Biden calls paying higher taxes a patriotic act

[Kevin and 10]

i like how noone ever sways at all on political opinions. what's the point, you all have your agendas, you all have you reasons for voting for whoever you vote for, but youre not going to change any opinions.. maybe you should all get naked and paint your opinions on your various body parts.. you might change more opinions.. or atleast make people laugh.

Welcome to VJ OT.

[mud 0]

thanks, im just pushing for more nakedness thats all. maybe if the parties running ran nude.. it would be a more interesting discussion

[Heracles 417]

You don't need to be a doctor to post on message boards.

or to have knowledge/a valid opinion

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something, outside an anonymous forum, to back it up.

Likewise this is a forum so why do posters like #6 (Paul Daniels) waste time rebutting every single post they do not agree with or poster they do not like. Which consequently causes a flare up.

Edited September 19, 2008 by Aficionado

[rocks 494]

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something to back it up.

yes it is called debate. unless your degree was in politics, it really isn't relevant.

[IAMX 3,055]

You don't need to be a doctor to post on message boards.

or to have knowledge/a valid opinion

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something to back it up.

Likewise this is a forum so why do posters like #6 (Paul Daniels) waste time rebutting every single post they do not agree with or poster they do not like. Which consequently causes a flare up.

And you don't hesitate to use personal attacks or get defensive and try to score ePenis points. So we're even and you can stop whining and post constructively as an example if you have any problems with posting conduct.

[Heracles 417]

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something to back it up.

yes it is called debate. unless your degree was in politics, it really isn't relevant.

Yes. Debate is I agree with x, while others may agree with k. Debate does not mean anyone who agrees with x and not k is a stupid, backwards, uneducated, ignorant, racist, redneck etc etc.

Which is the norm here from many with left wing views.

Edited September 19, 2008 by Aficionado

[rocks 494]

Yes. Debate is I agree with x, while others may agree with k. Debate does not mean anyone who agrees with x and not k is a stupid, backwards, uneducated, ignorant, racist, redneck etc etc.

Which is the norm here from many with left wing views.

look at your last comment and tell me that you don't throw around names and labels

[Heracles 417]

And you don't hesitate to use personal attacks or get defensive and try to score ePenis points. So we're even and you can stop whining and post constructively as an example if you have any problems with posting conduct.

I use personal attacks and get defensive because this was the case, especially in the early days, from many here towards myself and others with differing non-liberal American views. Therefore, I am now simply playing by the rules people established earlier on. There was a time when I could not say anything without being automatically branded something. Then ironically when I fired back with my education and salary, I am just boasting.

I am more than happy and willing to discuss / debate issues with people on a civil level.

look at your last comment and tell me that you don't throw around names and labels

The above should answer that..

The irony is that I am conservative and strongly believe in a federally oriented government. If I could vote in this election would probably be voting for Obama.

I share similar values with republicans but do not agree with their policies. Whereas, I agree with the policies of democrats but do not share the same values as that of the majority of democrats.

Edited September 19, 2008 by Aficionado

[IAMX 3,055]

And you don't hesitate to use personal attacks or get defensive and try to score ePenis points. So we're even and you can stop whining and post constructively as an example if you have any problems with posting conduct.

I use personal attacks and get defensive because this was the case, especially in the early days, from many here towards myself and others with differing non-liberal American views. Therefore, I am now simply playing by the rules people established earlier on. There was a time when I could not say anything without being automatically branded something. Then ironically when I fired back with my education and salary, I am just boasting.

I am more than happy and willing to discuss / debate issues with people on a civil level.

No one is forcing you to post the way you are and act like forum cop. So please, spare us the whining.

[rocks 494]

well, i've been called a lot of names since i started posting in here, not by you, but just generally. i don't agree with being labelled a socialist, but i'm also not getting defensive about it... i don't think? imo it is far easier to let people assume what they want and live the easy life

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You don't need to be a doctor to post on message boards.

or to have knowledge/a valid opinion

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something, outside an anonymous forum, to back it up.

Likewise this is a forum so why do posters like #6 (Paul Daniels) waste time rebutting every single post they do not agree with or poster they do not like. Which consequently causes a flare up.

No they don't. If your argument is illogical or poorly founded, you can't expect it not to be challenged. Certainly not when you're so vehement about it.

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something to back it up.

yes it is called debate. unless your degree was in politics, it really isn't relevant.

Yes. Debate is I agree with x, while others may agree with k. Debate does not mean anyone who agrees with x and not k is a stupid, backwards, uneducated, ignorant, racist, redneck etc etc.

Which is the norm here from many with left wing views.

Yes BY - I have called you a racist before.

Because... (sharp intake of breath) you've said racist things!

[HAL 9000 96]

And you don't hesitate to use personal attacks or get defensive and try to score ePenis points. So we're even and you can stop whining and post constructively as an example if you have any problems with posting conduct.

I use personal attacks and get defensive because this was the case, especially in the early days, from many here towards myself and others with differing non-liberal American views. Therefore, I am now simply playing by the rules people established earlier on. There was a time when I could not say anything without being automatically branded something. Then ironically when I fired back with my education and salary, I am just boasting.

I am more than happy and willing to discuss / debate issues with people on a civil level.

look at your last comment and tell me that you don't throw around names and labels

The above should answer that..

The irony is that I am conservative and strongly believe in a federally oriented government. If I could vote in this election would probably be voting for Obama.

I share similar values with republicans but do not agree with their policies. Whereas, I agree with the policies of democrats but do not share the same values as that of the majority of democrats.

And you sure its not because you are perceived to have a major attitude problem?

Mate, have a beer and relax.

[HAL 9000 96]

well, i've been called a lot of names since i started posting in here, not by you, but just generally. i don't agree with being labelled a socialist, but i'm also not getting defensive about it... i don't think? imo it is far easier to let people assume what they want and live the easy life

I'd be a rich man and subject to Obama's tax increase (finally!) if I earned a penny for every idiotic insult/label other lunatics and non-lunatics have launched at me. Does that hurt my feelings? Why would it.

Unless I can get that pennyforinsult.net url I always wanted...

You don't need to be a doctor to post on message boards.

or to have knowledge/a valid opinion

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something, outside an anonymous forum, to back it up.

Likewise this is a forum so why do posters like #6 (Paul Daniels) waste time rebutting every single post they do not agree with or poster they do not like. Which consequently causes a flare up.

No they don't. If your argument is illogical or poorly founded, you can't expect it not to be challenged. Certainly not when you're so vehement about it.

That was not the point. When someone is claiming that opposing views are irrelevant 24/7 or that the poster is basically stupid, then they need to have something to back it up.

yes it is called debate. unless your degree was in politics, it really isn't relevant.

Yes. Debate is I agree with x, while others may agree with k. Debate does not mean anyone who agrees with x and not k is a stupid, backwards, uneducated, ignorant, racist, redneck etc etc.

Which is the norm here from many with left wing views.

Yes BY - I have called you a racist before.

Because... (sharp intake of breath) you've said racist things!

Well we must give the racists some credit. They tend to deny they are.

[kaydee457 13]

Hmm, who do I agree with, x or k???

I'll get back to you on this!

[Heracles 417]

Well we must give the racists some credit. They tend to deny they are.

Yep that is me I am in denial. I am racist because I hate the attitude of poor inner-city black folk who refuse to move, get an education, acquire a skill, clean up the area they live in, take care of the area they live in, live by the law, respect others rather than shoot them, learn how to speak English correctly rather than the ghettoized version, dress appropriately to actually get a job, stop loitering etc etc.

Now that we have established that, can I opt to have all of my so-called racist tax dollars used in other areas rather than being wasted on inner city poor. Or just follow the Marxist maviwaro logic of you work and pay, they get to enjoy; because of "cause and effect" and all..

Edited September 19, 2008 by Aficionado