Saudi Arabia to execute woman for 'witchcraft'

[Amby 490]

love not hate VJ! today is the day to celebrate love! (unless you're in saudi arabia)

[Peikko 1,575]

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I am sorry what I say makes you angry but you are trying to equate christianity to human rights. They are simply not the same thing.

PH.... Can I have your autograph???? :thumbs: :thumbs:

Pretending any religious covenant is all-encompassing of human rights (and wrongs) is, in my opinion, quite a fundamentalist view. People's belief systems are so diverse, that no one can really claim to hold the truth and nothing BUT the truth. but then again, I am a Liberal, so I guess I should just be shot.

I said I got MY human rights views from my faith. What others do is their business. My God taught be that all men are equal and that you should treat others as you would want to be treated. Do you have a different idea of what human rights are?

Gary,

Indeed, that was precisely my point: YOU got YOUR idea of human rights from the Bible. Good! Others got THEIR idea from Native American spirituality. Others got it from Utopianism. Others more from the Coran, the Torah, and other 'sacred' texts. My thought is: none of these conceptions can seriously claim to be absolute and all-encompassing -- unless it is really a "you're with us our you're against us" discourse; case in which I retire from the discussion.

Some of my thoughts on what human rights are, just to name a few:

The RIGHT to access proper medical care - for ALL.

The RIGHT to access good schooling, with high academic standards (and perhaps less sporty ####### that has nothing to do with expanding your mind)

The RIGHT to marry who you love: be it of the opposite or the same sex.

The RIGHT to vote.

and yes, with this comes responsibilities:

to pay taxes

to volunteer and give back to your community

to be involved in issues that affect you and those less fortunate than you

to express yourself and be part of civic disobedience (non-violent).

And last but not least, conceptions of human rights are always culturally bound. And at least I don't see anywhere in my resume a line that qualifies me to trash other people's beliefs, commitments to their faith and practices. I am not God. I'm just another nerd.

Peace, L.

[GaryC 7]

I am sorry what I say makes you angry but you are trying to equate christianity to human rights. They are simply not the same thing.

PH.... Can I have your autograph???? :thumbs: :thumbs:

Pretending any religious covenant is all-encompassing of human rights (and wrongs) is, in my opinion, quite a fundamentalist view. People's belief systems are so diverse, that no one can really claim to hold the truth and nothing BUT the truth. but then again, I am a Liberal, so I guess I should just be shot.

I said I got MY human rights views from my faith. What others do is their business. My God taught be that all men are equal and that you should treat others as you would want to be treated. Do you have a different idea of what human rights are?

Gary,

Indeed, that was precisely my point: YOU got YOUR idea of human rights from the Bible. Good! Others got THEIR idea from Native American spirituality. Others got it from Utopianism. Others more from the Coran, the Torah, and other 'sacred' texts. My thought is: none of these conceptions can seriously claim to be absolute and all-encompassing -- unless it is really a "you're with us our you're against us" discourse; case in which I retire from the discussion.

Some of my thoughts on what human rights are, just to name a few:

The RIGHT to access proper medical care - for ALL.

The RIGHT to access good schooling, with high academic standards (and perhaps less sporty ####### that has nothing to do with expanding your mind)

The RIGHT to marry who you love: be it of the opposite or the same sex.

The RIGHT to vote.

and yes, with this comes responsibilities:

to pay taxes

to volunteer and give back to your community

to be involved in issues that affect you and those less fortunate than you

to express yourself and be part of civic disobedience (non-violent).

And last but not least, conceptions of human rights are always culturally bound. And at least I don't see anywhere in my resume a line that qualifies me to trash other people's beliefs, commitments to their faith and practices. I am not God. I'm just another nerd.

Peace, L.

I was countering PH's idea that Human Rights only come from the UN. What you post there are political rights and not human rights. They are very different things.

[Peikko 1,575]

Gary, you are not countering it at all. As I said, I am not, nor was I ever, stating that people through out the ages haven't been able to make applaudable decisions that have been based on notions of right and wrong nor did the idea of human rights just spring out of a vacume. However, the UDHR is a comprehensive statement of what is and what isn't acceptable behaviour by individuals and goverments that is applicable regardless of your religions persuasion or indeed if you have none at all.

The UDHR is quite definitely a unique and new concept that can only exist as a universally applicable set of rights if you have an independant body that adjudicates those rights. What other people do is no longer 'their business'. It either conforms to the acceptable or it doesn't. What one ultimately does to try to ensure that those outside of the declaration do eventually conform to these standards is an interesting and not easily soluble question. However, again that human rights abuses take place does not mean that human rights are useless as a concept.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

I am sorry what I say makes you angry but you are trying to equate christianity to human rights. They are simply not the same thing.

PH.... Can I have your autograph???? :thumbs: :thumbs:

Pretending any religious covenant is all-encompassing of human rights (and wrongs) is, in my opinion, quite a fundamentalist view. People's belief systems are so diverse, that no one can really claim to hold the truth and nothing BUT the truth. but then again, I am a Liberal, so I guess I should just be shot.

I said I got MY human rights views from my faith. What others do is their business. My God taught be that all men are equal and that you should treat others as you would want to be treated. Do you have a different idea of what human rights are?

Gary,

Indeed, that was precisely my point: YOU got YOUR idea of human rights from the Bible. Good! Others got THEIR idea from Native American spirituality. Others got it from Utopianism. Others more from the Coran, the Torah, and other 'sacred' texts. My thought is: none of these conceptions can seriously claim to be absolute and all-encompassing -- unless it is really a "you're with us our you're against us" discourse; case in which I retire from the discussion.

Some of my thoughts on what human rights are, just to name a few:

The RIGHT to access proper medical care - for ALL.

The RIGHT to access good schooling, with high academic standards (and perhaps less sporty ####### that has nothing to do with expanding your mind)

The RIGHT to marry who you love: be it of the opposite or the same sex.

The RIGHT to vote.

and yes, with this comes responsibilities:

to pay taxes

to volunteer and give back to your community

to be involved in issues that affect you and those less fortunate than you

to express yourself and be part of civic disobedience (non-violent).

And last but not least, conceptions of human rights are always culturally bound. And at least I don't see anywhere in my resume a line that qualifies me to trash other people's beliefs, commitments to their faith and practices. I am not God. I'm just another nerd.

Peace, L.

I was countering PH's idea that Human Rights only come from the UN. What you post there are political rights and not human rights. They are very different things.

Now Gary, you're just trying to be condescending. More power to you brother, just doesn't have any impact on me. I tend to discuss these things in academic forums, but I guess the wisdom of VJers goes beyond scholarly published works...

Peace out.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sorry I missed this thread - but I do have to ask this question.

If you discount the idea that the concept of human rights as enshrined in the UN universal declaration has any meaning with regard to "Defining" (rather than enforcing) human rights, what value does the US Constitution have?

Why do we even have a constitution?

[junglee069 0]

let's get back to saudi witches guys. who cares about human rights?

[Ban Hammer 14,635]

let's get back to saudi witches guys. who cares about human rights?

yeah, back to the sand witch!

[junglee069 0]

you know why she was declared a witch? it was because her husband claimed she had made him impotent.....

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Damn, she was so ugly he couldn't get it up?

Saudi's aren't even allowed to have beer. Beer can make any butterface look fukcable.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

you know why she was declared a witch? it was because her husband claimed she had made him impotent.....

Good enough for me. Welcome to the 7th century.

[DeadPoolX 9]

you know why she was declared a witch? it was because her husband claimed she had made him impotent.....

And all this time I thought it was because she weighed as much as a duck...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

let's get back to saudi witches guys. who cares about human rights?

Apparently not the Saudi authorities

And apparently not too many folks here