Colo. Professor Investigated For Palin Assignment

[rocks 494]

umm... i don't see the N word on any trucks in the south...?

No just in public and in rap videos.

i hope you aren't talking about me?

No in general.

it may well be in music, i don't approve of that word and if i saw it on a truck i would be offended. redneck though... i see that allllllllllllllllll the time, i'm not sure they equate to the same thing

[kaydee457 13]

Well now I didn't start this thread to initiate a war.....I merely wanted to point out a trend that characterizes liberals and enlighten as to why there's a very negative connotation top the term.

Yes, I've used the stereotype as an example to demonstrate that it appears the negativity associated with the term is well deserved.

Liberals, whether clear to themselves or not, engage in some pretty peculiar behaviors that's apparently disenfranchised a good number of people in this country. Those behaviors are apparent right here in this forum.....

And no Number, I'm not talking in generalities as I've itemized these behaviors in many posts in this forum before.

I see this election, one that was clearly in favor of the democrats, squandered by the choice of an elitist candidate that speaks to like minded liberals about what he's diagnosed as the affliction that ails those in middle America, and whose candidacy is rooted in superficiality, has appealed to the worst elements of his own party, and are now repaying him by, well acting out their stereotypical liberalism through ill informed activism.....thanks Hollywood, thanks Ward Churchill, thanks, Chris Matthews, thanks Olbermann, and thanks to the biased MSM .....

You're guaranteeing that at the least it'll be a much tighter race than anyone ever expected, and at the most, the republicans will retain the WH.

[Peikko 1,575]

1) World Net Daily is hardly a reliable source for information. They make Fox News look like they are actually fair and unbiased.

2) What other sources do you have other than what the Denver Post extracted from the TV station and from the World Net Daily? Do we have any comments from the professors and students other than Jana Barber? Did she provide a syllabus or a document handed out by the professor outlining the assignment? As far as it you can tell from this Denver Post article this is all purely "hearsay."

It's a breaking story I guess and I couldn't get access to other sources. I somehow doubt you research every article you comment on. You could have looked up some counter sources but your liberal education didn't teach you that.

My liberal education taught me to go over information with a critical eye. I had professors on the far left and the far right and I'm glad I did as I was exposed to many different thoughts and opinions. Maybe we should ask the question of why aren't there more conservative professors...or why do conservatives tend not to want to teach at university level?

You had far right professors? Were they in glass display cases?

I've wondered why there are few minority teachers in American public schools compared to their numbers in the population. People choose fields and some ideologies are predominant. I can't foresee a time when affirmative action would apply to political leanings so the tenor of college classrooms isn't likely to change. The only recourse is for students to challenge professor's positions but that's dangerous for your grades or job recommendations. I would say colleges could have alternative views from speakers invited to campus but on a lot of campuses they get the pie-in-the-face treatment or are shouted down.

Completely bogus. Aside from the fact that very few courses run on ideological lines a professor is only intrested in one thing when it comes to marking a critical essay and that is can you back up your opinion/position with rational, focused argument? If you can, you get good grades, if you can't, bad ones.

As for the second assertion, I never witnessed any guest speaker getting treated badly, no matter what their position was so again, a bogus claim from my limited experience.

[SteveLaura 0]

an elitist candidate

McCain - 7 houses

Middle America - 1 house. Possibly facing foreclosure.

candidacy is rooted in superficiality

Palin

has appealed to the worst elements of his own party

McCain, choosing Palin

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well now I didn't start this thread to initiate a war.....I merely wanted to point out a trend that characterizes liberals and enlighten as to why there's a very negative connotation top the term.

Yes, I've used the stereotype as an example to demonstrate that it appears the negativity associated with the term is well deserved.

Liberals, whether clear to themselves or not, engage in some pretty peculiar behaviors that's apparently disenfranchised a good number of people in this country. Those behaviors are apparent right here in this forum.....

And no Number, I'm not talking in generalities as I've itemized these behaviors in many posts in this forum before.

I see this election, one that was clearly in favor of the democrats, squandered by the choice of an elitist candidate that speaks to like minded liberals about what he's diagnosed as the affliction that ails those in middle America, and whose candidacy is rooted in superficiality, has appealed to the worst elements of his own party, and are now repaying him by, well acting out their stereotypical liberalism through ill informed activism.....thanks Hollywood, thanks Ward Churchill, thanks, Chris Matthews, thanks Olbermann, and thanks to the biased MSM .....

You're guaranteeing that at the least it'll be a much tighter race than anyone ever expected, and at the most, the republicans will retain the WH.

Yes Kaydee you absolutely did - if you didn't you wouldn't have implied collective "liberal" guilt on the basis of the article, or the suggestion that individuals need look for contrasting examples to justify why they think the way you do. It just isn't a fair argument.

As to peculiar behaviour - from where I sit, going off on insane diatribes about "liberal types" isn't exactly the mark of a rational person, and ironically enough - it actually undermines the argument you think you are making.

[ginger1981 0]

1) World Net Daily is hardly a reliable source for information. They make Fox News look like they are actually fair and unbiased.

2) What other sources do you have other than what the Denver Post extracted from the TV station and from the World Net Daily? Do we have any comments from the professors and students other than Jana Barber? Did she provide a syllabus or a document handed out by the professor outlining the assignment? As far as it you can tell from this Denver Post article this is all purely "hearsay."

It's a breaking story I guess and I couldn't get access to other sources. I somehow doubt you research every article you comment on. You could have looked up some counter sources but your liberal education didn't teach you that.

My liberal education taught me to go over information with a critical eye. I had professors on the far left and the far right and I'm glad I did as I was exposed to many different thoughts and opinions. Maybe we should ask the question of why aren't there more conservative professors...or why do conservatives tend not to want to teach at university level?

You had far right professors? Were they in glass display cases?

I've wondered why there are few minority teachers in American public schools compared to their numbers in the population. People choose fields and some ideologies are predominant. I can't foresee a time when affirmative action would apply to political leanings so the tenor of college classrooms isn't likely to change. The only recourse is for students to challenge professor's positions but that's dangerous for your grades or job recommendations. I would say colleges could have alternative views from speakers invited to campus but on a lot of campuses they get the pie-in-the-face treatment or are shouted down.

I went the the University of Nebraska for 3.5 years...Lincoln is somewhat more liberal than the rest of the state, but I wouldn't equate it to be on the same level as say, Berkeley.

I do agree that other viewpoints should get just as much attention. Anne Coulter was an invited speaker at Loyola University when I was there, and she literally was jeered off stage. Definitly poor behavior on the part of the protesters(even though she is certainly a disrespectful agitator...however I believe in taking the high road when possible).

In my experience all my professors, whether in theology, political science, history etc liked to provoke students to challenge their viewpoints. Some come off more of a pompous a** than others. Indeed a good many of them were liberal, but I think it is the responsibility of students to make a well thought out case to challenge the professor's viewpoint.

If I wasn't at work and had actual work to do I would spend more time researching this. I was finally able to get the internet(s) to play the video shown on the tv station in Denver. It looks as if there is a syllabus outlining the assignment but you could never get a good look at it aside from the odd highlighted sentence...hence I couldn't read the whole thing to see what the entire context was.

As you stated it is breaking news, so there aren't too many sources yet. I was pointing out that you can't really make a judgement at this time based on the very limited information...basically restricted to one unhappy student. If she has a legitmate aggrievement...ie she was verbally abused for her political views then the incident warrants further investigation. However, it could be the case that she couldn't produce a good counterargument to the professor for her point of view, he challenged her for it and now she is crying to the media about it. Who knows...we'll see.

Edited September 19, 2008 by ginger1981

[kaydee457 13]

an elitist candidate

McCain - 7 houses

Middle America - 1 house. Possibly facing foreclosure.

candidacy is rooted in superficiality

Palin

has appealed to the worst elements of his own party

McCain, choosing Palin

The term "elitist" is used in the context of a state of mind, not a declaration of wealth.....Liberals, particularly Obama that speaks of the affliction that ails middle america as a problem amongst his likeminded liberal friends; the guns and religion stuff, is an elitist. A person of with the belief that they are of superior intellect.

His candidacy is rooted in superficiality. There's no other way to describe his rise from his staus as a Junior Senator. He's a populist candidate void of experience and proven substance compared to others that ran against him in the primaries.

His rise was/is mostly due to his skin color, an admission he agrees with, rather than anything else.

[ginger1981 0]

Well now I didn't start this thread to initiate a war.....I merely wanted to point out a trend that characterizes liberals and enlighten as to why there's a very negative connotation top the term.

Yes, I've used the stereotype as an example to demonstrate that it appears the negativity associated with the term is well deserved.

Liberals, whether clear to themselves or not, engage in some pretty peculiar behaviors that's apparently disenfranchised a good number of people in this country. Those behaviors are apparent right here in this forum.....

And no Number, I'm not talking in generalities as I've itemized these behaviors in many posts in this forum before.

I see this election, one that was clearly in favor of the democrats, squandered by the choice of an elitist candidate that speaks to like minded liberals about what he's diagnosed as the affliction that ails those in middle America, and whose candidacy is rooted in superficiality, has appealed to the worst elements of his own party, and are now repaying him by, well acting out their stereotypical liberalism through ill informed activism.....thanks Hollywood, thanks Ward Churchill, thanks, Chris Matthews, thanks Olbermann, and thanks to the biased MSM .....

You're guaranteeing that at the least it'll be a much tighter race than anyone ever expected, and at the most, the republicans will retain the WH.

I think your problem is you state your opinion as it is some sort of fact. If you want to have a debate where you can be taken seriously you should probably watch how you word your comments.

Edited September 19, 2008 by ginger1981

[rocks 494]

Liberals, particularly Obama that speaks of the affliction that ails middle america as a problem amongst his likeminded liberal friends; the guns and religion stuff, is an elitist. A person of with the belief that they are of superior intellect.

wait, so if i don't advocate banning guns i'm not a liberal?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

an elitist candidate

McCain - 7 houses

Middle America - 1 house. Possibly facing foreclosure.

candidacy is rooted in superficiality

Palin

has appealed to the worst elements of his own party

McCain, choosing Palin

The term "elitist" is used in the context of a state of mind, not a declaration of wealth.....Liberals, particularly Obama that speaks of the affliction that ails middle america as a problem amongst his likeminded liberal friends; the guns and religion stuff, is an elitist. A person of with the belief that they are of superior intellect.

His candidacy is rooted in superficiality. There's no other way to describe his rise from his staus as a Junior Senator. He's a populist candidate void of experience and proven substance compared to others that ran against him in the primaries.

His rise was/is mostly due to his skin color, an admission he agrees with, rather than anything else.

Actually no that's wrong. As I said the other day an "elitist" is someone who promotes rule by an elite few (i.e. an oligarchy or a plutocracy). A person can be part of an "elite" group (rich, highly educated etc) but it doesn't make them "elitist".

What you're actually saying is that Obama's comments about small town people were snobbish. Again - that's entirely different to "elitism".

Of course - someone who uses a bigger word (elitist) where a smaller word (snob) will do - in order to give their arguments added weight and emphasis is being a tad snobbish themselves

[IAMX 3,055]

Yet you still prove you need more air outside.

If you felt more comfortable about yourself you might be attacking people on irrelevant sh!t a lot less. Your attempts at compensating for something is well evident.

I am still waiting on being enlighten by your education and what you actually did at google.

You need to be enlightened by many things, like how little my education has to do with the subject here.

Hows it going with protecting the poor whites who are under attack?

[kaydee457 13]

Well now I didn't start this thread to initiate a war.....I merely wanted to point out a trend that characterizes liberals and enlighten as to why there's a very negative connotation top the term.

Yes, I've used the stereotype as an example to demonstrate that it appears the negativity associated with the term is well deserved.

Liberals, whether clear to themselves or not, engage in some pretty peculiar behaviors that's apparently disenfranchised a good number of people in this country. Those behaviors are apparent right here in this forum.....

And no Number, I'm not talking in generalities as I've itemized these behaviors in many posts in this forum before.

I see this election, one that was clearly in favor of the democrats, squandered by the choice of an elitist candidate that speaks to like minded liberals about what he's diagnosed as the affliction that ails those in middle America, and whose candidacy is rooted in superficiality, has appealed to the worst elements of his own party, and are now repaying him by, well acting out their stereotypical liberalism through ill informed activism.....thanks Hollywood, thanks Ward Churchill, thanks, Chris Matthews, thanks Olbermann, and thanks to the biased MSM .....

You're guaranteeing that at the least it'll be a much tighter race than anyone ever expected, and at the most, the republicans will retain the WH.

Yes Kaydee you absolutely did - if you didn't you wouldn't have implied collective "liberal" guilt on the basis of the article, or the suggestion that individuals need look for contrasting examples to justify why they think the way you do. It just isn't a fair argument.

As to peculiar behaviour - from where I sit, going off on insane diatribes about "liberal types" isn't exactly the mark of a rational person, and ironically enough - it actually undermines the argument you think you are making.

There you go again....Insanity is what you appear to be. You're just making a fool of yourself again. Nobody can take what you write credibly because you act out on your liberal frustrations.

Like I said before, and please listen up this time, I'm not responsible for the negative conotation attached to that kind of behavior, you earned that disdain......

[kaydee457 13]

Well now I didn't start this thread to initiate a war.....I merely wanted to point out a trend that characterizes liberals and enlighten as to why there's a very negative connotation top the term.

Yes, I've used the stereotype as an example to demonstrate that it appears the negativity associated with the term is well deserved.

Liberals, whether clear to themselves or not, engage in some pretty peculiar behaviors that's apparently disenfranchised a good number of people in this country. Those behaviors are apparent right here in this forum.....

And no Number, I'm not talking in generalities as I've itemized these behaviors in many posts in this forum before.

I see this election, one that was clearly in favor of the democrats, squandered by the choice of an elitist candidate that speaks to like minded liberals about what he's diagnosed as the affliction that ails those in middle America, and whose candidacy is rooted in superficiality, has appealed to the worst elements of his own party, and are now repaying him by, well acting out their stereotypical liberalism through ill informed activism.....thanks Hollywood, thanks Ward Churchill, thanks, Chris Matthews, thanks Olbermann, and thanks to the biased MSM .....

You're guaranteeing that at the least it'll be a much tighter race than anyone ever expected, and at the most, the republicans will retain the WH.

I think your problem is you state your opinion as it is some sort of fact. If you want to have a debate where you can be taken seriously you should probably watch how you word your comments.

Sure, I'll debate it but it seems moot to do so given the overwhelming empirical evidence supporting my contentions. Liberals earned the disdain they've been having to deal with.

[HAL 9000 96]

Quick, 6... go to your therapist again. You are instanity.

[kaydee457 13]

an elitist candidate

McCain - 7 houses

Middle America - 1 house. Possibly facing foreclosure.

candidacy is rooted in superficiality

Palin

has appealed to the worst elements of his own party

McCain, choosing Palin

The term "elitist" is used in the context of a state of mind, not a declaration of wealth.....Liberals, particularly Obama that speaks of the affliction that ails middle america as a problem amongst his likeminded liberal friends; the guns and religion stuff, is an elitist. A person of with the belief that they are of superior intellect.

His candidacy is rooted in superficiality. There's no other way to describe his rise from his staus as a Junior Senator. He's a populist candidate void of experience and proven substance compared to others that ran against him in the primaries.

His rise was/is mostly due to his skin color, an admission he agrees with, rather than anything else.

Actually no that's wrong. As I said the other day an "elitist" is someone who promotes rule by an elite few (i.e. an oligarchy or a plutocracy). A person can be part of an "elite" group (rich, highly educated etc) but it doesn't make them "elitist".

What you're actually saying is that Obama's comments about small town people were snobbish. Again - that's entirely different to "elitism".

Of course - someone who uses a bigger word (elitist) where a smaller word (snob) will do - in order to give their arguments added weight and emphasis is being a tad snobbish themselves

Listen Number.....If you want a literal definition then, sure, you're right. However, the term's been in popular use to describe people that are aloof, such as Liberals and now with Obama.

It's pretty ####### to argue the literal meaning when you full know that the term is applied to this candidate, and why.

The fact is that the word's in common use and applied to Barack Obama. Apparently you don't read the news, or you simply have poor reading comprhension and retention......whichever way, as in most cases your argument is silly and just adds to this foolish image you project in this forum.

just a Google on Obama and Elitist yields 11,000 hits.........