Comic draws charges of racism

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

sambo ... a once common slave name

speedy gonzales ... a fast mouse named gonzales who got the girls and saved the day

speedy is not the one in the cartoon to be upset about. the depiction of the other characters (lazy, womanizing, drinking mice) should be of more concern.

Visit Speedy Gonzales. The League of United Latin American Citizens has an interesting POV about the "stereotype" for which you're concerned.

I'm not concerned about it - I'm just pointing out what is clearly obvious. As I say though - I'm less bothered by imagery than if the general portrayal is negative.

You need only look at some of the old 50's Hollywood westerns to see that - where Native Americans were almost always made out to be the villains.

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

Obvious stereotype ... "Speedy's cleverness and energetic personality was a positive depiction of Mexicans" Speedy Gonzales

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

Edited July 8, 2008 by Number 6

[Saddle Bronc 124]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

Except, in this case MEXICAN stereotype of themselves.

[pedroh 21]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

sambo ... a once common slave name

speedy gonzales ... a fast mouse named gonzales who got the girls and saved the day

speedy is not the one in the cartoon to be upset about. the depiction of the other characters (lazy, womanizing, drinking mice) should be of more concern.

Visit Speedy Gonzales. The League of United Latin American Citizens has an interesting POV about the "stereotype" for which you're concerned.

I'm not concerned about it - I'm just pointing out what is clearly obvious. As I say though - I'm less bothered by imagery than if the general portrayal is negative.

You need only look at some of the old 50's Hollywood westerns to see that - where Native Americans were almost always made out to be the villains.

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

Obvious stereotype ... "Speedy's cleverness and energetic personality was a positive depiction of Mexicans" Speedy Gonzales

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

my short month I worked in a mcdonalds, one of the shift managers drove me crazy, because to speed up people he'd start yelling andale andale arriba.. i was so close to kick his #######.. i complained and he stop.. should have sued teh mofo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

Except, in this case MEXICAN stereotype of themselves.

You guys keep missing my point...

I have no particular problem with Speedy Gonzales.

[DairyFarmer 1]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

In Aus all references to golliwogs was pc'd. Noddy received the same treatment. None of us as children knew the difference.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

In Aus all references to golliwogs was pc'd. Noddy received the same treatment. None of us as children knew the difference.

That happened in the UK too - The Noddy stories were basically rewritten to edit out the Golliwog character. Up until 2001 Robertsons jam (I think you can get that in Aus) had that thing with the collectible Golly badges.

[natty bumppo 297]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

[pedroh 21]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

ah not in Mexico... no.. there's no connotation of slavery..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

I've not read Sambo - so I can't comment on it specifically. But if Pedroh's description is correct - then sure.

[DairyFarmer 1]

The Golliwog was in English children's literature for nearly 100 years...

yes,, as the article says, we don't have a 'sambo' character in Mexico, nor the derogatory connotation of it.. Memin Pinguin (his name) is a rogueish street smart character, but always with a morale at the end of the story, promoting good values and such..

I agree that nowadays and specially in the US, it's not a good idea, but fukc.. people don't see a problem with speedy gonzalez, I don't see a problem with Memin Pinguin either..

a mouse vs a person ?

Person or no - it is a cartoon character that reflects obvious stereotypes of Mexican people.

In Aus all references to golliwogs was pc'd. Noddy received the same treatment. None of us as children knew the difference.

That happened in the UK too - The Noddy stories were basically rewritten to edit out the Golliwog character. Up until 2001 Robertsons jam (I think you can get that in Aus) had that thing with the collectible Golly badges.

Much to my delight over the last 2 years surprisingly Golliwogs and Noddy have quietly been making a comeback in stores. I think until someone over reacts the next gen of children may again have some enjoyment.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

ah not in Mexico... no.. there's no connotation of slavery..

Presumably the connotation is added by virtue of the comic being filtered through an American cultural perspective. Quite simply - some things don't translate well when transplanted to other countries.

Not quite the same but in Japan - a clown is synonymous with Death. So McDonalds doesn't use Ronald McDonald to advertise their products (in short - it would be like The Grim Reaper advertising their food).

[natty bumppo 297]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

I've not read Sambo - so I can't comment on it specifically. But if Pedroh's description is correct - then sure.

for mexico ... but last I checked the article was about the books on the shelves in Houston stores and the reaction to the books.

btw: "sambo" is more than a book

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

I've not read Sambo - so I can't comment on it specifically. But if Pedroh's description is correct - then sure.

for mexico ... but last I checked the article was about the books on the shelves in Houston stores and the reaction to the books.

btw: "sambo" is more than a book

I'm sure it is.

Which is also why I said that some things don't translate well into other countries and cultures - precisely because other, negative associations can be inferred.

Pedroh said at the outset that bringing the comic to the US probably wasn't a good idea - for that reason.

[natty bumppo 297]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

I've not read Sambo - so I can't comment on it specifically. But if Pedroh's description is correct - then sure.

for mexico ... but last I checked the article was about the books on the shelves in Houston stores and the reaction to the books.

btw: "sambo" is more than a book

I'm sure it is.

Which is also why I said that some things don't translate well into other countries and cultures - precisely because other, negative associations can be inferred.

Pedroh said at the outset that bringing the comic to the US probably wasn't a good idea - for that reason.

good to see you are less bothered about imagery than the general portrayal ... and old 50's hollywood westerns

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Any cartoon character showing a Mexican wearing a sombrero and going "arriba!" is stereotypical to some extent, regardless of whether the other characters in the cartoon reflect those stereotypes to a greater or lesser degree.

That the League of United Latin American Citizens makes a distinction in regards to the Speedy character itself goes back to what I was saying about imagery being less important than the overall depiction.

like sambo on the cover of a comic book ... that imagery is less important than the content and has no immediate "derogatory connotation" of slavery ...etc

I've not read Sambo - so I can't comment on it specifically. But if Pedroh's description is correct - then sure.

for mexico ... but last I checked the article was about the books on the shelves in Houston stores and the reaction to the books.

btw: "sambo" is more than a book

I'm sure it is.

Which is also why I said that some things don't translate well into other countries and cultures - precisely because other, negative associations can be inferred.

Pedroh said at the outset that bringing the comic to the US probably wasn't a good idea - for that reason.

good to see you are less bothered about imagery than the general portrayal ... and old 50's hollywood westerns

Did I say something funny?