California State Measure Results

[IAMX 3,055]

To get to SCOTUS, there has to be appeals. If it's overturned in the local courts, it will be appealed to the federal courts. If it's upheld, it will be appealed to the federal courts. This is going to continue happening until SCOTUS hears it, as it directly addresses an issue entirely relevant to the 14th Amendment. Keeping in mind these states ratified it, it means they must uphold it. FFCC is irrelevant in this case.

[IAMX 3,055]

The hell? The 455,000 vote lead the passage of Prop 8 had at 81% has just plummeted 135,000 to 320,000 with 84%.

Now it's the same disparity with 86%..

Edited November 5, 2008 by SRVT

[akdiver 3]

To get to SCOTUS, there has to be appeals. If it's overturned in the local courts, it will be appealed to the federal courts. If it's upheld, it will be appealed to the federal courts.

My dear SRVT - I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you. Why do you treat me like an idiot? You know I understand how the court system works.

This is going to continue happening until SCOTUS hears it, as it directly addresses an issue entirely relevant to the 14th Amendment. Keeping in mind these states ratified it, it means they must uphold it. FFCC is irrelevant in this case.

So many flaws here.

First - SCOTUS does not have to hear the case at all. If it goes through the courts, gets to a federal appeals court, and the prop 8 opponents lose, they can appeal to SCOTUS. However, SCOTUS does not have to hear the case! They decline to hear many, many cases. In fact, they decline to hear more cases than they actually hear. It's only a very small number of case appealed to SCOTUS that actually result in a hearing.

Second - even if SCOTUS does agree to hear the case, it does not mean it will actually uphold the constitution. Sure, that's what it is SUPPOSED to do - but there is ample evidence that SCOTUS will ignore the plain wording of the constitution, or otherwise find some way to fail to uphold it in some way. This is especially true with respect to the 14th Amendment (think Slaughter-House cases). Sure - FFCC, DP, and EPC are all on-point - however, at the end of the day, SCOTUS is free to ignore the constitution - just like POTUS and congress.

So - my question remains, with respect to the first point. In the event they lose in federal appeals court, wow do the prop 8 opponents plan to convince SCOTUS to hear the case? Simply claiming prop 8 violates FFCC, DP, and EPC is not necessarily enough. Other cases have raised these very same issues and have been declined for a hearing. So what is different about prop 8?

Edited November 5, 2008 by akdiver

[IAMX 3,055]

So - my question remains, with respect to the first point. In the event they lose in federal appeals court, wow do the prop 8 opponents plan to convince SCOTUS to hear the case? Simply claiming prop 8 violates FFCC, DP, and EPC is not necessarily enough. Other cases have raised these very same issues and have been declined for a hearing. So what is different about prop 8?

This is going to continue happening until SCOTUS hears it, as it directly addresses an issue entirely relevant to the 14th Amendment. Keeping in mind these states ratified it, it means they must uphold it.

[IAMX 3,055]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

San Francisco measures:

Measure K: A measure decriminalizing prostitution in San Francisco, requiring the city to stop enforcing prostitution laws, and restricting resources to anti-prostitution programs. (Yes 42%, No 58%)

Measure R: An ordinance changing the name of the city-owned Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the George W. Bush Sewage Plant. (Yes 31%, No 69%)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

A real shame the gay marriage proposal was a referendum on bigotry. I don't understand why so many people are so hell-bent on voting against something that doesn't impact them in the slightest. Very sad.

[Ban Hammer 14,614]

it's not looking good for prop 8 in cali.

[웃 910]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

San Francisco measures:

Measure K: A measure decriminalizing prostitution in San Francisco, requiring the city to stop enforcing prostitution laws, and restricting resources to anti-prostitution programs. (Yes 42%, No 58%)

Measure R: An ordinance changing the name of the city-owned Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant to the George W. Bush Sewage Plant. (Yes 31%, No 69%)

Does Cali always have this many propositions? My state (MI) had two:

Proposition 1 - Legalization of medical marijuana (PASSED)

Proposition 2 - Stem cell research (PASSED)

PS: San Fransisco Measure R is hilarious!

Edited November 5, 2008 by thegreatgate

[dalegg 143]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

These are really the kinds of things the new government needs to look closely at.

California favored OBAMA 61-37

People wanted to OUT the current President, but as far as doing a lot of things that he supports:

No on Gay marriage

No on Alternative Fuel vehicles

No on Renewable Energy.

Be careful

[Ban Hammer 14,614]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

These are really the kinds of things the new government needs to look closely at.

California favored OBAMA 61-37

People wanted to OUT the current President, but as far as doing a lot of things that he supports:

No on Gay marriage

No on Alternative Fuel vehicles

No on Renewable Energy.

Be careful

california - the new republicans.

[dalegg 143]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

These are really the kinds of things the new government needs to look closely at.

California favored OBAMA 61-37

People wanted to OUT the current President, but as far as doing a lot of things that he supports:

No on Gay marriage

No on Alternative Fuel vehicles

No on Renewable Energy.

Be careful

california - the new republicans.

Believe it.

[Ban Hammer 14,614]

Going to bed now and I'll wake up surprised if Prop 8 fails.

Right now, the way things are looking with 86% of precincts in:

Proposition 1A - High Speed Rail (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 2 - Treatment of Animals (Yes 63%, No 37%)

Proposition 3 - Children's Hospital Bond (Yes 54%, No 46%)

Proposition 4 - Notification / Abortion (Yes 47%, No 53%)

Proposition 5 - Sentencing Guidelines (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 6 - Law Enforcement Fund (Yes 30%, No 70%)

Proposition 7 - Renewable Energy (Yes 35%, No 65%)

Proposition 8 - Same Sex Marriage Ban (Yes 52%, No 48%)

Proposition 9 - Victim's Rights (Yes 53%, 47%)

Proposition 10 - Alternative Fuel Vehicles (Yes 40%, No 60%)

Proposition 11 - Redistricting (Yes 50%, No 50%) --- Yes leading by razor-thin margin

Proposition 12 - Veterans (Yes 63%, No 37%)

These are really the kinds of things the new government needs to look closely at.

California favored OBAMA 61-37

People wanted to OUT the current President, but as far as doing a lot of things that he supports:

No on Gay marriage

No on Alternative Fuel vehicles

No on Renewable Energy.

Be careful

california - the new republicans.

Believe it.

how are we gonna break this news to steven?

[Sister Fracas 5]

That's just sad for Prop 8.

Can't believe there are so many people that are threatened by gay marriage, in this day and age...

[Peikko 1,575]

I don't think there are, not honestly. I think they believed the negative ads which is a shame. Teaching gay marriage in school and all that malarky. I guess more energy will have to be wasted on this.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think there are, not honestly. I think they believed the negative ads which is a shame. Teaching gay marriage in school and all that malarky. I guess more energy will have to be wasted on this.

I had a conversation with my Republican MIL and a family friend about this the other day. I have to confess I still don't understand their objection to it - other than that they disagree with gay rights parades and the gayness somehow being flaunted in their faces.

What I did get from it is that while they are not opposed to people's sexual practices behind closed doors they aren't up for gays receiving rights pertaining to married couples or for the use of the word marriage being applied in regard to those relationships.

That's just sad for Prop 8.

Can't believe there are so many people that are threatened by gay marriage, in this day and age...

It is sad - I'm just not sure I understand why this is an issue that requires a democratic referendum. Can we not call out prejudice and discrimination without resorting to a popular vote to validate it?