ARTIFICIALLY inseminated, lik I said. The Bull has no physical contact in this instance- his sperm is obtained by a human and put by that human into a cow. So no the Bull can not be considered a 'rapist' rather he is also 'raped'.

When you refer to the word 'humane' your point means nothing to me. Yes it contains the word 'human' but it is a word created by the human species. The human world is restrained by the languages we create. For example, are we ever actually able to feel an emotion if we did not have a word to describe that emotion? My point being that 'words' mean very little in nature.

In the same stance, your reference to the fact it is legal to euthanise a non-human animal, but illegal to euthanise a human as an arguement is again flawed. Laws are things in the human world, not in nature and they mean squat to non-human animals. Laws are rarely in direct line with morality, and are changed all the time, so by using the case that it is illegal to euthanise a human in no suggests that in the great scheme of things we are somehow a superior, higher being. We just decided we are.

Furthermore, I am not saying a non-human animal should stand before a human- I never did say that. But I do consider they can be murdered yes of course. Do you have any 'pets'? If a stranger broke into your property and slit the throat of that pet would you not consider that murder?!

[Chuckles 0]

Rape rack is the term most commonly used by farmers when a cow is ARTIFICIALLY inseminated, lik I said. The Bull has no physical contact in this instance- his sperm is obtained by a human and put by that human into a cow. So no the Bull can not be considered a 'rapist' rather he is also 'raped'.

When you refer to the word 'humane' your point means nothing to me. Yes it contains the word 'human' but it is a word created by the human species. The human world is restrained by the languages we create. For example, are we ever actually able to feel an emotion if we did not have a word to describe that emotion? My point being that 'words' mean very little in nature.

In the same stance, your reference to the fact it is legal to euthanise a non-human animal, but illegal to euthanise a human as an arguement is again flawed. Laws are things in the human world, not in nature and they mean squat to non-human animals. Laws are rarely in direct line with morality, and are changed all the time, so by using the case that it is illegal to euthanise a human in no suggests that in the great scheme of things we are somehow a superior, higher being. We just decided we are.

Furthermore, I am not saying a non-human animal should stand before a human- I never did say that. But I do consider they can be murdered yes of course. Do you have any 'pets'? If a stranger broke into your property and slit the throat of that pet would you not consider that murder?!

... and yet you relate a human term RAPE, to what happens to animals. The animals are not phsycially harmed, or for that matter, really know what happened, as bovines do not have the sensitivity there that humans have, and in fact, no other mammal besides humans has a female sexual organ that responds to stimuli. I am sure the Bulls do not mind what is happening to them. It is probably the highlight of their day. So you are guilty of transferring your human sensibilities to animals.

Anyway, its fine and admirable for you to want to save animals and end suffering and all, but sometimes PETA, and maybe yourself, cross the line of logic.

[Cristy 4]

Cows are not pets.

[danae 0]

Rape rack is the term most commonly used by farmers when a cow is ARTIFICIALLY inseminated, lik I said. The Bull has no physical contact in this instance- his sperm is obtained by a human and put by that human into a cow. So no the Bull can not be considered a 'rapist' rather he is also 'raped'.

When you refer to the word 'humane' your point means nothing to me. Yes it contains the word 'human' but it is a word created by the human species. The human world is restrained by the languages we create. For example, are we ever actually able to feel an emotion if we did not have a word to describe that emotion? My point being that 'words' mean very little in nature.

In the same stance, your reference to the fact it is legal to euthanise a non-human animal, but illegal to euthanise a human as an arguement is again flawed. Laws are things in the human world, not in nature and they mean squat to non-human animals. Laws are rarely in direct line with morality, and are changed all the time, so by using the case that it is illegal to euthanise a human in no suggests that in the great scheme of things we are somehow a superior, higher being. We just decided we are.

Furthermore, I am not saying a non-human animal should stand before a human- I never did say that. But I do consider they can be murdered yes of course. Do you have any 'pets'? If a stranger broke into your property and slit the throat of that pet would you not consider that murder?!

... and yet you relate a human term RAPE, to what happens to animals. The animals are not phsycially harmed, or for that matter, really know what happened, as bovines do not have the sensitivity there that humans have, and in fact, no other mammal besides humans has a female sexual organ that responds to stimuli. I am sure the Bulls do not mind what is happening to them. It is probably the highlight of their day. So you are guilty of transferring your human sensibilities to animals.

Anyway, its fine and admirable for you to want to save animals and end suffering and all, but sometimes PETA, and maybe yourself, cross the line of logic.

Actually we can see that female Dolphins and the Bonobo chimpanzee have sexual organs responsive to stimuli. This is demonstrated by their behaviour. A female Bonobo will actively search out sexual gratification in the form of kissing, oral sex, heterosexual sex and homosexual sex even when not in her fertile stage. Unfortunatley we can not know whether a female bovine would do this, as her environment in not a natural one and not conjusive to such behaviours.

How do you know while on a rape rack they are not physically harmed, or dont know whats happening?

My overall point here is that there is little we actually KNOW about any other species- or our own for that matter. Yes a scientific study might tell you one thing, and next week antoher will contradict it. So my philosophy would be, dont do anything that could potentially cause suffering, and you KNOW you havent caused any. Then ones conscience is clear.

[Chuckles 0]

Rape rack is the term most commonly used by farmers when a cow is ARTIFICIALLY inseminated, lik I said. The Bull has no physical contact in this instance- his sperm is obtained by a human and put by that human into a cow. So no the Bull can not be considered a 'rapist' rather he is also 'raped'.

When you refer to the word 'humane' your point means nothing to me. Yes it contains the word 'human' but it is a word created by the human species. The human world is restrained by the languages we create. For example, are we ever actually able to feel an emotion if we did not have a word to describe that emotion? My point being that 'words' mean very little in nature.

In the same stance, your reference to the fact it is legal to euthanise a non-human animal, but illegal to euthanise a human as an arguement is again flawed. Laws are things in the human world, not in nature and they mean squat to non-human animals. Laws are rarely in direct line with morality, and are changed all the time, so by using the case that it is illegal to euthanise a human in no suggests that in the great scheme of things we are somehow a superior, higher being. We just decided we are.

Furthermore, I am not saying a non-human animal should stand before a human- I never did say that. But I do consider they can be murdered yes of course. Do you have any 'pets'? If a stranger broke into your property and slit the throat of that pet would you not consider that murder?!

... and yet you relate a human term RAPE, to what happens to animals. The animals are not phsycially harmed, or for that matter, really know what happened, as bovines do not have the sensitivity there that humans have, and in fact, no other mammal besides humans has a female sexual organ that responds to stimuli. I am sure the Bulls do not mind what is happening to them. It is probably the highlight of their day. So you are guilty of transferring your human sensibilities to animals.

Anyway, its fine and admirable for you to want to save animals and end suffering and all, but sometimes PETA, and maybe yourself, cross the line of logic.

Actually we can see that female Dolphins and the Bonobo chimpanzee have sexual organs responsive to stimuli. This is demonstrated by their behaviour. A female Bonobo will actively search out sexual gratification in the form of kissing, oral sex, heterosexual sex and homosexual sex even when not in her fertile stage. Unfortunatley we can not know whether a female bovine would do this, as her environment in not a natural one and not conjusive to such behaviours.

How do you know while on a rape rack they are not physically harmed, or dont know whats happening?

My overall point here is that there is little we actually KNOW about any other species- or our own for that matter. Yes a scientific study might tell you one thing, and next week antoher will contradict it. So my philosophy would be, dont do anything that could potentially cause suffering, and you KNOW you havent caused any. Then ones conscience is clear.

My aunt is a veternarian, and has been for years. She commited her life to understanding the biology of animal species, and put it in practice for a long time. She is the definition of expert and where I got my information. Dolphins may have a sex drive, but that doesn't give them a #######.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Diverging slightly, having some vegetarian friends, it never ceases to amaze me how while they won't eat meat they will eat these veggie substitutes that are designed to have the meat texture and flavour.

Always thought that was a little weird - they don't want the personal moral consequences of eating the animal, but psychologically at least that's exactly what they're doing.

Its a bit like that fake child porn for pedophiles, featuring adult age, but preteen-looking models. While its not 'real', the fantasy that goes on in their head certainly is.

[Cristy 4]

Dolphins may have a sex drive, but that doesn't give them a #######

This is my new favourite quote.