Honeywell laying off 420 in Phoenix, moving jobs to S. Asia

[Dan J 277]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

[Donna A 4]

why should we have to move overseas just to have a job?

[William33 110]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

why should we have to move overseas just to have a job?

Absolutely!!! But, then again, I doubt that Honeywell (or any other large corporation) really cares what happens to its workers...

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Their workers were too expensive to keep...why employ someone who makes more in a day than someone else does in a month?

[Dan J 277]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

Edited February 29, 2008 by Dan + Gemvita

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

See "Wal-Mart: the High Cost of Low Price".....

[William33 110]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

Agreed with the exception of the highlighted portion. Companies are interested in bolstering profits at any expense. The human factor plays a very minor role in business...as they say, it's just business.

[Dan J 277]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

Agreed with the exception of the highlighted portion. Companies are interested in bolstering profits at any expense. The human factor plays a very minor role in business...as they say, it's just business.

That part is more driven by the Wal-mart factor. Which expects its suppliers to continue cuttings costs on its products. But it is to help drive up profits for Wal-mart.

[greeneyedgirlfl 0]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

Agreed with the exception of the highlighted portion. Companies are interested in bolstering profits at any expense. The human factor plays a very minor role in business...as they say, it's just business.

That part is more driven by the Wal-mart factor. Which expects its suppliers to continue cuttings costs on its products. But it is to help drive up profits for Wal-mart.

Which is why I have not stepped into a Wal-Mart for 5 years...

[William33 110]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

Right. Most products we buy are made somewhere else. Most of those people who would be working relatively well paying factory jobs, are now working in very low paying service jobs. While this is just one company, its been a trend that has been going on for years.

Its a self-reinforcing cycle as well. A few companies leave to save some money, the workers left behind end up in lower paying jobs and want to buy lower cost products. More companies leave to cut costs and deliver lower prices and so on.

Agreed with the exception of the highlighted portion. Companies are interested in bolstering profits at any expense. The human factor plays a very minor role in business...as they say, it's just business.

That part is more driven by the Wal-mart factor. Which expects its suppliers to continue cuttings costs on its products. But it is to help drive up profits for Wal-mart.

Yeah, Wal-mart....I forgot about that beast.

[kaydee457 13]

Kudos to Honeywell for having the foresight to get out while 'da gettens good'......

It'll be a lot worse with either Obama or Clinton in office.....Dem congress, and Dem senate!~ Yep, ideal!

We should expect many more to jump ship in the future.

Oh well, it's all America's fault anyways........

Edited February 29, 2008 by kaydee457

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I think what we could do in the Honeywell situation is simply tax companies who move jobs to other countries and use that money to retrain those people who are disadvantaged by the change.

What about the expatriate opportunities created overseas for Americans? In this example, the principles on the ground in Malaysia and Indonesia will be expatriates. Income opportunities that are free of US taxation up to $80k. As an American, that is the type of job I have had and continue to seek. Americans don't always lose in scenarios like this.

Not just anybody would get hired for a job like that. Most of the people that lost their jobs in this situation are probably not qualified to take the jobs that they would hire or relocate expats for.

Agreed. The majority, if not all those laid off will lose. I am speaking of the potential for American jobs overseas, as opposed to the huge number of American company products made in overseas sweat shops and shipped here.

Best example: Levi's Jeans. Not one factory exists in the US.

Does anyone take note of the "origin" of the products they buy everyday? Most items are manufactured in China. There is a bigger issue here than a "few" jobs being eliminated by one company. Where are all the factories that produced good product at home?

There are some products that say, 'Made in the USA'. When I was in Home Depot the other day looking for a wrench, I noticed the ones made in the states were a couple of dollars more, but I thought it's worth paying the extra money.

[Zil 1]

Kudos to Honeywell for having the foresight to get out while 'da gettens good'......

It'll be a lot worse with either Obama or Clinton in office.....Dem congress, and Dem senate!~ Yep, ideal!

We should expect many more to jump ship in the future.

Oh well, it's all America's fault anyways........

Can that be worse than under the current administration? His policies ruined everything in the last 7 years. The dollar is a POJ, the country is loosing its world dominance, prices are shooting up, a recession is almost certain.....

Edited February 29, 2008 by Zil

[Reba 2]

And yet Georgie says it is not.

This is nothing new really. Here in North Carolina where 9 of every 10 epeople used to be employed in the furniture manufacturing business, now are standing in line at the Employment office, and in the front lobby of the ONE remaining US manufacturer in town. Where I work. Most recently Henredon laid off 500+ people and closed up shop and sent all the manufacturing overseas. They kept on less than 20 office employees to work the "business" end of it. Less than half of the plant workers were offered jobs at other smaller Hendredon plants, but they wouldn't pay for them to move (and folks from around here don't move around very well. Some folks have never even been to Charlotte, and its only an hour and a half away!) Nevermind moving anyone overseas! Ain't gonna happen.

And most other furniture manufacturers who 10 years ago used to run 3 shifts 7 days a week, are now down to 1 shift for 4 days or 3 days per week. So most folks here even if they DO have a job, are seriously underemployed and flat broke. And there's just no other jobs within easy reach. Not even McDonald's or Wendy's or or or...those jobs are filled up by the teens and tweens.

When a long held tradition of industry leaves town as it has here in North Carolina, people just don't know what to do with themselves. Most of them at Henredon had only ever worked at Henredon, since they quit or finished highschool. Now they're 50 somethings with no other prospects. Its really quite depressing to be here. I feel for the folks at Honeywell.