U.S. illegal immigrants 'self deport' as woes mount

[Nagishkaw 510]

0verblown impressions......

[mawilson 2,133]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

And the "black man" did?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

Yawn. What a waek point to make. At the end of the day, not much was done legally according to today's standards 500 years ago. I thought we learned something over the years.

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

Yawn. What a waek point to make. At the end of the day, not much was done legally according to today's standards 500 years ago. I thought we learned something over the years.

Sorry, I'm talking about the use of the term "invasion" here and the argument got skewed in this direction by freedictionary.com, apparently. Someone likes sources.

[natty bumppo 297]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

Yawn. What a waek point to make. At the end of the day, not much was done legally according to today's standards 500 years ago. I thought we learned something over the years.

Sorry, I'm talking about the use of the term "invasion" here and the argument got skewed in this direction by freedictionary.com, apparently. Someone likes sources.

Sources and references -> supporting documentation.

Do you have any? I'd like to review ....

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

Yawn. What a waek point to make. At the end of the day, not much was done legally according to today's standards 500 years ago. I thought we learned something over the years.

Sorry, I'm talking about the use of the term "invasion" here and the argument got skewed in this direction by freedictionary.com, apparently. Someone likes sources.

The definition you gave along the lines of "entry for conquest or plunder" meets the current situation quite well as to the latter point. I don't know what you're so hung up about it. Don't like to call it what it is? Not PC enough?

Edited December 26, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog

[Nagishkaw 510]

The white man didn't exactly come here legally.

Yawn. What a waek point to make. At the end of the day, not much was done legally according to today's standards 500 years ago. I thought we learned something over the years.

Sorry, I'm talking about the use of the term "invasion" here and the argument got skewed in this direction by freedictionary.com, apparently. Someone likes sources.

Someone likes Velveeta.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

It stands to reason that a classical invasion force, in the military sense, will consist of individual invaders, each of whom invades with the knowledge of being part of the larger invading force and with the specific intent of looting and plundering and raping and pillaging.

Is this the case with illegals? Clearly not.

So in what sense is this an invasion? Perhaps in the biological sense, the way alien insects 'invade' ecosystems and change the delicate ecological balance that existed before their introduction? They don't show up with the intent to disrupt and plunder, but they most certainly do.

So are illegal immigrants invaders like an invading military or or are more like a swarm of insects that are disrupting our delicate economic and social and racial balance?

[AnewKINDofFEELIN 0]

It stands to reason that a classical invasion force, in the military sense, will consist of individual invaders, each of whom invades with the knowledge of being part of the larger invading force and with the specific intent of looting and plundering and raping and pillaging.

Is this the case with illegals? Clearly not.

So in what sense is this an invasion? Perhaps in the biological sense, the way alien insects 'invade' ecosystems and change the delicate ecological balance that existed before their introduction? They don't show up with the intent to disrupt and plunder, but they most certainly do.

So are illegal immigrants invaders like an invading military or or are more like a swarm of insects that are disrupting our delicate economic and social and racial balance?

The problem is that they will say that it's obviously like the swarm of insects. Yet they use the military concept of an invasion as a loosely related term that elicits a far more outrageous reaction.

[Peikko 1,575]

There are times when choosing an emotive term is disingenuous. This is one of those times. It's like saying crossing the border without documentation is imoral.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What fcuking difference does it make? If you don't like using the term for the occurence, then don't. If someone else feels it appropriate - and while I don't usually use the term invasion, there's reason why one might feel that the term appropriately describes what's going on - then get over it. All this PC nonsense really get to me.

Edited December 26, 2007 by Mr. Big Dog

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

There are times when choosing an emotive term is disingenuous. This is one of those times.

Big Dog,

This is what is wrong with the term. You want me to 'get over' the willful and knowing dehumanizing of an entire group of people? I call those tactics fascist for a reason. Dehumanizing the enemy was always a favorite of theirs.

[Peikko 1,575]

Get over what? There is nothing to get over. People often use certain words to illicit a certain response. Pointing out this is what is happening is all that is going on here.

[natty bumppo 297]

It stands to reason that a classical invasion force, in the military sense, will consist of individual invaders, each of whom invades with the knowledge of being part of the larger invading force and with the specific intent of looting and plundering and raping and pillaging.

Is this the case with illegals? Clearly not.

So in what sense is this an invasion? Perhaps in the biological sense, the way alien insects 'invade' ecosystems and change the delicate ecological balance that existed before their introduction? They don't show up with the intent to disrupt and plunder, but they most certainly do.

So are illegal immigrants invaders like an invading military or or are more like a swarm of insects that are disrupting our delicate economic and social and racial balance?

The problem is that they will say that it's obviously like the swarm of insects. Yet they use the military concept of an invasion as a loosely related term that elicits a far more outrageous reaction.

If the word fits ... here are two other definitions #2 & #3 from the earlier post that are non-military (one medical in nature ... the other more generic).

2. A large-scale onset of something injurious or harmful, such as a disease.

3. An intrusion or encroachment.

Is there more PC term that should be used ?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There are times when choosing an emotive term is disingenuous. This is one of those times.

Big Dog,

This is what is wrong with the term. You want me to 'get over' the willful and knowing dehumanizing of an entire group of people? I call those tactics fascist for a reason. Dehumanizing the enemy was always a favorite of theirs.

People are emotional over the issue and they express their emotions. Nothing fascist about it nor is it about dehumanizing any group of people. It's about people expressing themselves. There were days when that could be done. Don't I miss those...