'Poli-Migra': New Spanish Word for Police and ICE

[peejay 327]

Unless the facts escape the brain dead, these people are basicly stating that commiting state and local crimes are irrelevant to the fact that they are in the USA illegally. In Houston we had offenders that had multiple DWI's that were released again and again even though the cops knew these people were illegal aliens, but sanctuary policy forbid our police from notifying ICE so they could be removed from our communities and deported. It took the murder of a Houston police officer by a previously deported illegal alien child molester driving without a license to finally get the outrage directed at City Hall to get this insanity stopped. The Houston cops are still forbidden to notify ICE of illegal aliens they encounter in their duties, but are not in their custody.

These people believe that illegal alien criminals should be treated just like any US citizen that commits the same crime. They do not want ICE inside the state and local jails, but cannot bar them from being there. They just implement a policy that their local police officers are forbidden from cooperating with ICE by reporting that they have illegal aliens in custody in their jails.

This is what a sancuary city is all about. If you disagree with this policy in your state, county, or city...raise holy hell with the elected officials that put this stupidness in place.

And it probably escapes you that not all illegal aliens are committing additional crimes.

So what? Isn't commiting federal crimes enough for you?

It's about like when that fool Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) gets on national TV and talks about the "law abiding illegal immigrants" he so loves. Bullshit! Illegal entry and illegal presence is just the tip of the iceberg. Then it progresses to fraud, identity theft, working illegally, tax evasion, etc., etc.

So what if they don't rob banks too. Illegal entry is the beginning of a laundry list of additional lawbreaking. These people don't come here just to vacation at the beach. Let's get real and honest about what is going on here.

Sure, its enough for me. Hence I don't have a problem with ICE doing its job. Get a grip brother peejay.

Like I stated: breaking immigration law is prone to what? Yes, deportation. Breaking additional laws? Jail time- with due process. Not that difficult to understand.

Now if you want to make that slope of yours more slippery, go ahead and play the fool. If you have some kind of ESP or actual statistics that point a smoking gun that these illegals are doing all that in their typewritten laundry list (blame the Mexican government all you want), then perhaps you'd not sound like a raving obsessive.

Again, I think we've covered some of the driving forces to emigrate here, legally or illegally. If these people had viable means of securing visas to come and vacation in Galveston, I'm sure they wouldn't need to come illegally.

Last I heard...US immigration is a priviledge, not a right. Ditto for the granting of visas to lawfully enter our country. The USA is under no obligation to grant anyone and everyone a viable means to immigrate or to obtain a visa on demand. About on par with the same practices exercised by most every civilized country in the world. In other words, countries have a sovereign right to regulate who enters their country and for what purpose.

On what basis do you conclude that illegal aliens have a right to break into another country that has not granted that priviledge? On what basis do you conclude that any nation is forced to take in foreign nationals against its will and in violation of its laws?

Sure, countires can write all the laws they want- and I am not debating that with you, am I? Stay on topic.

I do not argue there is a right to go anywhere illegally. Get a grip.

People will do what they need to do to survive. That is perhaps something most of us here do not need to worry about beyond our creature comforts... and its perhaps something that needs to be reminded so that folks like you better understand the situation of what it means to be human.

Yeah...there are 6 billion humans in the world and the vast majority of them live in poverty. There will be 9 billion of them by mid 21st century (2050). I don't buy into the misery loves company scenario that it is the obligation of the USA to save the world and take them all in. That is not the answer and you know it. We could take in 8, 10, or 12 times more immigrants and it won't even put even a small dent in the problem.

Sure I know you don't buy that- you 've said it as a knee jerk about 25 times already over the last few months. And I always reply- we're not asking the USA to be the world's savior.

Nor am I arguing in favor of opening our borders... so perhaps a new knee jerk reaction would be in order for you??

As I have also stated quite repetively... its the 'teach a man to fish' analogy.

Invest a FRACTION (of what we spend in creating walls around our nation) in these nations' infrastructure: read- programs to help these nations pull their poor up by their own bootstraps. And guess what that does peejay? Oh yeah! It REDUCES all those billions of people wanting to come and eat your pie.

Go figure.

I have no problem with helping our fellow humans in the world. The USA has probably done more than most nations in that respect.

But I don't subscribe to the notion that we are obligated to tolerate violation of our sovereign laws because someone feels we have not done enough.

[HAL 9000 96]

Unless the facts escape the brain dead, these people are basicly stating that commiting state and local crimes are irrelevant to the fact that they are in the USA illegally. In Houston we had offenders that had multiple DWI's that were released again and again even though the cops knew these people were illegal aliens, but sanctuary policy forbid our police from notifying ICE so they could be removed from our communities and deported. It took the murder of a Houston police officer by a previously deported illegal alien child molester driving without a license to finally get the outrage directed at City Hall to get this insanity stopped. The Houston cops are still forbidden to notify ICE of illegal aliens they encounter in their duties, but are not in their custody.

These people believe that illegal alien criminals should be treated just like any US citizen that commits the same crime. They do not want ICE inside the state and local jails, but cannot bar them from being there. They just implement a policy that their local police officers are forbidden from cooperating with ICE by reporting that they have illegal aliens in custody in their jails.

This is what a sancuary city is all about. If you disagree with this policy in your state, county, or city...raise holy hell with the elected officials that put this stupidness in place.

And it probably escapes you that not all illegal aliens are committing additional crimes.

So what? Isn't commiting federal crimes enough for you?

It's about like when that fool Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) gets on national TV and talks about the "law abiding illegal immigrants" he so loves. Bullshit! Illegal entry and illegal presence is just the tip of the iceberg. Then it progresses to fraud, identity theft, working illegally, tax evasion, etc., etc.

So what if they don't rob banks too. Illegal entry is the beginning of a laundry list of additional lawbreaking. These people don't come here just to vacation at the beach. Let's get real and honest about what is going on here.

Sure, its enough for me. Hence I don't have a problem with ICE doing its job. Get a grip brother peejay.

Like I stated: breaking immigration law is prone to what? Yes, deportation. Breaking additional laws? Jail time- with due process. Not that difficult to understand.

Now if you want to make that slope of yours more slippery, go ahead and play the fool. If you have some kind of ESP or actual statistics that point a smoking gun that these illegals are doing all that in their typewritten laundry list (blame the Mexican government all you want), then perhaps you'd not sound like a raving obsessive.

Again, I think we've covered some of the driving forces to emigrate here, legally or illegally. If these people had viable means of securing visas to come and vacation in Galveston, I'm sure they wouldn't need to come illegally.

Last I heard...US immigration is a priviledge, not a right. Ditto for the granting of visas to lawfully enter our country. The USA is under no obligation to grant anyone and everyone a viable means to immigrate or to obtain a visa on demand. About on par with the same practices exercised by most every civilized country in the world. In other words, countries have a sovereign right to regulate who enters their country and for what purpose.

On what basis do you conclude that illegal aliens have a right to break into another country that has not granted that priviledge? On what basis do you conclude that any nation is forced to take in foreign nationals against its will and in violation of its laws?

Sure, countires can write all the laws they want- and I am not debating that with you, am I? Stay on topic.

I do not argue there is a right to go anywhere illegally. Get a grip.

People will do what they need to do to survive. That is perhaps something most of us here do not need to worry about beyond our creature comforts... and its perhaps something that needs to be reminded so that folks like you better understand the situation of what it means to be human.

Yeah...there are 6 billion humans in the world and the vast majority of them live in poverty. There will be 9 billion of them by mid 21st century (2050). I don't buy into the misery loves company scenario that it is the obligation of the USA to save the world and take them all in. That is not the answer and you know it. We could take in 8, 10, or 12 times more immigrants and it won't even put even a small dent in the problem.

Sure I know you don't buy that- you 've said it as a knee jerk about 25 times already over the last few months. And I always reply- we're not asking the USA to be the world's savior.

Nor am I arguing in favor of opening our borders... so perhaps a new knee jerk reaction would be in order for you??

As I have also stated quite repetively... its the 'teach a man to fish' analogy.

Invest a FRACTION (of what we spend in creating walls around our nation) in these nations' infrastructure: read- programs to help these nations pull their poor up by their own bootstraps. And guess what that does peejay? Oh yeah! It REDUCES all those billions of people wanting to come and eat your pie.

Go figure.

I have no problem with helping our fellow humans in the world. The USA has probably done more than most nations in that respect.

But I don't subscribe to the notion that we are obligated to tolerate violation of our sovereign laws because someone feels we have not done enough.

With that we are pretty much in agreement. Nobody is arguing for the opposite, by the way.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

Invest a FRACTION (of what we spend in creating walls around our nation) in these nations' infrastructure: read- programs to help these nations pull their poor up by their own bootstraps. And guess what that does peejay? Oh yeah! It REDUCES all those billions of people wanting to come and eat your pie.

Go figure.

so you must have a link for that, right?

I think the commonsense.com URL is already taken.

short answer - no you don't

Go figure.

[panamania79 2]

Unless the facts escape the brain dead, these people are basicly stating that commiting state and local crimes are irrelevant to the fact that they are in the USA illegally. In Houston we had offenders that had multiple DWI's that were released again and again even though the cops knew these people were illegal aliens, but sanctuary policy forbid our police from notifying ICE so they could be removed from our communities and deported. It took the murder of a Houston police officer by a previously deported illegal alien child molester driving without a license to finally get the outrage directed at City Hall to get this insanity stopped. The Houston cops are still forbidden to notify ICE of illegal aliens they encounter in their duties, but are not in their custody.

These people believe that illegal alien criminals should be treated just like any US citizen that commits the same crime. They do not want ICE inside the state and local jails, but cannot bar them from being there. They just implement a policy that their local police officers are forbidden from cooperating with ICE by reporting that they have illegal aliens in custody in their jails.

This is what a sancuary city is all about. If you disagree with this policy in your state, county, or city...raise holy hell with the elected officials that put this stupidness in place.

And it probably escapes you that not all illegal aliens are committing additional crimes.

So what? Isn't commiting federal crimes enough for you?

It's about like when that fool Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) gets on national TV and talks about the "law abiding illegal immigrants" he so loves. Bullshit! Illegal entry and illegal presence is just the tip of the iceberg. Then it progresses to fraud, identity theft, working illegally, tax evasion, etc., etc.

So what if they don't rob banks too. Illegal entry is the beginning of a laundry list of additional lawbreaking. These people don't come here just to vacation at the beach. Let's get real and honest about what is going on here.

Sure, its enough for me. Hence I don't have a problem with ICE doing its job. Get a grip brother peejay.

Like I stated: breaking immigration law is prone to what? Yes, deportation. Breaking additional laws? Jail time- with due process. Not that difficult to understand.

Now if you want to make that slope of yours more slippery, go ahead and play the fool. If you have some kind of ESP or actual statistics that point a smoking gun that these illegals are doing all that in their typewritten laundry list (blame the Mexican government all you want), then perhaps you'd not sound like a raving obsessive.

Again, I think we've covered some of the driving forces to emigrate here, legally or illegally. If these people had viable means of securing visas to come and vacation in Galveston, I'm sure they wouldn't need to come illegally.

Last I heard...US immigration is a priviledge, not a right. Ditto for the granting of visas to lawfully enter our country. The USA is under no obligation to grant anyone and everyone a viable means to immigrate or to obtain a visa on demand. About on par with the same practices exercised by most every civilized country in the world. In other words, countries have a sovereign right to regulate who enters their country and for what purpose.

On what basis do you conclude that illegal aliens have a right to break into another country that has not granted that priviledge? On what basis do you conclude that any nation is forced to take in foreign nationals against its will and in violation of its laws?

Sure, countires can write all the laws they want- and I am not debating that with you, am I? Stay on topic.

I do not argue there is a right to go anywhere illegally. Get a grip.

People will do what they need to do to survive. That is perhaps something most of us here do not need to worry about beyond our creature comforts... and its perhaps something that needs to be reminded so that folks like you better understand the situation of what it means to be human.

Yeah...there are 6 billion humans in the world and the vast majority of them live in poverty. There will be 9 billion of them by mid 21st century (2050). I don't buy into the misery loves company scenario that it is the obligation of the USA to save the world and take them all in. That is not the answer and you know it. We could take in 8, 10, or 12 times more immigrants and it won't even put even a small dent in the problem.

Sure I know you don't buy that- you 've said it as a knee jerk about 25 times already over the last few months. And I always reply- we're not asking the USA to be the world's savior.

Nor am I arguing in favor of opening our borders... so perhaps a new knee jerk reaction would be in order for you??

As I have also stated quite repetively... its the 'teach a man to fish' analogy.

Invest a FRACTION (of what we spend in creating walls around our nation) in these nations' infrastructure: read- programs to help these nations pull their poor up by their own bootstraps. And guess what that does peejay? Oh yeah! It REDUCES all those billions of people wanting to come and eat your pie.

Go figure.

I have no problem with helping our fellow humans in the world. The USA has probably done more than most nations in that respect.

But I don't subscribe to the notion that we are obligated to tolerate violation of our sovereign laws because someone feels we have not done enough.

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

[peejay 327]

Unless the facts escape the brain dead, these people are basicly stating that commiting state and local crimes are irrelevant to the fact that they are in the USA illegally. In Houston we had offenders that had multiple DWI's that were released again and again even though the cops knew these people were illegal aliens, but sanctuary policy forbid our police from notifying ICE so they could be removed from our communities and deported. It took the murder of a Houston police officer by a previously deported illegal alien child molester driving without a license to finally get the outrage directed at City Hall to get this insanity stopped. The Houston cops are still forbidden to notify ICE of illegal aliens they encounter in their duties, but are not in their custody.

These people believe that illegal alien criminals should be treated just like any US citizen that commits the same crime. They do not want ICE inside the state and local jails, but cannot bar them from being there. They just implement a policy that their local police officers are forbidden from cooperating with ICE by reporting that they have illegal aliens in custody in their jails.

This is what a sancuary city is all about. If you disagree with this policy in your state, county, or city...raise holy hell with the elected officials that put this stupidness in place.

And it probably escapes you that not all illegal aliens are committing additional crimes.

So what? Isn't commiting federal crimes enough for you?

It's about like when that fool Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) gets on national TV and talks about the "law abiding illegal immigrants" he so loves. Bullshit! Illegal entry and illegal presence is just the tip of the iceberg. Then it progresses to fraud, identity theft, working illegally, tax evasion, etc., etc.

So what if they don't rob banks too. Illegal entry is the beginning of a laundry list of additional lawbreaking. These people don't come here just to vacation at the beach. Let's get real and honest about what is going on here.

Sure, its enough for me. Hence I don't have a problem with ICE doing its job. Get a grip brother peejay.

Like I stated: breaking immigration law is prone to what? Yes, deportation. Breaking additional laws? Jail time- with due process. Not that difficult to understand.

Now if you want to make that slope of yours more slippery, go ahead and play the fool. If you have some kind of ESP or actual statistics that point a smoking gun that these illegals are doing all that in their typewritten laundry list (blame the Mexican government all you want), then perhaps you'd not sound like a raving obsessive.

Again, I think we've covered some of the driving forces to emigrate here, legally or illegally. If these people had viable means of securing visas to come and vacation in Galveston, I'm sure they wouldn't need to come illegally.

Last I heard...US immigration is a priviledge, not a right. Ditto for the granting of visas to lawfully enter our country. The USA is under no obligation to grant anyone and everyone a viable means to immigrate or to obtain a visa on demand. About on par with the same practices exercised by most every civilized country in the world. In other words, countries have a sovereign right to regulate who enters their country and for what purpose.

On what basis do you conclude that illegal aliens have a right to break into another country that has not granted that priviledge? On what basis do you conclude that any nation is forced to take in foreign nationals against its will and in violation of its laws?

Sure, countires can write all the laws they want- and I am not debating that with you, am I? Stay on topic.

I do not argue there is a right to go anywhere illegally. Get a grip.

People will do what they need to do to survive. That is perhaps something most of us here do not need to worry about beyond our creature comforts... and its perhaps something that needs to be reminded so that folks like you better understand the situation of what it means to be human.

Yeah...there are 6 billion humans in the world and the vast majority of them live in poverty. There will be 9 billion of them by mid 21st century (2050). I don't buy into the misery loves company scenario that it is the obligation of the USA to save the world and take them all in. That is not the answer and you know it. We could take in 8, 10, or 12 times more immigrants and it won't even put even a small dent in the problem.

Sure I know you don't buy that- you 've said it as a knee jerk about 25 times already over the last few months. And I always reply- we're not asking the USA to be the world's savior.

Nor am I arguing in favor of opening our borders... so perhaps a new knee jerk reaction would be in order for you??

As I have also stated quite repetively... its the 'teach a man to fish' analogy.

Invest a FRACTION (of what we spend in creating walls around our nation) in these nations' infrastructure: read- programs to help these nations pull their poor up by their own bootstraps. And guess what that does peejay? Oh yeah! It REDUCES all those billions of people wanting to come and eat your pie.

Go figure.

I have no problem with helping our fellow humans in the world. The USA has probably done more than most nations in that respect.

But I don't subscribe to the notion that we are obligated to tolerate violation of our sovereign laws because someone feels we have not done enough.

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

What really concerns me is when politicians such as Obama liken ICE to terrorists in a recent speech to LaRaza and Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) publicly likens ICE to the Gestapo for carrying out long standing US immigration and work authorization laws. Pandering to special interest voters is one thing, but this sort of rhetoric from serving politicians is way over the top. Statements such as these are irresponsible and demoralizing to our law enforcement personnel that have a difficult and dangerous job.

Where is the proof that ICE has conducted widespread abuses in conducting their sworn duties under long existing laws that predates the Bush administration?

If we cannot, do not, and will not enforce our immigration and work authorization laws we have a defacto open border. This is totally unacceptable.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

If we cannot, do not, and will not enforce our immigration and work authorization laws we have a defacto open border. This is totally unacceptable.

Edited September 5, 2008 by charles!

[HAL 9000 96]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

[HAL 9000 96]

What really concerns me is when politicians such as Obama liken ICE to terrorists in a recent speech to LaRaza and Congressman Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) publicly likens ICE to the Gestapo for carrying out long standing US immigration and work authorization laws. Pandering to special interest voters is one thing, but this sort of rhetoric from serving politicians is way over the top. Statements such as these are irresponsible and demoralizing to our law enforcement personnel that have a difficult and dangerous job.

Where is the proof that ICE has conducted widespread abuses in conducting their sworn duties under long existing laws that predates the Bush administration?

If we cannot, do not, and will not enforce our immigration and work authorization laws we have a defacto open border. This is totally unacceptable.

Perhaps. But perhaps also you could categorize such speeches a bit more accurately, vis a vis, characterizing the difference between upholding and enforcing the law vs carrying the law to new extremes in some cases.

Furthermore, widespread is a matter of fancy. For some folks, one case of abuse is excessive. And it is excessive. Specially when lopped into the topic you have profiling issues and crass generalizations much like we read here from day to day.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

if you read quite a few of the anti-illegal threads, you'd realize that the previous isn't a knee-jerk. the only knee-jerk around here is your post

[panamania79 2]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

Since illegal immigrants seem to be a popular target nowadays,abuses do occur.I am not sure about ICE,but I know some local policemen have a field day if they happen to pull an illegal immigrant over.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

Since illegal immigrants seem to be a popular target nowadays,abuses do occur.I am not sure about ICE,but I know some local policemen have a field day if they happen to pull an illegal immigrant over.

in what way?

[panamania79 2]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

Since illegal immigrants seem to be a popular target nowadays,abuses do occur.I am not sure about ICE,but I know some local policemen have a field day if they happen to pull an illegal immigrant over.

in what way?

Well,in one case a policeman pulled over a man,"green carded" him,and when he didn't have anything,he got punched in the face and his gold chain yanked off his neck.

In another, this guy was resisiting arrest and 2 policemen were beating him upside the head with a 2X4.

[Ban Hammer 14,293]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

Since illegal immigrants seem to be a popular target nowadays,abuses do occur.I am not sure about ICE,but I know some local policemen have a field day if they happen to pull an illegal immigrant over.

in what way?

Well,in one case a policeman pulled over a man,"green carded" him,and when he didn't have anything,he got punched in the face and his gold chain yanked off his neck.

In another, this guy was resisiting arrest and 2 policemen were beating him upside the head with a 2X4.

there's no reason for that to be going on

[HAL 9000 96]

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

if you read quite a few of the anti-illegal threads, you'd realize that the previous isn't a knee-jerk. the only knee-jerk around here is your post

Why?

I think if you have the capacity to follow an entire thread (without the usual interjection), you should also be able to notice the obsessive behavior some posters display- independent of the number of times others clarify things for them.

Isn't it funny how other countries have stricter immigration laws than ours but let us want to enforce the immigration laws and we're called a bunch of racists.

funny how that works, eh? and also be anti-illegal immigration and you're instantly a racist card carrying kkk member.

While the actual racists get their day abusing actual detainees- which is where the arguments have pointed to int he past. Again, knee-jerks get you logically nowhere.

According to some folks' logic, that doesn't matter.

Since illegal immigrants seem to be a popular target nowadays,abuses do occur.I am not sure about ICE,but I know some local policemen have a field day if they happen to pull an illegal immigrant over.

Well,in one case a policeman pulled over a man,"green carded" him,and when he didn't have anything,he got punched in the face and his gold chain yanked off his neck.

In another, this guy was resisiting arrest and 2 policemen were beating him upside the head with a 2X4.

Sick to say that could've happened to a legal as well.

there's no reason for that to be going on

But it does and it creates quite the quagmire when others are trying to enforce the law dutifully.