KittyPollitt

I think alot has to do as to who is doing the affadavit of support. I guess if grandparents are bankrolling or there is a co sponsor/ If thats not the case, who is doing the affadavit while the wife is dcfing.. What job will wait that long in this economy...? I guess if mom and dad will co sign, then dcf is an option.. You still have to have an affadavit even if you are dcfing

Grandparents aren't bankrolling.. I am a contractor.. I work for myself, worked through my pregnancy and saved money because I knew the issue would come up.. Mom is cosigning, but only because my income falls just beneath the guidelines.. I'm not a freeloader

Sooo looking forward to my postpartum massage tomorrow and going someplace warm next month! It was 16F up here in the mountains in Maryland the other day, with a windchill of 5 degrees My fiance is over in Morocco wearing a sweatshirt with a giant sweater over it, complaining that it's 50F at night! Boy, does he have a shock coming when he gets here

Hope everyone has a great day!!

Squeaky, I would continue on the K1 path for now, unless your fiance's petition was denied? not sure With your issues of not have a clean police record, an out of wedlock baby, and evidence of cohabitating while unmarried <hence child>, you might just want to hang with the K1. You might have a judge give you so much negative response that the hurdles you have to jump through are much more than you anticipated.

it's sounding that way.. It's ok, I can just send the petition before I go and just stay there with him and wait.. I can't stand a lot of hassle, that's why I wanted to clarify all this before breaking it to my mom and destroying her dream wedding plans..

The one thing that may cause a hiccup is that your daughter was born before you were married. To get the family book, your husband has to apply using your marriage certificate, then you can add your children. I am guessing that this will involve you going before a judge to overcome the fact that your child was born before your marriage - sort of to prove paternity. We registered our marriage after our son was born (he was born after we were married however). We then had to register his birth, but it was after he was 1 yr old. This is still a problem for us and we can't seem to get them to do it either here or in Morocco. I am guessing you will have an issue trying to register her into his family book.

Is it really going to be an issue, since we ultimately intend upon living in the US permanently, and here he is already on her birth certificate and has legally established paternity? What would the ramifications be of him not having legal paternity in Morocco, in relation to the I-130 petition?

USC that are marrying someone outside the US requires a large amount of paperwork how much more paperwork does Morocco require than any other country??

I don't know that it does.. this is the first time we've looked into it, because the more we thought about it, there's really no reason I shouldn't move there while we wait during the process, and it would allow him to experience the first year of his daughter's life.. I really have no clue about it, besides the pretty much standard form instructions on the consulate's website- that's why I asked

Looking for people's stories and opinions about marrying in Morocco, since we are now considering me moving there for a while and doing a DCF (that way he can be with his daughter while we wait, and I really have nothing tying me here right now).. It seems like there is a mountain of paperwork involved with a USC marrying a Moroccan.. How long should I tell his family it would take, and how long does it take to prepare documentation here? Does a (small and embarrassing) police record in the states hamper my ability to marry there, since they request a police record?

Thanks in advance for replying

Sarah

Seems like Royal Air Maroc has almost double their fares from last year.. I have a friend who knows someone at the airline, and he was told that JFK has raised the fees for landing and harbouring planes at the airport Last year I flew round trip in February for $600, this year, I'm flying on almost the same day and paying $1,005..

Resha, don't use airfare.com.. I hear they are a major rip off .. now is the best time to fly to and from Morocco ^^ you should be able to find a great deal

No No No and HELL NO. There is so much to consider when traveling with a baby in the first place.. everything from vaccines to carseats to packing formula and baby food.. I'm planning a trip to Morocco now with my (will be) 3 month old to meet her father, and I'm worried about anything that would happen to her with me BEING there, I can't begin to imagine my daughter taking a weeks long trip overseas without me. I would lose my mind. Putting that kind of stress on yourself and the baby is no good for either of you- your in laws will just have to be patient. Good gracious. My blood pressure rises just thinking about it.

Thanks everyone on the congrats and well wishes!! We are soo ready to start our lives together.. Its gonna be great!! Inshallah he will be here soon!

CONGRATS RESHA!! I'M SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!

Good Morning!! Finally have my divorce hearing this morning, after having been separated for 14 months!! This is all I have been waiting for to send off my baby's petition, so it's like today is the first day of the rest of my life!

Also, got the baby's passport application sent off yesterday, for our 2 month long trip to Casablanca in February (holy #######, I can't wait!)

It's been a good week so far! Hope everyone enjoys their hump day!

YOU KNOW THATS A REAL HATEFUL THING TO SAY, AND I CAN FEEL SOME OF WHAT YOUR SAYING BUT, DAMM THATS COLD! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE GETS A CO SPONSOR DOESNT MEAN THE IMMIGRANT WILL BE ON WELFARE,, GEEESH!!! SOME PEOPLE MISS THE 125% BUY JUST LITTLE INCOME AND NEED THE CO SPONSOR, SOME ARE JUST ABOVE IT. SO UR SAYING ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO KEEP THAT GREAT JOB SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE THIER FAMILY HERE???YOU KNOW MY HUSBAND WHOS WAITING FOR THE VISA MANAGED TO SELL OUR PROPERTYS IN HIS COUNTRY SO I COULD GET A HOME AND GET OUT OF THE WELFARE THING BUT SINCE I LOST MY JOB WITH FBOP,,I HAD TO GET WELFARE TO TIE ME OVER AND THEREFORE HIT ME UNDER THIS 125% SOOOO UR SAYING THAT SINCE I WORKED MY TAIL OFF ALL THESE YEARS AND THEN SO HAPPEN TO LOOSE A FABULOUS JOB THAT I SHOULD NOT BE WITH MY HUSBAND??? THERES SO MANY DIFFERENT REASONS WHY A CO SPONOSR IS NEEDED THATS WHY LAWS SHOULD BE MADE CAREFULLY AND THOUGHT OUT, NOT JUST ON THE THOUGHT OF URS. IF THEY PASS THIS LAW OF NOT ALLOWING CO SPONSORS,, LETS JUST PRAY U DONT LOOSE UR CUSHY JOB AND WANT TO BRING ANOTHER RELATIVE IN THE FUTURE, CAUSE THEY WILL SAY OH SORRY ,, GOOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!1

Well he had a very short interview.. was only asked 2 questions(only about our daughter) and the interviewer looked at his pictures no other proof.. Took his passport and told him they would call him.. So now just waiting for the phone call.. Inshallah he will get it soon and come to be with his family!!

Holy #######, I'm so happy for you I could almost cry!! Because I know EXACTLY what you've been going through! God bless all three of you, can't wait to hear more good news!

omg Resha, going CRAZY waiting to hear what happened at Adnan's interview!

I dont think anyone meant to be an ahole or anything.

I tend to agree that if you are in severe finacial struggle, you might want to replan your visa journey. Im not saying to give it up or anything but if you cant figure out how you are going to pay for fees and AOS(if needed) then what will happen once your spouse gets here and cant find a job right away, or has to wait for EAD? Thats one more person to take care of in the house and no more income. Especially for people who have children.

I understand and can say all that but I know if I was in that situation I would want to just jump right in. But its wise to plan,plan and then plan again. Especially in these times.

I will gripe if AOS goes up to almost 2700(if it takes the similar 167% increase) because thats pretty excessive but oh well, its all part of it I guess. this is a very expensive process.

I dont mean to sound judgmental or anything so please dont misunderstand. I just think that if you are totally broke, you should save and wait until you can afford to pay everything and not struggle once the spouse gets here. Finacial troubles can undermine a "traditional" marriage...how about one with cultural differences, one partner struggling with cultrue shock and homesickness? That sounds like more stress than necessary to me. I wonder what part it does play in the sucess of many marriages here that have a rocky adjustment period..

sorry

my situation is such that i make good money when i can work, but my fiance and i have a newborn, so i can't really work until he gets here to help me.. it just seems unfair to me that they're raising the fees for this specific type of visa 167%, but not others, when this visa is meant to reunite families..

wow lollllllllllllll i love that sure go go Zamlek and here is the song for Zamalek by arabic here its ya zamalek ya madrasaa leab we fan we handsaa lol

Urghhh, I'm disappointed!!!! :P:P Two of the best MENA brothers are Zamalkayes!!! Go go Ahly!!

Ahly or Zamalek it doesn't matter It's Egypt in the end! Go go Egyptian Soccer!! :dance:

DIMA DIMA WYDAD!

Wow it's so nice to hear how financially stable everyone is.. I guess you're right.. I should have checked my bank account balance before I fell in love..

My God.. it's a terrible thing to do to families, especially with the economy in the toilet.. a great way to start a marriage... in debt..

omg how exciting!! we're praying for you and are waiting for good news!!

I'm not breastfeeding, and I have rediscovered RedBull.. Its great for when I'm so tired I am afraid to drive!

Congrats, he is gorgeous!! Welcome to the night shift! I'm right there with you!

and miles to go before we sleep !!!

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Congrats, he is gorgeous!! Welcome to the night shift! I'm right there with you!

Would it not be prudent, in a case like this, for the beneficiary to point out to the interviewer that he has chosen NOT to marry a Moroccan woman and live in Morocco. and thus the "cultural norms" of his country don't necessarily apply to his relationship? I ask this because I am in a very similar situation, and this is how my fiance and his family have chosen to approach our child out of wedlock. Albeit, his family is very progressive and have a history of association with America and this may contribute to their easygoing attitude. And the joy of welcoming a grandchild into the family, when as a poor man, they feared my fiance might never find a decent woman, has far outweighed any negative viewpoints they may have had. I'm just saying, isn't this something that can be explained, if the man has tact? In our case, living in Morocco may actually have been an option for us, until I returned home and discovered that I was pregnant, and which time our child's future became our first priority and it is important to both of us that she reap all the benefits that living in the states can provide her, as opposed to living in Morocco.

Are some of these things points that my fiance, and perhaps the OP's SO, point out during the interview that may make things a little smoother?

I'd appreciate your opinion..

Sarah

Morocco is a high fraud area, so it isn't wise to emphasize To the consulate his wish to escape their cultural norms and run off to a more "progressive" country in the west. Your points also make it sound like his family is settling for an indecent western daughter-in-law because a decent Moroccan wife was beyond their son's ability to obtain. There is also no redeeming value in letting them know that he was reserved, but your lack of inhibitions were what set you both on the path of out of wedlock parenthood.

Let me be frank. I'm an Arab woman, and as I said before, I was raised there and I am very familiar with the double standard between how moroccans view women and men. You will never be considered to be decent. They will be nice, kind, love your kids with him, but you are a cause for shame and whispers. Even in the city this is so. Less moral behavior is expected of western women, but a proper potential Moroccan wife would not be living with her intended prior to marriage. This is what they do with western women because they are considered to be loose. Moroccan womenwho do the same are called "too western", not progressive.

The best wayto handle this is as I suggested before; you love each other and desire to be a proper family thru marriage. It's not going to be about trying to be more progressive to the CO, it's going to be about sincerity and a real connection and bond between you and your SO; babies don't guarantee that.

Good luck!

Thank you for being frank.. it helps us better prepare.. Thank God my fiance is a giant softy who wears his heart on his sleeve.. I hope it will help The baby and I are going to visit in February.. I hope it won't cause too much BS in his neighborhood.. I swear last time I was there I was a freakin local celebrity.. now I prefer not to have that attention

Yeah... I didnt ask if what I did was wrong.. God will judge us as he sees fit if what we did was wrong... I am just asking for advice which will aide me in providing the best case I can... Thanks to everyone who has done that!

Please don't take offense. We are advising you about how to make the best case, because before God judges your behavior, the consulate will. In order to help you, we have no choice but to give you advice based on your particulars, including the negatives along with the positives. While things may smoothly, insha'allah, it is best to be prepared for consular skepticism. You have made mistakes in going thru a fake marriage, living together out of wedlock and having a child out of wedlock. Those are not Moroccan cultural norms, the consulate knows it, and they can set off red flags that your SO is planning to take advantage of you for marriage fraud since he didn't do anything to protect your reputation, as he would have been expected to do with a Moroccan woman.

Morocco may seem progressive, but it is still quite conservative in its norms. A Moroccan woman whose family is protective of her would not be treated the way he has treated you, nor would his family allowed it to happen without dissent. We're just telling you to prepare, because your lack of knowledge about how Moroccan culture works has raised red flags that can affect the consulate's view of your SO's motives. Things are not the same in Morocco as they are in Egypt, where urfi is in legal flux. Morocco has not sanctioned it for mixed marriages, and that has left you vulnerable to exploitation, as sandinista has noted. Those of us who are familiar with the culture do question why an honorable man would suggest an urfi marriage to a foreigner unfamiliar with custom. You will need to strengthen your positives so that the negatives are not so glaring. It can be done, and visa success is still possible.

Would it not be prudent, in a case like this, for the beneficiary to point out to the interviewer that he has chosen NOT to marry a Moroccan woman and live in Morocco. and thus the "cultural norms" of his country don't necessarily apply to his relationship? I ask this because I am in a very similar situation, and this is how my fiance and his family have chosen to approach our child out of wedlock. Albeit, his family is very progressive and have a history of association with America and this may contribute to their easygoing attitude. And the joy of welcoming a grandchild into the family, when as a poor man, they feared my fiance might never find a decent woman, has far outweighed any negative viewpoints they may have had. I'm just saying, isn't this something that can be explained, if the man has tact? In our case, living in Morocco may actually have been an option for us, until I returned home and discovered that I was pregnant, and which time our child's future became our first priority and it is important to both of us that she reap all the benefits that living in the states can provide her, as opposed to living in Morocco.

Are some of these things points that my fiance, and perhaps the OP's SO, point out during the interview that may make things a little smoother?

I'd appreciate your opinion..

Sarah

Sister, that is the red flag - huge banner-waving red flag. The Consulate will see this as a poor man could not find a decent Moroccan woman - so, he did the next best thing to improve his situation in life with the raving approval of his family - he found an American woman who could be his meal ticket, and theirs too. Typical MENA families will never approve of a child born out of wedlock with some MENA female, so why should they approve of him having knocked up his American girlfriend - the consulate knows this and they will be mightily skeptical when they are doing the interview.

Please know, I'm not judging you or Resha...I'm judging the bonafides of the relationships and they are causing me concern on both your parts.

Actually, it was quite the opposite in our case, he was the hunted and I was the archer And we have documentation of my near stalker behavior in the form of emails and chat logs going back to our very first conversation.. He was such an introvert when I found him that I had to BEG him to even go on webcam...

But I understand all we have going against us.. all we can do is throw a ton of paper at the situation, and make sure he has the correct answers to the tough questions, and pray..