U.S. illegal immigrants 'self deport' as woes mount

[mawilson 2,133]

mawivaro,

Enforcing law and order in foreign countries is not our government's responsibility. If the

foreign governments in question and their institutions are corrupt, and U.S. corporations

take advantage of that corruption for their own self-interest, fair play to them. Corporations

will always do whatever they can to maximise their profits. If they do something illegal

and get caught, there's a steep price to pay. If a law is not being enforced, well.... you can't

blame them for breaking it. Same applies to our immigration laws - nothing will change until

we start enforcing them.

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mawivaro,

Enforcing law and order in foreign countries is not our government's responsibility. If the

foreign governments in question and their institutions are corrupt, and U.S. corporations

take advantage of that corruption for their own self-interest, fair play to them. Corporations

will always do whatever they can to maximise their profits. If they do something illegal

and get caught, there's a steep price to pay. If a law is not being enforced, well.... you can't

blame them for breaking it. Same applies to our immigration laws - nothing will change until

we start enforcing them.

Strange enough I agree with you mawilson.

What is completely out the window here is living in a country that touts having a clean manner of doing things when it comes to being ethical... at home as well as abroad. For the most part, I believe most business that take their operations outside the USA are OK- at least in the ethical side of things. What I find appalling is that there is ample common knowledge of the unethical ones and nothing happens to the tune of the behavior being corrected. Mind you, these are our companies, so it is our responsibility to make sure they play fair so as to represent us as we'd like to be seen, not as leeches feeding off of (and encouraging) the pond scum of the world. They get caught and no, they do not bear a steep price as a result of their actions.

Now, I also agree with all of you that it is not our responsibility to enforce foreign law in other countries. Neither is it our right and privilege to enforce ours over there as well. However, countless times do I run into folks arguing that in order to get our cash, conditions that are favorable to us need to be met. Well... how much more favorable to us is having conditions met that reduce illegal immigration? That is, if they want our cash and our business. Then we become proactive about protecting ourselves from this horrible evil and leech that is this so-called invasion of illegals.

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mawivaro,

Enforcing law and order in foreign countries is not our government's responsibility. If the

foreign governments in question and their institutions are corrupt, and U.S. corporations

take advantage of that corruption for their own self-interest, fair play to them. Corporations

will always do whatever they can to maximise their profits. If they do something illegal

and get caught, there's a steep price to pay. If a law is not being enforced, well.... you can't

blame them for breaking it. Same applies to our immigration laws - nothing will change until

we start enforcing them.

Corruption...when it goes on in Washington, we call it lobbying. Money and politics don't mix....neither here nor there.

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Political hermetism is good only when its convenient apparently.

Edited December 27, 2007 by maviwaro

[Alt name 1]

Good riddance. They are always welcome to come back, live, work, and enjoy life here legally.

[natty bumppo 297]

I think one clear thing I can honestly argue for is fairness in the way we treat others as, coincidentially, an important part of our fight against illegal immigration.

But we do that. And have done so. We've helped Mexico significantly improve it's economic output. Again, how they distribute that additional wealth is something the people of Mexico need to regulate. Instead, they're making a run for the north. That ain't going to fix a first damn thing back home. So, our responsibility at this point, as I see it, is to close that pressure valve that the corrupt elite in Mexico has enjoyed for far too long. Without that valve, maybe the people find it in themselves to roll up their sleeves and build a fair economic basis for themselves. As long as that valve exists, the rich in Mexico are only going to get richer and the poor poorer. That ain't helping them.

Here we agree and disagree... Beautiful!

We help the economy over there by helping the rich get richer in places like Mexico. Since the oligarchy is the class ruling the economy, I find it amazing how our government-brokered deals don't come with strict stipulations as to socioeconomic change. Mindo you, not the left wing kind but rather the fair kind. Unfortunately we don't work that way.

Why the hangup with trying to free our government of any kind of wrong doing?

And why are you trying to blame the U.S. for all the ills of the world?

Exactly.

Guys... if I need to clarify please ask. Maybe you could find where it is I blame verbatim our government for the entirely of the world's ills. This unfortunately is the same reaction political conservatives try to use as a deviating tactic in their arguments...

In the meantime dinner is served.

How do we benefit? Well, maybe a couple of business trips down South, for example, will teach you how our meddling in corruption benefits local contracts in our favor. You know, kind of like Chicago politics in a nutshell... Who benefits? Obviously our companies and their profits.

darn .. I've been asking for clarification all day ... yet only receive obfuscation.

To answer your comment ... oh yes I know business owners in S.A. and their business dealings (that's how I met my wife) and it's all S.A. ... not only Colombia. An idea of fthe travel time ... I've added extra pages added to my passport. I also know how the game is played... I deal in the oil and gas industry and Chiquita Bananas are well ... only the yellow gold.

Then maybe you should know better.

In the meantime, my writing here is pretty clear. All you have to do is read.

I do know better ... thank you very much.

Actually the writing kinda drones on ...

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...um hmm...