Mariye & Ky

I’m going to call you out so you understand why so many good, honest and genuine VJ members could not answer you directly. Also, so you own your own behavior and part in this with mature accountability. Since reading your post and replies, it leaves me with a heavy heart to see the veil over your eyes and for this I'm very sorry.
Many like as Jim, Vanessa, Maria, T-Bone, Amy & Nick, gave much effort to answer you in regards to meeting the K1 requirements and the time suggestions so as to develop your relationship. From what I read (and where it gets sticky), members attempted to answer you and requested detailed information. Some raised a plethora of questions about the information you listed in post#1. Several said inquiry and scrutiny would be raised not only by this community but from the CO to the nth degree! That was not pointed solely at you, but anyone who is requesting a Visa.
I feel it has been unwarranted to use admonishment and chastise in a poised manner towards posters accusing us for not paying attention to your subtle-allusions (post#70), your subtexts (post#57), and unwillingness to provide detailed information (post #18).
You know what? We were.
At first, I could not fathom why anyone would become so defensive when we asked for more details, until you told me (post#55) that it should be obvious that you are “speaking in the hypothetical.”
This whole time the original post was hypothetical and yet you never stated that DIRECTLY to US. You assumed we would 'just know'. The thread carried on alluding to the fact that your situation was indeed reality; therefore, we were left to believe you and the statements you published. How could we answer anything directly and to your satisfaction if you made up the rules as we went along? And by YOUR judgment over us, we were verbally punished to make up for our lack of understanding, inequities, or as you put it, ill-informed misinterpretation.
How unfair and really, I see it as badgering the greater VJ community members who were truthfully and sincerely trying to help you. Yet as many said, it doesn’t fail the constant process that continues to come to mind: Is this relationship entirely hypothetical and a sham of premeditated fraud for a Visa? Sorry, not judgment but most likely the same question the CO will ask by deduction of information you’re providing. (Hypothetical or not)
Lastly, I asked you if you were also superlloyd because I thought somebody could edit our posts besides us. Since your OP name is Visawandering and I kept seeing superlloyd editing beneath your replies, even that was bit confusing. That was not meant as an insult but an attempt to gain understanding of VJ navigation. I looked up the profile out of curiosity. I found these:

superlloyd, Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:10 PM My ex-wife has a restraining order on me from 10 years ago when I plead guilty to a charge of aggravated assault. Will I still have a chance of bringing my fiancee over on a K-1 from the Philippines? Is this the same girl as you hypothetically speak of who is with you now?

superlloyd, on 06 January 2011 - 03:49 PM, said: does anyone have any knowledge of a person here on a K-1 visa that married someone other than the petitioner, applied for a CR-1 with the new spouse and went back to their country within the 90 day period successfully obtaining the CR-1? <BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">
A very well respected VJ member answered that for you. I hope you got what you needed. But as Maria says above, reminds me of what scammers would do. To my knowledge, Visa Fraud is a Federal Offense and in my humble opinion a mockery of the Country we love and live in.
Now, you say we do not pay attention and I would go so far to say that few more looked at those postings too. But from that series of questions you posted last year and the other day, and the lack of information you give in this thread, accusing us consistently while trying to answer you, both of those in addition to this thread appear as calculating to me. Now is it that difficult for you to grasp why so many were confused and needed clarification?
I don’t take to well to abuse, verbal or other, and I will defend those whom you reprimanded because this VJ media is invaluable to so many. While you and your friend hypothetically visit one another, the rest of us live in reality and are very serious about our Visa Journeys. We are in love with our beneficiary or petitioner. We are authentic people involved in legitimate, committed relationships. The support and friendships made around the world should be respected and an example to you of the innocent people you freely and sharply rebuke! We were being honest to help answer your post, hypothetical or not. We respect(ed) you even if you did not respect the rest of us. Understand?
Maybe you should pay attention… to your behavior. Please note* THAT was the only thing direct and obvious.
Mari
PS: I forgot to mention, several of us have very forgiving hearts. Now why don’t you really come join a very supportive community with pleasant attitude so that maybe you can be with your beloved… legally?

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

Really? Did you just say that the law is not practiced in reality? And which reality is it that you reside in? Because where I come from, in this particular reality, we have a judicial system, and law is practiced daily, including all government branches, including but not limited to the Department of Home Land Security. That being said, the above statements which you have made present themselves in such a manner that one can only percieve this entie situation, (I understand you state it is a hypothetical situation) to be a seemingly fraudulent one.
The basic point here is:
1. You presented factual information that was neither factual or true. You have provided us with only hypothetical type situations.
2. You need to look at the basic facts, do you really believe and understand she, your girlfriend, is telling you surrounding the whole situation as I find it a bit odd and unbelievable that the OP would go through all trouble to bring here here, especially considering the controls around the Filipino government, only to leave her high and dry at the airport.
3. I am glad you understand and that you agree with and find value in the information provided by Mari on post # 73
4. You continue to rebute other members on this site, however the information you provide and the statements you make are simply ludicrous. Again, I will reference your last post, "reading the law is not an example. nor is the law practiced in reality."
Clearly stated, we have been round and round with you concerning your initial request for information to which you have rudly and with conflicting statements attacked other member of the VJ community. It would be appreciated at this point if you would take the time to consider whether your sitation is real or not and truly take into consideration whether the information your "girlfriend" has provided you make sense. That being said, it does not seem necessary to me for you to continue with this post because any information provided to you is being utilized by you only for the puposes of attacking other members and quite frankly driving us crazy!
Good luck in your reality bubble wherever that may be, I hope sometime soon you can take the information provided in this form to heart and realize that people that were simply only trying to help you and answer your questions. No one here deserved the unfair treatment you have served upon them.

Don't be a hater, just accept your behavior!!!!!!!!

I’m going to call you out so you understand why so many good, honest and genuine VJ members could not answer you directly. Also, so you own your own behavior and part in this with mature accountability. Since reading your post and replies, it leaves me with a heavy heart to see the veil over your eyes and for this I'm very sorry.
Many like as Jim, Vanessa, Maria, T-Bone, Amy & Nick, gave much effort to answer you in regards to meeting the K1 requirements and the time suggestions so as to develop your relationship. From what I read (and where it gets sticky), members attempted to answer you and requested detailed information. Some raised a plethora of questions about the information you listed in post#1. Several said inquiry and scrutiny would be raised not only by this community but from the CO to the nth degree! That was not pointed solely at you, but anyone who is requesting a Visa.
I feel it has been unwarranted to use admonishment and chastise in a poised manner towards posters accusing us for not paying attention to your subtle-allusions (post#70), your subtexts (post#57), and unwillingness to provide detailed information (post #18).
You know what? We were.
At first, I could not fathom why anyone would become so defensive when we asked for more details, until you told me (post#55) that it should be obvious that you are “speaking in the hypothetical.”
This whole time the original post was hypothetical and yet you never stated that DIRECTLY to US. You assumed we would 'just know'. The thread carried on alluding to the fact that your situation was indeed reality; therefore, we were left to believe you and the statements you published. How could we answer anything directly and to your satisfaction if you made up the rules as we went along? And by YOUR judgment over us, we were verbally punished to make up for our lack of understanding, inequities, or as you put it, ill-informed misinterpretation.
How unfair and really, I see it as badgering the greater VJ community members who were truthfully and sincerely trying to help you. Yet as many said, it doesn’t fail the constant process that continues to come to mind: Is this relationship entirely hypothetical and a sham of premeditated fraud for a Visa? Sorry, not judgment but most likely the same question the CO will ask by deduction of information you’re providing. (Hypothetical or not)
Lastly, I asked you if you were also superlloyd because I thought somebody could edit our posts besides us. Since your OP name is Visawandering and I kept seeing superlloyd editing beneath your replies, even that was bit confusing. That was not meant as an insult but an attempt to gain understanding of VJ navigation. I looked up the profile out of curiosity. I found these:

superlloyd, Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:10 PM My ex-wife has a restraining order on me from 10 years ago when I plead guilty to a charge of aggravated assault. Will I still have a chance of bringing my fiancee over on a K-1 from the Philippines? Is this the same girl as you hypothetically speak of who is with you now?

superlloyd, on 06 January 2011 - 03:49 PM, said: does anyone have any knowledge of a person here on a K-1 visa that married someone other than the petitioner, applied for a CR-1 with the new spouse and went back to their country within the 90 day period successfully obtaining the CR-1? <BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break">
A very well respected VJ member answered that for you. I hope you got what you needed. But as Maria says above, reminds me of what scammers would do. To my knowledge, Visa Fraud is a Federal Offense and in my humble opinion a mockery of the Country we love and live in.
Now, you say we do not pay attention and I would go so far to say that few more looked at those postings too. But from that series of questions you posted last year and the other day, and the lack of information you give in this thread, accusing us consistently while trying to answer you, both of those in addition to this thread appear as calculating to me. Now is it that difficult for you to grasp why so many were confused and needed clarification?
I don’t take to well to abuse, verbal or other, and I will defend those whom you reprimanded because this VJ media is invaluable to so many. While you and your friend hypothetically visit one another, the rest of us live in reality and are very serious about our Visa Journeys. We are in love with our beneficiary or petitioner. We are authentic people involved in legitimate, committed relationships. The support and friendships made around the world should be respected and an example to you of the innocent people you freely and sharply rebuke! We were being honest to help answer your post, hypothetical or not. We respect(ed) you even if you did not respect the rest of us. Understand?
Maybe you should pay attention… to your behavior. Please note* THAT was the only thing direct and obvious.
Mari
PS: I forgot to mention, several of us have very forgiving hearts. Now why don’t you really come join a very supportive community with pleasant attitude so that maybe you can be with your beloved… legally?

The K-1 petition will be approved by USCIS if you are both free to marry and if you have met in person within the last two years. The visa application will undergo exceptional scrutiny at the embassy, with the high risk that it will be shot down.To avoid throwing good effort after bad, spend several years building your financial status and accumulating evidence of bona fide relationship OVER TIME before filing the K-1. It's not merely whether you can get a cosponsor for the affidavit of support; married life is expensive, and children are even more so. Furthermore, I understand that the Manila embassy rarely accepts cosponsors for K-1 petitions.
It's the red flags at the embassy stage that you may have a hard time overcoming. You're asking for advice but appear to have made up your mind.
Act in haste, repent at leisure.

Okay I am going to be a bit more direct.
1. Using this current visit as the basis for applying for the K1 is not good and the risk of denial is high
2. Using another a subsequent visit is MUCH better and I think this raises your chances of success
Just to elaborate on the above. Meeting on her failed K1 isn't the issue, as friends that's not a problem, it's meeting on that failed K1 and then applying immediately and with hardly any other "new" relationship evidence. I personally think it looks much better that she arrived, you flew to her aide, you chatted and got closer, then you waited and spoke more, revisted her and THAT'S when you decided you definitely had something special. It's at that stage that using the previous friendship stuff is fine. You've known her a while and that's good, but it was never extremely romantic (based on what you posted previously).
3. As Jim stated, Manilla does NOT appreciate co-sponsors for K1 visas but they are sometimes accepted.
The "sometimes" are usually when someone was/is a student and their co-sponsor signs an I-864 (because it's binding). The reason for that is they know the income should get better.
4. How long to wait? I would wait until you have visited her yourself. It gives you time to really decide if you want to be with her.
In all honestly though it will be very suspicious to them (even after waiting to file), that she arrived on the K1 and nothing came of it BUT as long as she doesn't overstay, she hasn't done anything wrong. Sometimes relationships fail but she didn't exploit it by trying to overstay. Or marrying someone else.
Good luck though. You might be up for a LONG ride.

This post in particular, rivaled by the posts of Jim, Mari, Maria, and others, merits enshrinement in the pantheon of All-Time VJ Posts.Lloyd, please look at the "+1" totals on the above people's posts. It's not just an inbred, prejudiced, or closed-minded crowd that's reading this thread; it's a large (perhaps largely silent) audience of VJ members, many of whom are speaking with their votes rather than posting full comments.

oh..did I miss something??..we were just trying to explain things and give you some thoughts to ponder..if you ever felt that we might not be helping you, we shouldn't have waste our time responding.. ohh btw, here's more since you said that we "should" pay attention...hmmm..I'll take risk to what I perceived that has happened..I'm not psychic but it's somehow possible...here's the scenario..you mentioned on your past post that you even gave her your consent to marry the man(as far as I can remember)..wow, are you that important to her??...hmm, it made me think, you know, the same thing scam girls do, marry their petitioner then find a way to divorce them, applied for her GC and get marry again with the person they really love..simple as using another person just to get what she wants..made me think that the original petitioner was able to find out regarding her intentions or maybe caught her...sorry to say this but it really make us wonder how come she will still keep your address/phone #..and oh btw, she's so lucky coz the man whom she will get marry also lives closer to where you live at least it was easy for you to get to the airport when she called..& you're having a great time dating now..btw, does she have a round trip ticket or you will be the one paying for her ticket back..if you really do care for her, you could have just tell her to go back to Phil as soon as she can..then she can notify the embassy regarding what her petitioner did to her(if she was telling the truth)..then maybe, you can start having a new relationship together..you can't use as evidence of meeting the times when you are together now since the USCIS knew that she should be there spending that time with the petitioner and get married...it's not too late if you want to start a "genuine relationship"..after maybe a few months,then after you can visit her in Phil, you can file for I-129F..by that time, the embassy will not see any fraud and you may be able to use your old emails, chatlogs..which shows that you met for quite long already then didn't work, then you get acquainted again..there's been alot of cases like this before & they were able to get approval again...
we're not here to judge..we all have been through with the same difficulties of these visa petitions..we are here to share & learn from others...it's really sad to know that people doesn't care at all whether they step into or hurt other people just to get what they want(KARMA knocks sometimes..better watch out..)..as to the OP, you seem to know the answers to your questions..why won't you just stop asking then..we really hope & pray you find solution to your problems..we are here to help and we are sorry if we ever made you feel bad..God bless you!!..
P.S. - to the admin..when it comes to respect, I have respect for everyone as I do for myself..I don't have any intentions to insult the OP with regards to the statements I wrote above..I was just explaining because he tends to question each member's attentiveness regarding his post..hoping for your understanding..Thank you. -Maria

This is the original #1 post: YOU SAID:
I have been talking to a filipina online for several years. Getting together/eventual marriage was only discussed as a possibility. Was this the part where it's hypothetical? She decided to marry another man and told me of this. I accepted the situation although her marriage was primarily for stability.
I am student, he makes a very good living. Also, I have yet to get the money to see her in person as well. I thought you just said it was because of your research contract but that says you do not have the funds to visit?
Although she had many reservations about the marriage, she came here to follow through with it. He did not show up to the airport when she arrived and was unavailable by phone. She called the only other person she knew in the country and I flew out to pick her up. She has been staying with me and decided not to marry the other guy. We have started dating. As long as things continue to go well, I believe we would like to get married. So again, you just said you have made it clear that you have not decided in post #18, but here you say "... we would like to get married"... hypothetically I guess, or pre-meditated since you also said you like to plan ahead.
She will be leaving before her 90 days is up on her K-1 visa. My quesiton is about the possibility of myself applying for a second K-1 visa for her once she returns. Maybe it would be better if YOU looked and did more research yourself at the USCIS website for K-1 requirements. As Jim said, you already met this requirement.
Since most of what the VJ folks said is not up to par for you, then maybe you can take the rest of these questions to your legal advisors and skip this thread. "Is this possible? Are there any actual examples of this being successful? Is there an issue with her deciding so quickly that he was not the right man for her, even though his behavior may have justified it. I feel like our meeting in person while she is on another person's K-1 will be a problem. Should I wait a specific amount of time to file the K-1 or will I be successful filing it immediately? Her first K-1 was filed in June of 2010. Should we reveal our prior relationship in our application or claim we met for the first time while she was here? I realize I have asked a lot of questions. Thank you in advance for your help."
This post has been edited by superlloyd: Yesterday, 06:29 PM **Are you superlloyd too? Or can somebody else edit your postings?

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

This is the original #1 post: YOU SAID:
I have been talking to a filipina online for several years. Getting together/eventual marriage was only discussed as a possibility. Was this the part where it's hypothetical? She decided to marry another man and told me of this. I accepted the situation although her marriage was primarily for stability.
I am student, he makes a very good living. Also, I have yet to get the money to see her in person as well. I thought you just said it was because of your research contract but that says you do not have the funds to visit?
Although she had many reservations about the marriage, she came here to follow through with it. He did not show up to the airport when she arrived and was unavailable by phone. She called the only other person she knew in the country and I flew out to pick her up. She has been staying with me and decided not to marry the other guy. We have started dating. As long as things continue to go well, I believe we would like to get married. So again, you just said you have made it clear that you have not decided in post #18, but here you say "... we would like to get married"... hypothetically I guess, or pre-meditated since you also said you like to plan ahead.
She will be leaving before her 90 days is up on her K-1 visa. My quesiton is about the possibility of myself applying for a second K-1 visa for her once she returns. Maybe it would be better if YOU looked and did more research yourself at the USCIS website for K-1 requirements. As Jim said, you already met this requirement.
Since most of what the VJ folks said is not up to par for you, then maybe you can take the rest of these questions to your legal advisors and skip this thread. "Is this possible? Are there any actual examples of this being successful? Is there an issue with her deciding so quickly that he was not the right man for her, even though his behavior may have justified it. I feel like our meeting in person while she is on another person's K-1 will be a problem. Should I wait a specific amount of time to file the K-1 or will I be successful filing it immediately? Her first K-1 was filed in June of 2010. Should we reveal our prior relationship in our application or claim we met for the first time while she was here? I realize I have asked a lot of questions. Thank you in advance for your help."
This post has been edited by superlloyd: Yesterday, 06:29 PM **Are you superlloyd too? Or can somebody else edit your postings?

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

It's become obvious from reading your responses that you're not looking for advice or opinions. You're looking for reassurance, and you're only agreeing with members whose opinions are in alignment with yours. You're also reluctant to provide any detailed information, and then chastise people for offering opinions while not knowing the details. I'm having a really hard time figuring out what the heck you're looking for here.
The question of whether an I-129F petition can be approved is clear cut - it's a matter of meeting the statutory requirements, and you appear to have met those requirements. The only discretion an adjudicator has in determining whether to approve a petition is regarding the validity of the evidence provided. If the adjudicator believes the evidence is credible then they'll approve the petition.
The question of whether she'll be approved for a visa is a completely different matter. Some of the statutory requirements are clear, and she'll either meet them or not, but many of the requirements depend heavily on the discretion of the consular officer. Therefore, anything that anyone says about this is going to be their opinion based on the information you've provided. Those opinions are going to run the gamut, and you may agree or disagree with any or all of them, but it's not fair to criticize a member for offering an honest opinion, especially if their error was the result of you're not having shared the necessary information with them.
You may not like the fact that people are being judgmental about the situation your fiancee is in, but the cold hard fact is that the consular officer is going to be VERY judgmental about it. We're trying to look at it the way a consular officer would look at it. The bottom line is if she shows up at a K1 interview in Manila less than a year or two after getting a K1 through a different petitioner then her chances of being approved are very low.
BTW, the attorney who told you that you cannot be denied with a co-sponsor is misinformed. Consulates are specifically prohibited from applying INA 213A when considering an affidavit of support for a K visa. There is no statutory requirement for them to accept a joint sponsor, nor any guidance in the foreign affairs manual that says they should accept a joint sponsor. Many consulates rarely accept joint sponsors with a K visa, and there's ample evidence from members on this site that the Embassy in Manila accepts them only occasionally, and under specific circumstances.

This is the original #1 post: YOU SAID:
I have been talking to a filipina online for several years. Getting together/eventual marriage was only discussed as a possibility. Was this the part where it's hypothetical? She decided to marry another man and told me of this. I accepted the situation although her marriage was primarily for stability.
I am student, he makes a very good living. Also, I have yet to get the money to see her in person as well. I thought you just said it was because of your research contract but that says you do not have the funds to visit?
Although she had many reservations about the marriage, she came here to follow through with it. He did not show up to the airport when she arrived and was unavailable by phone. She called the only other person she knew in the country and I flew out to pick her up. She has been staying with me and decided not to marry the other guy. We have started dating. As long as things continue to go well, I believe we would like to get married. So again, you just said you have made it clear that you have not decided in post #18, but here you say "... we would like to get married"... hypothetically I guess, or pre-meditated since you also said you like to plan ahead.
She will be leaving before her 90 days is up on her K-1 visa. My quesiton is about the possibility of myself applying for a second K-1 visa for her once she returns. Maybe it would be better if YOU looked and did more research yourself at the USCIS website for K-1 requirements. As Jim said, you already met this requirement.
Since most of what the VJ folks said is not up to par for you, then maybe you can take the rest of these questions to your legal advisors and skip this thread. "Is this possible? Are there any actual examples of this being successful? Is there an issue with her deciding so quickly that he was not the right man for her, even though his behavior may have justified it. I feel like our meeting in person while she is on another person's K-1 will be a problem. Should I wait a specific amount of time to file the K-1 or will I be successful filing it immediately? Her first K-1 was filed in June of 2010. Should we reveal our prior relationship in our application or claim we met for the first time while she was here? I realize I have asked a lot of questions. Thank you in advance for your help."
This post has been edited by superlloyd: Yesterday, 06:29 PM **Are you superlloyd too? Or can somebody else edit your postings?

Hello, I am very confused. I have read through this entire post and I thought the OP said in post #18 the following:
"From your replies, it is clear that many of you have not even read what I wrote. Our relationship was not that serious. It is only beginning to become serious. I have not decided to marry her. She has been here 60 days. She will leave before her 90 days is up. Your opinions on the situation unrelated to my questions are not helpful and ill-informed. I have not and will not go into detail about things that support what I have told you. I presented the situation as it is to seek advice on the visa, etc. Questioning the situation is not productive and very insulting."
Forgive me OP, and do not snap back and 'scold me' lol, but in this current post you are asking the VJ family "How long should I wait to file the K-1?"
You tell the VJ family "we should pay attention" but from your own words, not ours, it appears that you already have made up your mind despite your comment earlier. Are you [the OP] paying attention to what you are saying? This is what really matters here. Thus, we are not your future, you and your girlfriend, or girlfriend to be, are the important principals in the matter. You said you spoke to several immigration attorneys. Did they not give you sound advise with their experience in the field?
I am wondering aside from the answer that Jim gave earlier regarding your qualifying for required conditions for a K-1 Petition, what else is it that you want? No matter who you decide to marry, or not marry, I have to believe that the VJ family would only want the best outcome for you both. That being said...
Several have stated their opinion of developing your relationship over time and waiting to file. You already stated that you have quite a portfolio of evidence from a friendship, or "...relationship that was not that serious", to its current status. You said that she will return before the 90 days expiration date, and you cannot visit her until Jan 2012 (?). As you are a student, intellectually I am guessing you understand this will give you more time to develop your friendship to a more serious relationship, if that has not already happened; but I'd be questioning what about the relationship with the first K-1 Fiance? Who knows, you might just come into a windfall of $$$ before then.
The CO or USCIS believed she was in love with the first K-1 Petitioner and there has to be a signifcant amount of evidence in that file. Despite hurt feelings, even if he did not pick her up at airport, and cannot be found today (Are you sure?), none the less, how does anyone close and shut off supposedly strong emotional ties that quickly when they're about to make a very serious life commitment?
Just as you feel we are unclear, I think the presentation is also unclear.
I wish you both the best and good luck.
Mari

You have met the requirements to file an I-129F petition. Presuming you handle the paperwork properly, there's no reason the petition would not be approved. I think the situation will be far different at the US Embassy in Manila.
Honestly, based on what you've said so far, I don't think her chances of getting another K1 are very good at this point. If you and her explain the situation with the first K1 truthfully then it will be painfully obvious to the consular officer that she used the first petitioner to better her financial position for herself and her family. The first petitioner's actions would seem to confirm that he found out about her ulterior motive. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the consulate's Fraud Prevention Unit gave him a call and asked about what happened.
The reality of the situation is that she would have followed through and married this guy if he had shown up at the airport, just so she could get a green card and some financial security. This is the precise scenario they suspect when they investigate a relationship for potential fraud. They are almost certainly going to suspect that she's using you as her backup plan.
My recommendation is to give this relationship plenty of time to develop. If you start the immigration process before you've had a chance to collect a massive amount of evidence of a solid relationship then I believe you are almost certain to be denied a visa.

Excuse me, but how could you possibly say that DOMESTIC BATTERY could be a consequence of a culture shock? I don't know in which country it's ok to beat someone up and it's culturally acceptable.
OP needs to protect herself and her children and get a restraining order against the spouse and definitely report him.

Agreed. Using culture shock as an excuse is asinine. There are other ways to vent frustration due to "culture shock" that doesn't include knocking around your spouse. I fear that the OP plans to overlook this and kowtow to his apparent bullying tactics to do ROC. Otherwise, she'd have removed him from her home by now. Sad.
Also, "hard work" importing a husband isn't good enough reason to accept being battered.

Gary, I couldn't fully agree more with you. That was the best answer on this entire thread.
And for the guys re: American wives:
Just remember, from an AMERICAN WIFE and MOM.... YOU were born! Please respect that. I am sure your mother's would agree.

Hi, we just filed also (I-129F). The back of my BC is also blank. I made a colour copy double sided (front/back on one page-- mine is tan'ish colour so a white page wouldn't do). I wrote on the blank backside, "Back of Petitioner's birth certificate--[name & dob], is blank by the county of [county born and registered in]. I signed and dated it. Simple. Give them what they ask for, and if there is a blank, write that it is blank, sign and date it. Best to you both!