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Blowback From Bear-Baiting

by Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted 08/15/2008 ET

Mikheil Saakashvili's decision to use the opening of the Olympic Games to cover Georgia's invasion of its breakaway province of South Ossetia must rank in stupidity with Gamal Abdel-Nasser's decision to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships.

Nasser's blunder cost him the Sinai in the Six-Day War. Saakashvili's blunder probably means permanent loss of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

After shelling and attacking what he claims is his own country, killing scores of his own Ossetian citizens and sending tens of thousands fleeing into Russia, Saakashvili's army was whipped back into Georgia in 48 hours.

Vladimir Putin took the opportunity to kick the Georgian army out of Abkhazia, as well, to bomb Tbilisi and to seize Gori, birthplace of Stalin.

Reveling in his status as an intimate of George Bush, ####### Cheney and John McCain, and America's lone democratic ally in the Caucasus, Saakashvili thought he could get away with a lightning coup and present the world with a fait accompli.

Mikheil did not reckon on the rage or resolve of the Bear.

American charges of Russian aggression ring hollow. Georgia started this fight -- Russia finished it. People who start wars don't get to decide how and when they end.

Russia's response was "disproportionate" and "brutal," wailed Bush.

True. But did we not authorize Israel to bomb Lebanon for 35 days in response to a border skirmish where several Israel soldiers were killed and two captured? Was that not many times more "disproportionate"?

Russia has invaded a sovereign country, railed Bush. But did not the United States bomb Serbia for 78 days and invade to force it to surrender a province, Kosovo, to which Serbia had a far greater historic claim than Georgia had to Abkhazia or South Ossetia, both of which prefer Moscow to Tbilisi?

Is not Western hypocrisy astonishing?

When the Soviet Union broke into 15 nations, we celebrated. When Slovenia, Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Kosovo broke from Serbia, we rejoiced. Why, then, the indignation when two provinces, whose peoples are ethnically separate from Georgians and who fought for their independence, should succeed in breaking away?

Are secessions and the dissolution of nations laudable only when they advance the agenda of the neocons, many of who viscerally detest Russia?

That Putin took the occasion of Saakashvili's provocative and stupid stunt to administer an extra dose of punishment is undeniable. But is not Russian anger understandable? For years the West has rubbed Russia's nose in her Cold War defeat and treated her like Weimar Germany.

When Moscow pulled the Red Army out of Europe, closed its bases in Cuba, dissolved the evil empire, let the Soviet Union break up into 15 states, and sought friendship and alliance with the United States, what did we do?

American carpetbaggers colluded with Muscovite Scalawags to loot the Russian nation. Breaking a pledge to Mikhail Gorbachev, we moved our military alliance into Eastern Europe, then onto Russia's doorstep. Six Warsaw Pact nations and three former republics of the Soviet Union are now NATO members.

Bush, Cheney and McCain have pushed to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. This would require the United States to go to war with Russia over Stalin's birthplace and who has sovereignty over the Crimean Peninsula and Sebastopol, traditional home of Russia's Black Sea fleet.

When did these become U.S. vital interests, justifying war with Russia?

The United States unilaterally abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty because our technology was superior, then planned to site anti-missile defenses in Poland and the Czech Republic to defend against Iranian missiles, though Iran has no ICBMs and no atomic bombs. A Russian counter-offer to have us together put an anti-missile system in Azerbaijan was rejected out of hand.

We built a Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey to cut Russia out. Then we helped dump over regimes friendly to Moscow with democratic "revolutions" in Ukraine and Georgia, and tried to repeat it in Belarus.

Americans have many fine qualities. A capacity to see ourselves as others see us is not high among them.

Imagine a world that never knew Ronald Reagan, where Europe had opted out of the Cold War after Moscow installed those SS-20 missiles east of the Elbe. And Europe had abandoned NATO, told us to go home and become subservient to Moscow.

How would we have reacted if Moscow had brought Western Europe into the Warsaw Pact, established bases in Mexico and Panama, put missile defense radars and rockets in Cuba, and joined with China to build pipelines to transfer Mexican and Venezuelan oil to Pacific ports for shipment to Asia? And cut us out? If there were Russian and Chinese advisers training Latin American armies, the way we are in the former Soviet republics, how would we react? Would we look with bemusement on such Russian behavior?

For a decade, some of us have warned about the folly of getting into Russia's space and getting into Russia's face. The chickens of democratic imperialism have now come home to roost -- in Tbilisi.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?pri...es&id=28053

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Russia doesn't have any more moral credibility though - given their activities in Chechnya and refusal to acknowledge that provinces declaration of independence.

Painting the Russia as a victim of "western democratic imperialism" is similarly simplistic - they are a world power in their own right; and what we have seen at least over the last 10-15 years is an evolution of the cold war. They have imperial aspirations of their own - as does the US.

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Russia doesn't have any more moral credibility though - given their activities in Chechnya and refusal to acknowledge that provinces declaration of independence.

Painting the Russia as a victim of "western democratic imperialism" is similarly simplistic - they are a world power in their own right; and what we have seen at least over the last 10-15 years is an evolution of the cold war. They have imperial aspirations of their own - as does the US.

I don't see Russia as the aggrieved victim. They are just doing what they believe is in their own best interest. As the piece points out...it could have turned out differently had US policy toward Russia been different. Perhaps the moment was squandered. Who knows?

Moral credibility is in the eye of the beholder.

As Tolstoy once said: "Do what is necessary, and what you think you should, and whatever will be, will be."

That pretty much plays out all over the world for better or worst.

"Credibility in immigration policy can be summed up in one sentence: Those who should get in, get in; those who should be kept out, are kept out; and those who should not be here will be required to leave."

"...for the system to be credible, people actually have to be deported at the end of the process."

US Congresswoman Barbara Jordan (D-TX)

Testimony to the House Immigration Subcommittee, February 24, 1995

Filed: Other Country: United Kingdom
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Russia doesn't have any more moral credibility though - given their activities in Chechnya and refusal to acknowledge that provinces declaration of independence.

Painting the Russia as a victim of "western democratic imperialism" is similarly simplistic - they are a world power in their own right; and what we have seen at least over the last 10-15 years is an evolution of the cold war. They have imperial aspirations of their own - as does the US.

I don't see Russia as the aggrieved victim. They are just doing what they believe is in their own best interest. As the piece points out...it could have turned out differently had US policy toward Russia been different. Perhaps the moment was squandered. Who knows?

Moral credibility is in the eye of the beholder.

As Tolstoy once said: "Do what is necessary, and what you think you should, and whatever will be, will be."

That pretty much plays out all over the world for better or worst.

Yep - pretty much.

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: Moldova
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Excellent article, Pat! Always liked the guy, so brutally honest.

Chechnya was given a very wide autonomy in 1996, troops were withdrawn, they were left to rule themselves. What did they do? They started incursion into neighbouring territories in 1999. Look where they are today.

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There is no "eye of the beholder" -- there are victims. They are Abkhazians and South Ossetians.

There's so much damn propaganda being spewed people have no idea what to believe.

The situation with SO/Abkhazia mirrors the situation with Georgia breaking free from the Soviet Union. Both republics already broke free of Georgia, Georgia doesn't like it, so used the olympics to invade (incursion is the right word, as mentioned above). Russia, trying to make an ally or absolve them (which won't happen) back into the country, helped them out.

However, just because they are helping out doesn't mean the Russians are good in the Ossetian and Abkhazian eyes. They don't want to be a part of Georgia, they don't want to be a part of Russia. Russia isn't bombing them, Georgia is. Russia's response is way over the top, using Georgia's stupidity to try and turn their NATO bid against them. NATO countries don't want this to be like a near century ago when controversial alliances ended up setting off a chain which led to one country after another being pulled into war. It may not stop Georgia from being in NATO, but it just delayed it, if anything, that's for sure.

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