Obama's Tax Plan and the Plumber

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Point out registration requirements. These are VOTING requirements for everyone. Show me a state that hands an absentee ballot to a first time voter without ID and likely some secondary form of proof. Fail yet again.

You refuse to indulge the reality of the laws and how they are subverted, which is why there are continuing court cases about how to vote and what ID is required. All you hae done is talk, but have provided nothing to back up your points other than wishful thinking. That is your failure.

Strange, because with your assertions, you could have at least shown how Mickey Mouse could vote.

Can anyone here suggest VW showed them how? VW apparently is in denial.

Do more than talk. Support your claims that first time voters CANNOT vote more than once.

[IAMX 3,055]

Point out registration requirements. These are VOTING requirements for everyone. Show me a state that hands an absentee ballot to a first time voter without ID and likely some secondary form of proof. Fail yet again.

You refuse to indulge the reality of the laws and how they are subverted, which is why there are continuing court cases about how to vote and what ID is required. All you hae done is talk, but have provided nothing to back up your points other than wishful thinking. That is your failure.

Strange, because with your assertions, you could have at least shown how Mickey Mouse could vote.

Can anyone here suggest VW showed them how? VW apparently is in denial.

Do more than talk. Support your claims that first time voters CANNOT vote more than once.

It isn't my duty to counter your original claim when you have no proof it's true.

Your claim is that ACORN commits voter fraud by registering fake names, but while it means extra work tossing them out, your assertion that it's voter fraud means that people have fraudulently registered and voted under said fraudulent names. Case in point Mickey Mouse. Since you cannot prove it's true, and are entirely reliant upon me to "disprove it", that's pretty much a euphemism for "I'm spewing ####### I can't back up".

Thanks for playing.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Point out registration requirements. These are VOTING requirements for everyone. Show me a state that hands an absentee ballot to a first time voter without ID and likely some secondary form of proof. Fail yet again.

You refuse to indulge the reality of the laws and how they are subverted, which is why there are continuing court cases about how to vote and what ID is required. All you hae done is talk, but have provided nothing to back up your points other than wishful thinking. That is your failure.

Strange, because with your assertions, you could have at least shown how Mickey Mouse could vote.

Can anyone here suggest VW showed them how? VW apparently is in denial.

Do more than talk. Support your claims that first time voters CANNOT vote more than once.

It isn't my duty to counter your original claim when you have no proof it's true.

Your claim is that ACORN commits voter fraud by registering fake names, but while it means extra work tossing them out, your assertion that it's voter fraud means that people have fraudulently registered and voted under said fraudulent names. Case in point Mickey Mouse. Since you cannot prove it's true, and are entirely reliant upon me to "disprove it", that's pretty much a euphemism for "I'm spewing ####### I can't back up".

Thanks for playing.

You say it CAN'T POSSIBLY be true, which is your ####### that you can't back up. I posted the laws and some court cases to show the concerns that people a whole lot smarter than you have, and all you can do is talk smack. You could make an effort, but you can't, so you don't. You didn't even read what I posted, that's clear.

Those that can't, talk #######. You are so good at that.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Virtual wife

[Teacher Mark 53]

Socialism? Seems like the current regime is the one that is leading us down that path. Google AIG and bank buyout and you'll see what I mean.

[luckytxn 2,263]

I keep hearing about how Obama the Socialist will tax the rich and all but has anyone forgotten that he plans on recinding the prior tax cuts. Those tax cuts also gave tax cuts to middle class. If they are recinded then wouldn't that be taxing the middle class? Of course I did read that it was not a real tax but reinstating a previous tax that was already there. It still sounds like a tax increase on the middle class.

To be fair he did say he may have to wait to recind the tax cuts as the economy was weak now. If it hurts a weak economy then why is a good idea to recind at any other time. Also it has been shown that when taxes are lessened then more revenue flows into the treasury. He was even asked this during the Democratic debates and he seemed stunned and could never really answer with a come back well.

Of course we know the buzz words are being fair and all but a tax is a tax.

Edited October 16, 2008 by luckytxn

[Teacher Mark 53]

I keep hearing about how Obama the Socialist will tax the rich and all but has anyone forgotten that he plans on recinding the prior tax cuts. Those tax cuts also gave tax cuts to middle class. If they are recinded then wouldn't that be taxing the middle class? Of course I did read that it was not a real tax but reinstating a previous tax that was already there. It still sounds like a tax increase on the middle class.

To be fair he did say he may have to wait to recind the tax cuts as the economy was weak now. If it hurts a weak economy then why is a good idea to recind at any other time. Also it has been shown that when taxes are lessened then more revenue flows into the treasury. He was even asked this during the Democratic debates and he seemed stunned and could never really answer with a come back well.

Of course we know the buzz words are being fair and all but a tax is a tax.

Do you think the war in Iraq was a good idea?

[luckytxn 2,263]

So if I think the war was a bad idea then I should forget the tax angle?

Start the thread about the war angle and we can veer off there.

[Teacher Mark 53]

So if I think the war was a bad idea then I should forget the tax angle?

Start the thread about the war angle and we can veer off there.

My point is that the bill has come due. Conservatives love to call Obama a tax and spend liberal. All I have seen in the past 8 years is spend, spend and spend.

I'll post whatever I want, wherever I want to.

[luckytxn 2,263]

So if I think the war was a bad idea then I should forget the tax angle?

Start the thread about the war angle and we can veer off there.

My point is that the bill has come due. Conservatives love to call Obama a tax and spend liberal. All I have seen in the past 8 years is spend, spend and spend.

I'll post whatever I want, wherever I want to.

And the post was asking about Taxes not war.

I will also post what I want and when I want. You sure not gonna make me stop. Now the thread before was asking a question. Anybody else with a actual brain want to enlighten?

[IAMX 3,055]

You say it CAN'T POSSIBLY be true, which is your ####### that you can't back up.

Nope, this is something you made up. This is, not surprisingly, your own straw man argument to compensate for your sh!tty assertion having no value.

I posted the laws and some court cases to show the concerns that people a whole lot smarter than you have, and all you can do is talk smack. You could make an effort, but you can't, so you don't. You didn't even read what I posted, that's clear.

Well, lets put it this way. The original topic was about Ohio. You gave me some stupid a$$ link about some dude in Florida not even related to registering votes. Just that voting machines can be tampered with? Nothing new here! This has what to do with ACORN or even registering voters? NOTHING. You gave me some site that doesn't even mention how to register new voters absentee, or how they'd walk into a precinct and cast their vote as Mickey Mouse. This would be on every single state's page. You did not give any relevant information, besides what is required at every precinct just to cast a ballot, which is not the same as registering to vote and this being the first time new registration person has voted. It's very simple:

1. Explain how Mickey Mouse would walk into a precinct and cast his vote, knowing that pollsters do check ID, especially for first time voters. Also, repeat this, plus 70+ times, not [only] for Mickey, but for Joe Fraud.

2. Explain how Mickey Mouse would be a first time voter, and, upon his first vote, cast an absentee ballot.

.. then, to give the argument credibility, cite where this has happened before.

That's all. When you make an assertion on fraud numerous times, you're obviously painting yourself as an expert on this. And the line of fraud in the manner you suggest of a fake person voting is clearly drawn. So, expert, show how it's done. You've flailed your arguments about wildly the entire way, clearly showing that you just liked to spew a bunch of ####### you knew little about. Now the fun part of making you back up your assertion.

[Teacher Mark 53]

So if I think the war was a bad idea then I should forget the tax angle?

Start the thread about the war angle and we can veer off there.

My point is that the bill has come due. Conservatives love to call Obama a tax and spend liberal. All I have seen in the past 8 years is spend, spend and spend.

I'll post whatever I want, wherever I want to.

And the post was asking about Taxes not war.

I will also post what I want and when I want. You sure not gonna make me stop. Now the thread before was asking a question. Anybody else with a actual brain want to enlighten?

Resorting to personal jabs. You are a true conservative!

The war and taxes are interrelated. Obviously you don't understand that. We're all going to have to kick in a little more, due to your boys spending spree. That's a fact.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Joe Six-Pack

[luckytxn 2,263]

I see someone has missed the point of what I asked. Maybe read again and it will be clear. Saying one is only taxing the wealthy is misleading to me. I see it as recinding the previous tax cuts that gave middle class a tax cut to be taxing them. I am wondering if anyone else see this or trying to hide it as not a real tax as it was a tax we had before.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I see someone has missed the point of what I asked. Maybe read again and it will be clear. Saying one is only taxing the wealthy is misleading to me. I see it as recinding the previous tax cuts that gave middle class a tax cut to be taxing them. I am wondering if anyone else see this or trying to hide it as not a real tax as it was a tax we had before.

Ahhhh, go check your tire's air pressure.

[luckytxn 2,263]

I take it I proved my point as usual.

[Teacher Mark 53]

I take it I proved my point as usual.

No. I just know that there is no point wasting more valuable time arguing with you. I listen to guys like you all day long, why would I waste any more time arguing on this site? We have a couple of things in common, but our differences are as wide as the Pacific.

If you're looking for support, there are a handful on this site that will go along with you. Overall though you'll find little.

Edited October 16, 2008 by Joe Six-Pack