Hispanic Dems warn Obama he risks losing Latinos

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

otro voto para Obama!

Daniel

[Marlita 1]

I'm sorry to say but hearing and reading stuff like this makes "Latinos" look very ignorant. I know that this is a huge ploy from the media to marginalize latinos, and for some reason latinos dont seem to get it. They're been used as Pawns in this Chess game of the USA. Yes there may be alot of Latinos here and the population is growing....but they are still merely Pawns!! The move where media tells them to move...think how media tells them to think and its so ignorant. I know that many people may be illegal yet have legal family members....however I feel like no one sees that the illegal group have absoulutely no smarts when it comes to the structure and organization of the US. Which of course they wouldn't there new here! So who and why would anyone listen to them. They have yet to learn how to play the game in the US. I don't expect to go to a foreign country illegaly and demand citizenship just cause I have family there or I been living there for awhile. How arrogant is that?! And I surely dont expect to go to a foreign country that has its own internal social and political issues and expect them to cater to me...especially if I am not even there legally.

There's just no respect and pure ignorance coming from the demands of said illegal groups. NO ONE in this country will honor a single request from them until they learn some respect of the country they want to become citzens of. So if they want to vote for Obama or not....no one gives a HOT MESS....the country moves on with or without them and if they are willing to throw their own ethnic group under the bus...I say DO IT. You hurt no one but yourselves.

[pedroh 21]

I'm sorry to say but hearing and reading stuff like this makes "Latinos" look very ignorant. I know that this is a huge ploy from the media to marginalize latinos, and for some reason latinos dont seem to get it. They're been used as Pawns in this Chess game of the USA. Yes there may be alot of Latinos here and the population is growing....but they are still merely Pawns!! The move where media tells them to move...think how media tells them to think and its so ignorant. I know that many people may be illegal yet have legal family members....however I feel like no one sees that the illegal group have absoulutely no smarts when it comes to the structure and organization of the US. Which of course they wouldn't there new here! So who and why would anyone listen to them. They have yet to learn how to play the game in the US. I don't expect to go to a foreign country illegaly and demand citizenship just cause I have family there or I been living there for awhile. How arrogant is that?! And I surely dont expect to go to a foreign country that has its own internal social and political issues and expect them to cater to me...especially if I am not even there legally.

There's just no respect and pure ignorance coming from the demands of said illegal groups. NO ONE in this country will honor a single request from them until they learn some respect of the country they want to become citzens of. So if they want to vote for Obama or not....no one gives a HOT MESS....the country moves on with or without them and if they are willing to throw their own ethnic group under the bus...I say DO IT. You hurt no one but yourselves.

ah.. latinos are the biggest spending group right now in the US.. and.. ask retail, they've honored every single request from them, from bilingual people, to complete advertising campaigns in spanish... si no, vaya a Home Depot a ver las grandes ofertas para este 4 de julio!

i'd say, don't underestimate the 'ignorant' latino population...

[PlatyPius 5]

It doesn't matter what the "latinos" think.....they can't vote, cuz they're all illegal.

"si no, vaya a Home Depot a ver las grandes ofertas para este 4 de julio!"

Something about going to Home Depot for the big sale/offers on July 4th? (My Spanish is very rusty...)

[pedroh 21]

It doesn't matter what the "latinos" think.....they can't vote, cuz they're all illegal.

"si no, vaya a Home Depot a ver las grandes ofertas para este 4 de julio!"

Something about going to Home Depot for the big sale/offers on July 4th? (My Spanish is very rusty...)

very good platy! lolol.. yeah, you're actually right, most of the latinos who want the amnesty can't vote, so it really doesn't matter if they want to support Obama or not, because, well, they are not citizens, not even residents.. but then the relatives, sons and daughters of those illegals who were born here, want to make sure their parents can stay, and if they are indeed able to vote, are concerned about how can it affect their relatives status.. so some industries.. and I'm not talking about 'those jobs americans won't do'.. but if something as a massive deportation occurs, there would be a collapse, even if people say no.. construction is comprised of about 90% hispanic workfoce.. I can't imagine what'd happen if one day they don't go to work, I don't predict an end-of-the world kind of situation, but it'd certainly stop the country, in one way or another.. and no, I'm not saying that's why the illegals have to stay, I'm just saying it could happen..

besides, latinos, like it or not, feel solidarized with the illegal latino immigrants (maybe not the cubans), because at the end, if there's a measure to find and deport illegals, it'll somehow affect the legal latinos, yea, some people will say 'if you are legal, then what are you afraid of?'.. well, why would legal residents have to live through that.. plus, even here, I see comments of 'i see a lot of illegals live there', just because they speak mainly spanish.. ignorance is a big problem to sort out first, before finding correct measures to deport or control immigration

about the home depot.. I was just remarking how a lot of businesses are indeed catering to the 'ignorant latino' needs.. and not only retail, go to a 'oficina de seguro social' or 'edificio de gobierno'.. so.. they are indeed 'honoring' them..

[HAL 9000 96]

Pollsters need to stop referring to Hispanics/Latinos as if we were some homogenous group. We are not. The reason that Hispanics in Florida vote differently than Hispanics in NY, for example, is because we come from different countries and have different political priorities. The majority of Hispanics in Florida, for example, are Cubans and Cuban-Americans who lean Republican.

And even that is a changing demographic, with South Florida getting more South Americans and Central Florida getting many Puerto Ricans. Throw in snowbird latinos from New York and Jersey and Florida stops being so Republican.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Except on certain wedge issues, demographics seem to go all over the place as indicated during the Primaries. Hillary's camp understood this which is why they decided to use the Rovian, 'divide and conquer' strategy, which actually worked to her advantage, however, it also alienated her from a majority of Blacks in this country who were turned off by it.

[HAL 9000 96]

More than just Blacks... all around alienation from voters more interested in actual policy change.

[pedroh 21]

More than just Blacks... all around alienation from voters more interested in actual policy change.

yup

[zqt3344 21]

Hey why do you think Ovomit hired the traitor to Clinton campaign, Pattie Doyle Solis for, to shore up his Latin shortcomings. Latinos will vote Republican, like they always do.

Hispanic Dems warn Obama he risks losing Latinos

By Jared Allen

Posted: 06/11/08 07:48 PM [ET]

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) must commit to helping illegal immigrants achieve citizenship or else risk losing the vital Latino vote in the general election, Hispanic Democratic lawmakers are warning.

If he does not promise so-called comprehensive immigration reform, the lawmakers say, the only other way to win over Hispanic supporters of his erstwhile rival, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), may be to pick her as his running mate.

Obama’s National Latino Vote Director, Cuauhtemoc “Temo” Figueroa, will have his first meeting in Washington Thursday with members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus (CHC).

They carefully avoided calling explicitly for Clinton’s selection as the party’s vice presidential nominee, but some indicated that her bond with Latino voters will get them to the polls in November, just as it drew them into the primaries.

“Hillary holds the entire Latino community in the palm of her hand,” said. Rep. José Serrano (D-N.Y.), whose district went heavily for Clinton.

But Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), Obama’s Republican opponent, is also liked by Latinos. He co-sponsored with Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) the immigration bill that the CHC is demanding, which would put the country’s 12 million illegal immigrants on a path to citizenship. And he did not buckle under pressure to abandon that position during the GOP primary.

Cecilia Munoz, the senior vice president of research, advocacy and legislation with the National Council of La Raza, said whether McCain can win over large enough numbers of Latino voters is “still an open question.”

“But Latinos are brand-loyal, and after the Clinton brand, the McCain brand is the second-strongest among Latinos because of his military service and his immigration record,” Munoz said.

CHC Chairman Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) said that if Obama chooses someone other than Clinton, it will not be a deal-breaker for Latinos.

“But I hope he does make the right decision and picks someone who draws together our communities,” Baca said. “Is that Hillary? I think she’s certainly one of those candidates.”

While Obama won the Latino vote in his home state of Illinois and in Colorado, and stayed competitive in New Mexico and Arizona, he was walloped among Latinos — 64 percent to 24 — throughout the 24 contests making up Super Tuesday. In California, Clinton won over Latinos 67 percent to 29.

Latino voters comprised 30 percent of California Democratic primary voters, an increase of 17 percent from 2004. In Texas, the number of Latinos voting in the Democratic primary rose 8 percent, to 32 percent of the electorate, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.

In harnessing such enthusiasm, Baca also said that the CHC will be looking — but not necessarily asking — for Obama to make as strong of a pledge as Clinton did to putting comprehensive immigration reform on his “first 100 days” agenda.

“He says he wants to, but he needs to show that he’s serious about taking it up.”

Obama’s campaign coordinator for Spanish-language media, Vince Casillas, said that while Obama has promised to take up immigration reform in his first year in office, he has not yet laid out his detailed plan for comprehensive reform.

“As soon as he’s ready and has a plan in place, he’ll announce it,” Casillas said.

In the Florida Republican primary, where Latinos made up 12 percent of the total vote and where McCain edged out Romney by only 4 percentage points, the Arizona senator won 54 percent of the Latino vote compared to Romney’s 14 percent.

And many Republicans remember that it was in 2004 when 40 percent of Latino voters abandoned the Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry (Mass.), to vote for President Bush, Munoz said.

Munoz called 2004 the Democrats’ “low-water mark” in pulling in Latino support. The “high-water mark,” she said, came in 1996, the last time a Clinton was on the ticket.

And even longtime Obama backers in the CHC — including Reps. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) and Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.) — said that Obama has a lot of work to do in drumming up support among Latinos who are still fiercely loyal to Clinton.

“I have encouraged the [Obama] campaign for a year now that retail politics is very important to us, but they don’t yet seem to have gotten the message,” Gutierrez said. “We really need to see more of that from him.”

Becerra said that once he gets out there, Obama will be a “natural at connecting with the Latino community,” but he acknowledged that more outreach is needed.

“And first and foremost, the discussion will need to be about how to reach out to the Clinton supporters and then [get] them incorporated into his campaign.”

Baca said that if Obama fails to do that, and fails to give his “strongest types of surrogates” in the Latino community the ammunition they need to help seal support for his candidacy, the record Latino turnout that was seen in the primaries could disappear.

“We have a tendency to not go to the polls to vote,” Baca said. “[The CHC] can help get them out to vote, and it’ll make a big difference. But in the end it’s up to him.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/hispan...2008-06-11.html

[HAL 9000 96]

More than just Blacks... all around alienation from voters more interested in actual policy change.

yup

Comunista.

[pedroh 21]

depends which latinos.. the florida latinos will probly do, the nuyoricans don't vote rep that often..

[HAL 9000 96]

Latinos will vote Republican, like they always do. whistling.gif

Got proof?

Insanity is not a defense.

[pedroh 21]

yea.. plus the latinos of cali wont vote the same as the latinos of NC or NY.. so it's hard to tell.. can't say all latinos are gonna vote the same..

[HAL 9000 96]

yea.. plus the latinos of cali wont vote the same as the latinos of NC or NY.. so it's hard to tell.. can't say all latinos are gonna vote the same..

Claro que no. Some will vote McCain. Most will vote Obama.