2 much focus on illegal???

[no name 1]

Why does it always have to be illegal immigration in the news. Could anyone think of away to bring more attention to those of us that are trying to do this legally? What if all of the ones waiting took over the stadium just before the super bowl kick off ? I suspect maybe we would make the third page. Hoping not to many people notice. Sorry for the rant, feeling a little left out. If... john&jean

Because that would bring to the forefront the fact that many who clamor against 'illegal immigration' are really against immigration of any kind.

There are some like that, but I think the majority of people are just simply opposed to the idea of giving a reward for breaking the law. This idea is especially offensive to us who have gone through the process legally.

But even then, legal vs. illegal isn't as black and white as it seems. There are plenty of people on this site who had overstayed visas of various types but were able to eventually attain legal status through marriage.

Our green card journey has been less than straightforward, but I don't feel that gives me the right to pass judgment.

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

illegals are the achilles heel of many here...also, global warming...hookers etc.....

and terrorists!

FWIW legal immigration makes for boring headlines.

and a good day at Disney never made headlines....

if it bleeds, it leads!

that's it!

it was bouncing around in my head..... "if there's blood... something" is all I had

[rebeccajo 14]

Why does it always have to be illegal immigration in the news. Could anyone think of away to bring more attention to those of us that are trying to do this legally? What if all of the ones waiting took over the stadium just before the super bowl kick off ? I suspect maybe we would make the third page. Hoping not to many people notice. Sorry for the rant, feeling a little left out. If... john&jean

Because that would bring to the forefront the fact that many who clamor against 'illegal immigration' are really against immigration of any kind.

There are some like that, but I think the majority of people are just simply opposed to the idea of giving a reward for breaking the law. This idea is especially offensive to us who have gone through the process legally.

But even then, legal vs. illegal isn't as black and white as it seems. There are plenty of people on this site who had overstayed visas of various types but were able to eventually attain legal status through marriage.

Our green card journey has been less than straightforward, but I don't feel that gives me the right to pass judgment.

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

Why does it always have to be illegal immigration in the news. Could anyone think of away to bring more attention to those of us that are trying to do this legally? What if all of the ones waiting took over the stadium just before the super bowl kick off ? I suspect maybe we would make the third page. Hoping not to many people notice. Sorry for the rant, feeling a little left out. If... john&jean

Because that would bring to the forefront the fact that many who clamor against 'illegal immigration' are really against immigration of any kind.

I'm glad I have you to speak for me.

You should be. You don't have a mouth after all. Or ears. Hell, you've only got one eye!

[no name 1]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

Edited January 29, 2008 by devilette

[rebeccajo 14]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

[no name 1]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

Not mine or Gary's. See what you replied to.

Edited January 29, 2008 by devilette

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Why does it always have to be illegal immigration in the news. Could anyone think of away to bring more attention to those of us that are trying to do this legally? What if all of the ones waiting took over the stadium just before the super bowl kick off ? I suspect maybe we would make the third page. Hoping not to many people notice. Sorry for the rant, feeling a little left out. If... john&jean

Because that would bring to the forefront the fact that many who clamor against 'illegal immigration' are really against immigration of any kind.

There are some like that, but I think the majority of people are just simply opposed to the idea of giving a reward for breaking the law. This idea is especially offensive to us who have gone through the process legally.

But even then, legal vs. illegal isn't as black and white as it seems. There are plenty of people on this site who had overstayed visas of various types but were able to eventually attain legal status through marriage.

Our green card journey has been less than straightforward, but I don't feel that gives me the right to pass judgment.

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

Huh?

[no name 1]

Why does it always have to be illegal immigration in the news. Could anyone think of away to bring more attention to those of us that are trying to do this legally? What if all of the ones waiting took over the stadium just before the super bowl kick off ? I suspect maybe we would make the third page. Hoping not to many people notice. Sorry for the rant, feeling a little left out. If... john&jean

Because that would bring to the forefront the fact that many who clamor against 'illegal immigration' are really against immigration of any kind.

There are some like that, but I think the majority of people are just simply opposed to the idea of giving a reward for breaking the law. This idea is especially offensive to us who have gone through the process legally.

But even then, legal vs. illegal isn't as black and white as it seems. There are plenty of people on this site who had overstayed visas of various types but were able to eventually attain legal status through marriage.

Our green card journey has been less than straightforward, but I don't feel that gives me the right to pass judgment.

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

Huh?

Simple question really.

[rebeccajo 14]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

Not mine or Gary's. See what you replied to.

I thought I did reply to that. I don't see his question to be 'illegals jumping the line'. Those petitioners are not illegal. They are protected by their immigrant category as spouses.

[no name 1]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

Not mine or Gary's. See what you replied to.

I thought I did reply to that. I don't see his question to be 'illegals jumping the line'. Those petitioners are not illegal. They are protected by their immigrant category as spouses.

How is 'snuck into the country' a legal path? Or overstays?

[rebeccajo 14]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

Not mine or Gary's. See what you replied to.

I thought I did reply to that. I don't see his question to be 'illegals jumping the line'. Those petitioners are not illegal. They are protected by their immigrant category as spouses.

How is 'snuck into the country' a legal path? Or overstays?

I can see why you are confused. Gary's original thought involved two paragraphs, the first of which referred to situations only available to family based 'loopholes', and not just the snipped off portion you quoted. Since I am able to follow a complete conversation and not just the parts I want to hear, I was responding to him in that manner.

[no name 1]

So, do you think those who snuck into the country or overstayed their VISA should be given a place in line ahead of those who didn't?

good question.

Yes it is.

Because if the pols muck with immigration law in the wrong way in trying to curb the illegal population, it could negatively affect family categories.

Family immigration is already chock-full of loopholes that other immigrant categories don't receive. We use those loopholes everyday on here to get our loved ones to use. The very fact that every K1/K3/CRI/IRI beneficiary did not have to wait for an immigrant visa number is a loophole.

And so is adjusting on VWP. Plenty of people think that is a loophole that needs to be closed.

But the question was not about loopholes but illegals jumping the line in front of legals.

I thought the question was 'why is there so much focus in the media on illegal immigration'?

Not mine or Gary's. See what you replied to.

I thought I did reply to that. I don't see his question to be 'illegals jumping the line'. Those petitioners are not illegal. They are protected by their immigrant category as spouses.

How is 'snuck into the country' a legal path? Or overstays?

I can see why you are confused. Gary's original thought involved two paragraphs, the first of which referred to situations only available to family based 'loopholes', and not just the snipped off portion you quoted. Since I am able to follow a complete conversation and not just the parts I want to hear, I was responding to him in that manner.

Post #12 (the one I replied to) is definitely ONE question, that's all.

Might want to reply to the post you meant instead of later ones that have a different meaning.

Edited January 29, 2008 by devilette

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I'm simply noting that this is a highly complicated issue. To hardliners, any nuanced position--that is, one that acknowledges that this a multifaceted problem with more than one cause and solution--seems to indicate sympathy for the devil. Where did I say anything about jumping the line?

I don't feel that I'm in a position to make a sweeping judgment about 12 million people because I and my husband have filled out a few forms.

I also wanted to note that the line between illegal and legal is not as stark as some would like to believe. Illegal can become legal, and vice versa--hence, my mention of some fellow VJ users having been illegal at one time. Many are forthright about this when asking questions in other threads. Gee, why aren't some of you hassling them, or better yet, reporting them?

Edited January 29, 2008 by AOS despair

[no name 1]

I'm simply noting that this is a highly complicated issue. To hardliners, any nuanced position--that is, one that acknowledges that this a multifaceted problem with more than one cause and solution--seems to indicate sympathy for the devil. Where did I say anything about jumping the line?

I don't feel that I'm in a position to make a sweeping judgment about 12 million people because I and my husband have filled out a few forms.

I also wanted to note that the line between illegal and legal is not as stark as some would like to believe. Illegal can become legal, and vice versa--hence, my mention of some fellow VJ users having been illegal at one time. Many are forthright about this when asking questions in other threads. Gee, why aren't some of you hassling them, or better yet, reporting them?

Gary asked you a simple question & you come back with this?

[rebeccajo 14]

I'm simply noting that this is a highly complicated issue. To hardliners, any nuanced position--that is, one that acknowledges that this a multifaceted problem with more than one cause and solution--seems to indicate sympathy for the devil. Where did I say anything about jumping the line?

I don't feel that I'm in a position to make a sweeping judgment about 12 million people because I and my husband have filled out a few forms.

I also wanted to note that the line between illegal and legal is not as stark as some would like to believe. Illegal can become legal, and vice versa--hence, my mention of some fellow VJ users having been illegal at one time. Many are forthright about this when asking questions in other threads. Gee, why aren't some of you hassling them, or better yet, reporting them?

Gary asked you a simple question & you come back with this?

God Lord.

Do you have to practice being beligerant or were you just born that way?