Fake documents for illegal aliens swamp Houston

[Heracles 417]

And neither is giving people the option to receive funding in exchange for national service (Marxism involves very different methods of treating socioeconomics, not running a government or a nation beyond socioeconomics). I mean, we already do it to a limited scale with some professions and it works well enough to shift into the big time.

It is not Marxism. Marxism is a failed concept. If you are talking about a hybrid socialistic / capitalistic system; then we can talk. But the catch 22 is the socialistic governments are incompatible with a US style constitution. Socialism is about the community. The Constitution is about individualism.

[Mononoke28 137]

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Don't put words in my mouth , I care about poor Americans just as anybody. Like I said earlier, it's about human beings, people before anything else. You also have to keep in mind that US Citizens have it much easier to find a job and work legally for a living and to be honest with you I don't buy the excuse of ""I don't have a job because all the illegals have them". Puh-lease.

Diana

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The only American citizens I know who don't have jobs are students and skill-less losers.

[natty bumppo 297]

don't feel that way at all ... just enjoying the "pearls of wisdom" being bestowed on the common folk

Enjoy them all you want since you have brought the pen to write the wise words in your notebook.

Besides, like its been stated plainly, the common folk here are the ones doing the defending from senseless, snide, and dehumanizing language that lends credence to very stupid expressions that fail to resolve the problem from any point of view.

this thread will resolve the problem ...

Edited May 7, 2008 by Natty Bumppo

[shadtov 0]

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I think that sometimes people think that Latin America, and Mexico in particular, is all Cancun and Puerto Vallarta. There is abject poverty. People are willing to risk their lives not because they want to buy a tv for their living rooms; they risk their lives in order to buy basic food staples and provide shelter for their families. Even if you travel just across the san diego border you see people living in conditions that are abominable.

That's not to say that there aren't Americans living in unacceptable conditions. We have to fight to make their lives better as well. However, blaming one group does jack for the other.

[Heracles 417]

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Where do you get the idea Diana is turning her back against poor Americans? And she sympathizes because her own circumstances.

Quite simple actually. You cannot have your cake and eat it as well. You are either all for providing opportunities for the poor in America or you are for providing opportunities for the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants here.

Don't put words in my mouth , I care about poor Americans just as anybody. Like I said earlier, it's about human beings, people before anything else. You also have to keep in mind that US Citizens have it much easier to find a job and work legally for a living and to be honest with you I don't buy the excuse of ""I don't have a job because all the illegals have them". Puh-lease.

Diana

Edited May 7, 2008 by Boo-Yah!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I think that sometimes people think that Latin America, and Mexico in particular, is all Cancun and Puerto Vallarta. There is abject poverty. People are willing to risk their lives not because they want to buy a tv for their living rooms; they risk their lives in order to buy basic food staples and provide shelter for their families. Even if you travel just across the san diego border you see people living in conditions that are abominable.

That's not to say that there aren't Americans living in unacceptable conditions. We have to fight to make their lives better as well. However, blaming one group does jack for the other.

Do you have statistics?

Oh and Diane - my bad. I didn't check your profile and assumed you were Mexican.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

In my opinion it's not what is right or wrong, to me it's basically about people, human nature and about whatever they have to do to survive. We tried the legal way, oh belieeeeve me we tried. We were denied time and time again. So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally. I'm glad we chose the latter and who cares what other people think. So if I see a group of illegal workers breaking their backs to gather onions, or lettuce, or oranges to feed their families, more power to them. Yes I said it, and yes I'm proud of it, and yes I know what you're going to say so save it, it won't make me change my mind.

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Where do you get the idea Diana is turning her back against poor Americans? And she sympathizes because her own circumstances.

Quite simple actually. You cannot have your cake and eat it as well. You are either all for providing opportunities for the poor in America or you are for providing opportunities for the 20,000,000 illegal immigrants here.

Oh, so it's all or nothing mentality, eh? I think the issue is way more complex than this.

And again, where do you get the idea Diana is against poor Americans?

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

So that basically sums it up. Your stance is one on emotion rather than logic or common sense. You sympathize for these people yet turn your back against the millions of Americas living in poverty. You sympathize for their hardship yet disregard the thousand of American who are victims of crimes at the hands of illegal immigrants each and every year.

Then to sum it up you throw in a who cares comment. Americas care and should care. It is their country after all. I care because right is right and wrong is wrong.

Don't put words in my mouth , I care about poor Americans just as anybody. Like I said earlier, it's about human beings, people before anything else. You also have to keep in mind that US Citizens have it much easier to find a job and work legally for a living and to be honest with you I don't buy the excuse of ""I don't have a job because all the illegals have them". Puh-lease.

Diana

Sister Diana,

Next time you post another comment like that, I'll brand you as an un-patriotic american, (you are a US citizen right?) strip you from your nationality and call ICE on you! I'm sick of all these funny looking foreigners trying to steal our country! Billy Booob! bring the gaad dang shotgun! and call the sheriff, it's time to take back our country gaaad darnnn it! and bring ma' shutgun do not forget boyyyy!

Betty Sue, get outta the trailer! We have an important business in our hands, these darn Mexiceeens are stealing our jobs and taking our welfare away!

Edited May 7, 2008 by GueraYTavo

[natty bumppo 297]

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I think that sometimes people think that Latin America, and Mexico in particular, is all Cancun and Puerto Vallarta. There is abject poverty. People are willing to risk their lives not because they want to buy a tv for their living rooms; they risk their lives in order to buy basic food staples and provide shelter for their families. Even if you travel just across the san diego border you see people living in conditions that are abominable.

That's not to say that there aren't Americans living in unacceptable conditions. We have to fight to make their lives better as well. However, blaming one group does jack for the other.

the "opportunities" should start here with USC and people who are legally here in the US. The illegals ... sorry ... you broke the law to be here ....

[Heracles 417]

What do you mean emotion? She lived through it. In any logical argument, she is well-qualified to argue based on actual experience, unlike others.

Big ####. South Americans are not the only poor in the world. Why should they take a spot that could have been given to someone poor from another nation? That is what legal immigration is all about;Balanced migration.

Talk about racism. Maybe they feel they are better and more deserving than other immigrants.

[Ban Hammer 14,189]

[Mononoke28 137]

I'm all about love, I don't take one side over the other. Even you Crocodile Dundee, it's all good, it's all love. Legal, illegal, rich, poor, white, black, Indian, Afghan, Chinese, I got nothing but love for ya.

And Tavo, don't you be bringing up Billy Bob into this he'll send you back to Mexico in no time, legal or not.

Diana

[shadtov 0]

So either we don't eat and don't get an education or come here illegally.

Any statistics on starvation in Mexico?

I think that sometimes people think that Latin America, and Mexico in particular, is all Cancun and Puerto Vallarta. There is abject poverty. People are willing to risk their lives not because they want to buy a tv for their living rooms; they risk their lives in order to buy basic food staples and provide shelter for their families. Even if you travel just across the san diego border you see people living in conditions that are abominable.

That's not to say that there aren't Americans living in unacceptable conditions. We have to fight to make their lives better as well. However, blaming one group does jack for the other.

the "opportunities" should start here with USC and people who are legally here in the US. The illegals ... sorry ... you broke the law to be here ....

I can't remember the statistics on this one. Something about how a small percentage of americans make a majority of the money in the US. Anyone know the numbers?

This is what makes them happy, keeping those of us who are not wealthy fighting over the scraps they throw down to us. As long as we keep fighting each other nothing real ever happens. It's all about the art of distraction.

[Heracles 417]

Sister Diana,

Next time you post another comment like that, I'll brand you as an un-patriotic american, (you are a US citizen right?) strip you from your nationality and call ICE on you! I'm sick of all these funny looking foreigners trying to steal our country! Billy Booob! bring the gaad dang shotgun! and call the sheriff, it's time to take back our country gaaad darnnn it! and bring ma' shutgun do not forget boyyyy!

Betty Sue, get outta the trailer! We have an important business in our hands, these darn Mexiceeens are stealing our jobs and taking our welfare away!

That is quite stupid to say in such a diverse nation such as the US.

But hey you are right. These are good honest people.

Here is a good example of the outcome of the last Amnesty: