Mexico to honor Sen. Kennedy on (illegal) immigrant rights

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

As far as the US economy goes $23bn is not really a lot of money.

Then I guess you won't mind me slipping $20 out of your wallet every week then. After all, it's not a lot of money.

[peejay 327]

Fixating on one problem area as the 'solution' to all the ills of the US is rather delusional - particularly as no one knows the extent of the 'net loss/gain' that the illegal aliens contribute to the economy. Aside from that, who Mexico does and doesn't choose to honour, I don't think it necessarily computes that who Mexico honours, the US should hold in contempt.

Just by the by, the I-9 when used properly will prevent legitimate businesses from employing illegal aliens except when they produce accurate forgeries.

Then...why do Democrats like Kennedy block or subvert any attempt at employment verification? You won't see any left wing loonies supporting the SAVE Act or any other employment verification. You won't see any of the lunatic fringe supporting border security. Ditto for any attempt to deter illegal immigration at all. These nitwits only deter attempts to deter illegal immigration. I'm sure you know why.

The only issue loonies like Kennedy dwell on is rewarding illegal aliens with citizenship. Yes...it is very obvious why that ilk wants to import millions of beneficiaries to suck up on their pet gimme programs. Yes indeed.

How long does it take to figure out who benefits the most from that scenario. I can assure you it isn't most of the American people. Politicians derive their power through people that must go through them to get what they want.

If these people can't get Americans to buy into their lame socialist agenda for America they import people who will. That is so sick. Normal countries don't operate that way. Who ever said the Kennedys of the world are normal?

However, the corrupt bastards in the Mexican government love him. That sez it all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As far as the US economy goes $23bn is not really a lot of money.

Then I guess you won't mind me slipping $20 out of your wallet every week then. After all, it's not a lot of money.

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

[Ban Hammer 14,296]

send us your millions, we'll send you our billions.....

[peejay 327]

send us your millions, we'll send you our billions.....

That's the new motto that will go on The Statue of Thievery. There is already a statue for legal immigrants in NYC. LA would be a fitting place for the new statue to commemorate illegal aliens. Guess what foreign government will probably give it as a gift to the American people? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

[Ban Hammer 14,296]

send us your millions, we'll send you our billions.....

That's the new motto that will go on The Statue of Thievery. There is already a statue for legal immigrants in NYC. LA would be a fitting place for the new statue to commemorate illegal aliens. Guess what foreign government will probably give it as a gift to the American people? I'll give you 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.

and they'll send the workers to build it too.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yay, what fun!

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

As far as the US economy goes $23bn is not really a lot of money.

Then I guess you won't mind me slipping $20 out of your wallet every week then. After all, it's not a lot of money.

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

At least I have an opinion. Illegal immigration is wrong. Only the insane would post on a legal immigration board and support illegal immigration at the same time.

It's OK to admit you're wrong. It'll expand your mind.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As far as the US economy goes $23bn is not really a lot of money.

Then I guess you won't mind me slipping $20 out of your wallet every week then. After all, it's not a lot of money.

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

At least I have an opinion. Illegal immigration is wrong. Only the insane would post on a legal immigration board and support illegal immigration at the same time.

It's OK to admit you're wrong. It'll expand your mind.

Have I said any different...?

Or is it that you like to assume my opinion for me? How kind of you...

Guys like you need to open your ears and actually engage people in conversation, rather than jump to stupid conclusions.

[Ggreen 12]

As far as the US economy goes $23bn is not really a lot of money.

Then I guess you won't mind me slipping $20 out of your wallet every week then. After all, it's not a lot of money.

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

At least I have an opinion. Illegal immigration is wrong. Only the insane would post on a legal immigration board and support illegal immigration at the same time.

It's OK to admit you're wrong. It'll expand your mind.

Have I said any different...?

Or is it that you like to assume my opinion for me? How kind of you...

Guys like you need to open your ears and actually engage people in conversation, rather than jump to stupid conclusions.

Exactly, this proves it : http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;#entry2010840

[eric&gen 0]

fuke the Illegal Mexico immigrants send them all back home on a ship on a bus in a van packed.

[Heracles 417]

The illegal residents that use false social security numbers, etc actually pay more in income/FICA/Medicare taxes than they get in public benefits or assistance in return. Most don't file for tax refunds nor will they receive Social Security. That probably makes it all a wash or the USA comes out ahead.

The USA needs to fix the fact that so many jobs are farmed out overseas i.e. call centers in India, Philippines, Caribbean and also the US government permits H1-B visas for people coming in and do take many jobs from Americans that are more than capable. They farm out so many of the "desirable" jobs. Read the message boards on DICE.com a tech jobs site and you'll see what I mean by that.

The illegal residents mostly work in construction, agriculture, low level hospitality jobs. In some industries yes I do believe the wages are driven down by that, depending on the region. Is it right? That's debateable. Higher Wages would drive prices up in many daily-use goods and services (Homebuilding, food, clothing,) and the industries that are not the few that are filled by illegals would most likely not raise THEIR wages. (Secretarial, skilled labor, lower level managers, call centers, etc ) With much thanks to Mr Bush and the trillion dollar war, and with the price of oil causing the raise in prices already and causing the economy to be in the toilet, this country does not need an immigration reform decision that will cause even more of this kind of economic turmoil. If the US could find a way to let the undocumented workers have some kind of document/status/whatever...that would include their families, (spouses and children) then there would be less money being sent to Mexico and that money would be spent here.

The Mexican government is rightfully recognizing Senator Kennedy for his humanitarian stance on the subject. Legal or not these people are human beings and deserve to be treated as such.

The US does not need any low skilled workers. It has more than enough people that need work. If prices need to rise than so be it. Every American deserves the opportunity to find a job and receive a fair pay. Rather than living in trailer parks and ghettos.

The majority of illegal immigrants are paid under the table. So little to no tax is paid. Don't give me this ####### that they do not use any services because anyone I speak to who works for a county talks about the millions they spend on illegal immigrants, especially educating their children for free.

[Heracles 417]

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

Yet you and PH have the nerve to talk about logic. Where an American tourist spend the money is irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting all Americans travel overseas. Which is nice assumption considering less than 30% of Americans have passports. But I am sure if anyone else made the same statement about how Americans spend their money you would ask for proof.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Why would you do that?

You can't accept a simple point that:

1) American tourist spending overseas dwarfs that figure?

2) That its a drop in the ocean in the overall picture of the US economy

3) That probably more money than this is wasted by government bureaucrats, or flows through the coffers of organised crime

Gosh. Imagine that.

Dude - if you're going to pick an argument at least get a bit of perspective, instead of your silly blanket outrage.

Yet you and PH have the nerve to talk about logic.

Oohh.... The NERVE. What's illogical about that?

Perhaps because you continue to fixate on a relatively trivial sum of money - as though having it back will magically fix everything?

Where an American tourist spend the money is irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting all Americans travel overseas. Which is nice assumption considering less than 30% of Americans have passports. But I am sure if anyone else made the same statement about how Americans spend their money you would ask for proof.

Why? My point was simply that in the scheme of things $24bn isn't that much money, relatively speaking.

Seems perfectly relavant to the argument I was making. And to clarify "how" they spend their money is not the same as "where" they spend it.