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Thank you, I will. Should I still email them now?

Also, what does FNU mean? That's not part of his name, it's added in on this letter. Also, the expiry date is listed wrong - can I use that to my advantage?

I just got the letter and the pics of the passport. The stamp in his passport was faked. I don't know what the CO was trying to prove but he never stamped anything in there. My fiance in a panic, in the dark no less, to see what the CO had stamped saw a stamp from the passport clearance. Thank goodness. I was freaking out. I am attaching the letter. Even though the CO said he was denied, it is written like a 221(g). Furthermore it says it was denied because the NOA-2 had expired. Thankfully I sent letters and made phone calls about that before the interview. I'm mentioning that in my letters to Congress as well.

Thank you. I will add the DOS to my list of emails to send. I know this may be falling on deaf ears, however I am sending it as a formal request for a new interview in an effort to keep the petition there until I can fly to Delhi myself on behalf of my fiance.

I posted this on the South Asia forum as well but thought maybe I could get some additional ideas here. My fiance had his interview on the 28th. He was yelled at by the CO and asked the same question more than 10 times (it was being yelled at him). He provided the same answer each time which is what kept angering the CO. He was being asked "What did your parents say when you told them she was divorced with 3 kids?" At one point another woman came over and her and the CO made fun of my fiance and laughed at him when he tried to answer the question again the same way. The CO yelled at him that his visa was denied and he shut the window. It was horrible.

I have emails typed up for the embassy and 4 U.S. Senators specifically requesting a congressional inquiry into the CO's actions and mistreatment of my fiance. I'm requesting the petition stay there and that they grant me another interview. (Thank you Twisted K for those ideas.) Is there anything else I can or should be doing or saying.

Thank you in advance. I don't know how to link to the post and I can't think straight to figure it out right now.

I didn't send this yet. Partly because I'm not in an emotional state to be capable of proofreading or making the best decisions. Please let me know if this is good/bad/needs something/needs to lose something...whatever your thoughts, they are welcome. I will be including my case number when I send it.

Email ---

My fiance attended his K-1 visa interview yesterday, January 28. During the course of the interview he was yelled at repeatedly by the consular officer when he would not change his answers to the questions. The officer repeatedly asked "What did your parents say when when you told them she was divorced with three kids?" (By she he was referring to me.) My fiance's parents told him it was his choice but the consular officer did not believe that and kept yelling over him every time he tried to provide that same answer. After the officer had yelled it several times another woman came over to the officer and the two of them began whispering, asking my fiance a question, then laughing at him as soon as he began to speak. After yelling more than 10 times the same question again, in the presence of the woman, the officer told my fiance that since his parents didn't say anything that his visa was denied and closed the window. This is unprofessional conduct and not the conduct expected or becoming a consular officer. Are your officers expected, trained, or told to publicly humiliate and berate/degrade applicants? Several individuals at other windows also noticed the spectacle.

I am writing to you to formally request a second interview in which I will be present. I am requesting an ethical and professional consular officer to perform the interview and my fiance and myself are prepared to answer any questions.

Also, since it seemed to be a topic of interest, as detailed in my separation papers and divorce decree I separated from my husband in July 2006 and moved 2 states away from him. Due to him being deployed with the U.S. Marine Corps a divorce or formal paperwork was not possible as I was informed by legal those papers could not be served in Iraq. That is the only reason our divorce was delayed. The consular officer did not even seem to know that or have read that at the time of the interview and would not accept that when my fiance tried to tell him so.

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--not included in letter but FYI. My ex husband was in Iraq 25 of the 36 months preceding our divorce. He was not home long enough for legal to get all the papers in order since 2 states had to be involved and papers had to be mailed/notarized/signed, etc. I purchased a house in July 2006 in middle Virginia. He lived in the southernmost tip of SC. There is no doubt we were separated and all that is detailed in our divorce and separation and witnessed by his command. SC was backed up on cases and it took us until after I met my then friend now fiancee to get the divorce finalized. I know that hurt the case a little, however it was clear that we had not lived together in a long time. Divorce is not something simple and quick, any idiot knows that. We had to mutually agree to assets and children while dealing with deployments and deal with overworked Navy legal. That in no way signifies my relationship isn't bona fide and furthermore we did not engaged till after my divorce.

I really liked Umrao Jaan. It's old and heartbreaking, but the story line was so good. The movie was captivating. I also liked Yuvraaj. If you're looking for other movies with a slight love theme you can try Ghajini. I have more but they are packed up right now coz I move on Saturday! Yay me!

in the meantime, contact your senators, email the embassy, etc. when we did, the senators in my state did jack squat, but i hear there are some good senators out there. i hope yours are. email the embassy to see what is going on. you may get a generic answer. also try calling the embassy yourself. it is sometimes difficult to get through, but if you are persistant, you can talk to someone. i found it easiest to get a person on wednesdays. but i recommend calling every day. you can go to their website to get the phone numbers, and i think they have a specific time they answer calls. mondays were the hardest days to get through. it will keep ringing busy. i remember having two phones going at the same time, plus my then fiance's dialing in to get through. so yes, it will take persistance.

I am a property owner in VA and live in NC. I emailed 4 senators (VA and NC) just now. I will call the embassy in a couple of hours when they open. I had no luck getting through to DOS today. I'm going to be calling tomorrow. I am also emailing the embassy as well. I just pasted the same letter in all 5 emails. I'm too stressed and upset to think of 5 different things to say and to be honest....I don't know that I could come up with 5. I requested in all 5 to have the case stay at the embassy and in the embassy email I requested a new interview. I'm going to Delhi no matter what. I am already making arrangements for my children to go somewhere, one will go with me since the jacka** at the embassy thinks my fiance's parents are bothered by my kids. I can't afford to take all 3 right now and my 7 year old is terrified of planes. So they are going to have to suck it up and deal with just one being there. I'm not sure whether I should be heartbroken or pissed.

If anyone knows of anything else I can do, please let me know. I can't think straight on my own right now. Thank you in advance!

P.S. My fiance is not awake yet. He is going to scan the documents first thing in his morning (in the next couple of hours). I will have them soon and will know what was stamped in his passport. I will update you all then. Thank you for all the support so far.

OMG some people just loveeeeee to use their power on others. He could have asked nicely and if only he would have listened. I heard that women CO are much better than male. I am so sorry on how they treated your fiance If I were you I would take a look at the scanned document and take what ever decision you want to take.

Melody good luck to you guys. BTW you two look cute together.

It gets WORSE!!!

After trying all day to get as much information as possible (he was on the Train and not in his Airtel coverage area and I have limited breaks at work and could not get off today) I found out even worse information. Apparently after the CO started yelling at him a woman came over to the CO. The CO whispered something to her then asked my fiancee a question and when he tried to answer they both burst into laughter. The question was "Why do you want to marry a divorcee with 3 kids?" The SAME question he was yelling before. They didn't let him answer. Then he was asked again "What exactly did your parents say when you told them she had 3 kids?" My fiancee replied that his parents told him it was his choice and the CO got irate and asked him again "What exactly did your parents say when you told them she had 3 kids?" My fiance answered "they said nothing." The CO got up and yelled at him that if his parents didn't care then his visa was denied, closed the window and left my fiancee sitting there thinking ####### just happened. He was in shock and didn't even pick up our papers and someone else had to point them out to him so he didn't leave without them. My fiance also said they had the paper typed up and ready before he sat down at the window, he saw it. He said every time he tried to answer the CO talked over him and more than once verbally berated him. He said one of the first things the CO mentioned was that our NOA-2 had expired. (I had contacted them about this and sent letters and emails requesting extension.)

Here's the problem. I can't just get up and go to India. I am a single mom to 3 kids, my father who I live with to help care for is about to undergo surgery to have a pacemaker installed. Even if I forgot all that, I have nowhere to leave my kids. Their dad is legally psychotic - why I left him - and my mother does foster care and getting the kids to stay with her requires a lengthy approval process to get approval through the state. I still would have went through all of that to go, however I'm in training right now and under contract that I can't miss any of it, let alone the 4 days minimum to fly straight to Delhi and back. I tried to get the interview sooner so I could go and they refused. They had no reason to hold his packet 4 at the embassy for 11 weeks before scheduling the interview anyway, then when they did schedule it they scheduled it for after the NOA-2 expired. I still have the correspondence I sent them and ID numbers/dates/times from the phone calls I made. I am not giving up. I'm not going down without a fight.

If I get another interview scheduled how long will that take? I need to start requesting the personal leave and getting the babysitting issues with my kids and caretaker issues with my father taken care of now. I am appalled at how my fiancee was treated. I will be writing a formal congressional inquiry after I make the phone calls. I will be forwarding complaints to everyone and anyone I can. No one deserves to be publicly humiliated (and he was because he said the yelling of the CO drew attention from several others, including another employee....so that tells you something is VERY wrong), or treated the way he was treated. You can't legitimately say we don't have a valid relationship because I have kids.

in the meantime, contact your senators, email the embassy, etc. when we did, the senators in my state did jack squat, but i hear there are some good senators out there. i hope yours are. email the embassy to see what is going on. you may get a generic answer. also try calling the embassy yourself. it is sometimes difficult to get through, but if you are persistant, you can talk to someone. i found it easiest to get a person on wednesdays. but i recommend calling every day. you can go to their website to get the phone numbers, and i think they have a specific time they answer calls. mondays were the hardest days to get through. it will keep ringing busy. i remember having two phones going at the same time, plus my then fiance's dialing in to get through. so yes, it will take persistance.

Thank you. I will. I'm waiting for the DOS to open as well. The embassy is closed for the day today. I will be calling as many people as I can. Should I start working on EOIR-29? He's going to scan his letter and his passport for me and send it to me in the morning, he won't get home in time to do it tonight. (Delhi was a full day's trip for him.)

He also told me the paper he received is just a letter. There is no number such as 221g or 214b. He said it has his name, our case number and then the line I mentioned above about being sent back followed by the not conclusive line typed above. He said there is nothing below that. No form number, no indication of a date. It is on letterhead (US immigration visa section).

I just got back through to my fiancee and he said the CO yelled (literally) more than 10 times "What did your parents say when you told them you were going to marry a divorced woman with 3 kids?" When my fiancee tried to answer him after he stopped yelling he started yelling "Why?"

I know that is unethical and not conduct becoming a CO. Can we file a complaint?

Can I do anything in the mean time? I'm already planning another trip for this summer with the money I had saved for the wedding. The waiting won't kill me (not literally anyway) but I feel like this is complete #######. How can you say someone doesn't have a bona fide relationship yet not give them the chance to submit proof. There were a lot of things that we couldn't have given them before the interview such as photo albums and such. We already submitted over 50 pieces of postal mail, 75 pages of phone logs and then after those ended 4 monthly statements detailing number of calls and minutes used between me and him and me and his family. The main question that they seemed to keep berating him about was how his parents felt about him marrying me since I was divorced with 3 kids. My fiancee said he kept coming back to that and saying how he didn't believe his parents would ever approve. His parents were there, he could have asked them (I know...not really but the angry part of me says he should have and we could have avoided this.) His whole family loves me. I speak to them on the phone in their native language regularly and submitted proof of that at the USCIS and to the VFS. Furthermore, we haven't even been on yahoo for almost 2 years, our entire relationship was moved offline. And how would what we were doing on yahoo before we met even matter for our relationship.

It expired on Jan 22. I wrote them about it, I begged them to extend it. He said the CO told him specifically he was denied but gave him the white piece of paper which usually means AR. I am going to have him scan it all and send it to me. I'm not giving up just because some CO questioned my being married before. I was separated from my ex for 2 years before I met my fiancee. They didn't even know that at the interview. He said they asked and when he answered and told him I left my ex in 2006 (we met in 2008) the CO started talking over him as if he didn't care. He said the CO tried to argue with him like that every time he tried to answer. He basically didn't even get to say hardly anything because they didn't even want to listen. They never even asked to see any papers or photos or anything.

Sorry for the multi-post but the edit is not working.

When he asked the CO why he was denied, the officer said here is your piece of paper and it will tell you why. The paper doesn't say why.

The white slip said - At the time of the interview the consular officer asked for further information to support the petitioner/petitionee relationship. The information provided was not conclusive and the officer did not revalidate the petition.

He also said they stamped something in his passport and gave it back. What would they have stamped in there?

My fiancee just finished his interview a little while ago. He went in and was interviewed by a male. The male never asked him for any evidence. He questioned him about why he would ever marry a woman who was divorced with three kids and wanted to know how his parents felt about it. Then he was belligerent because we met over yahoo, specifically wanting to know what we were doing on yahoo before we met. He continually insulted my fiancee then told him his visa was denied. My fiancee had to ask the consulate to stop speaking badly to him. Then he handed him a white slip that says the information provided was not conclusive.

He's on a train now so it's hard to discuss all of this with him and I don't have all the details. What should I do now? What happens next? What can I do?

My fiancee read me the piece of paper and it says something about stopping the petition and it is being sent back to the NVC. Anyone have any idea what all this means.

My thoughts about this....if you know he does it now and you know he plans to do it now and you say nothing and you don't talk this out to find a mutually agreeable resolution then you have absolutely NO right to say something after you get married. So, trust or not, cheating or not, crazy man stealing best friend or not, if you suspicions grow or you become more uncomfortable after you assume the title of wife, you will still have NO right to say something after you get married because by marrying him without raising a red flag on this is the same thing as consenting to the behavior. If it bothers you, work this out now. Your new marriage is going to have enough challenges without something like this to add to it.

I also was curious about one thing. After reading both your posts I can't help but wonder if he's planning on visiting other people as well after you get married. You mentioned he comes here to visit people 3-4 times a year. You also mentioned he saw her about a year ago. Does that mean he didn't go see her twice this past year? If not, why does he all of a sudden need to see her more? (I do understand the traveling will be cheaper, I just don't think that justifies it.) Being married means he is responsible to you and to take care of your needs, not run off just to hang out with his friends for a week here and there. Also are you going to be the sole supporter in the marriage? Or is he just going to spend 2 weeks of his vacation time with her every year and not taking you to some wonderful relaxing place to get some quiet time? Best friend or not, that doesn't seem fair to give some/most/all of the time you two could be making memories with some other woman - even if she is just a friend. If you decide to let him go, a weekend should be sufficient once in a while.

I would just like to point out the OP said he had only been here 10 days. Most of the things he mentioned are the same things that stress Americans out every time they move anyway. Think about it.....he's just like everyone else in this world....

We move...and the cable/phone/internet install fees and prices are different than what we paid before. Then there is no ...whatever your favorite food is.... where you moved to. Next thing you know the idiot drivers don't know what they are doing...where did they get their license...who let them pass their drivers test....

I'm sure you all get the idea. (well, hopefully). Actually most of us would probably say the same kinds of things if we were just on vacation somewhere. I've moved a lot in my life and I didn't see anything in his post I haven't said the same or very similar to myself and that's just moving from state to state. I'm a natural born USC and there are things about America that piss me off too. That IS what makes this country great. People get pissed, they start fussing and things get changed to make the country better. How do you know he won't join some group and help get those excessive cable rates lowered? Or since bread is a hot topic lately, maybe he'll start up his own bakery and remedy the situation for many people who crave sugarless bread. Just saying.....

As you will see in this letter, my i129f expires before my fiancee's interview. I have called, I have emailed and the answer is the same, it's up to the interviewer if they extend it or not. Fellow VJ'ers have told me that the chances are good they will extend it, however I'm sending a letter with my fiancee as an added measure (overkill?..maybe...I'm not taking chances). Writing things like this is just not my strong point. Any ideas, thoughts. How can I make sure my letter makes a positive impact and (with any luck) pulls at some heart strings without sounding like I'm whining or begging? Below is my sad, cut and dry attempt at throwing something together lol. I welcome any suggestions for making this letter work for me.

Thank you in advance!

To Whom it may concern, (I would really like to address this better - something catchy that will make the interviewer feel important)

The NOA-2 granted and I Rohit on September 22, 2009 expires on January 22, 2010. However, the embassy was unable to schedule an interview before it expired. Please be so kind as to extend the validity of our NOA-2.

Unfortunately I am unable to attend the interview with my fiance but I am available and standing by the phone (**insert phone number here**) should you wish to talk to me or if you have any questions or concerns.

Thank you for your consideration,

***siggy***

---should I mention why I can't attend the interview? (It's because I'm a single mom to 3 kids and can't just up and travel at random during the school year....I don't have family near that can watch them for me and keep them in school.)

Here is the link to the embassy's policy. It should clear up some of your questions.

http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/ivrulesfees2.html

Most people think moving to the U.S. is one big party. It's not. And people need to understand the hard realities of living over there. And discuss it before the big move in terms of expectations and reality. Not just "oh, it's gonna be great--we're going to be together and eat hamburgers." Don't think of it in exotic, romantic terms. It's hard even for well rounded, well traveled, easily adaptible individuals, much less those who've never left home, are intensely attached to their family, or never even been on an airplane before.

I moved to the U.S. when I was 18. I actually adapted quite easily, made new friends in college. The first few winters were a bit hard to take but I coped. I rarely got homesick. And whenever I did I just watched a Bollywood movie or some cricket online. Or cooked some chicken curry.

But I also saw other international students who didn't try to assimilate. They kept to their own home circles and isolated themselves. Then they complained about being homesick or not having American friends. Or feeling like they didn't belong. I went out of my to make sure I made friends based on personalities. Not nationality. Even though that would've been easier to do. But I didn't make friends with just South Asians or Indians just so that they would understand me better. Yes, there were times I had to repeat myself, or explain Indian film stars or Indian foods to my American friends just as they would explain the television shows they watched as a kid or their Halloween traditions. I had one rule of thumb: If I wouldn't be friends with that person in India, I wasn't going to become friends with him/her just because we both happened to be Indians in America. If I only wanted Indian friends, well, then I could've just stayed in India. Why move all the way to the other side of the Atlantic? This is something I don't understand about my cousins--one is in Singapore, and the other one is in London. Their friends are all Indians, they barely know any Brits or Singaporeans. Which is a pity, I think.

Two professors, at the end of the first semester, commented that they hadn't met anyone who had adjusted so well to a new life, much less an eighteen year old.

I do think the younger one is, the easier it is to assimilate and adjust.

That's really good advice. My boy is also a momma's boy who never left home and he has been stressing over this move somewhat already. I've already told him I was going to introduce him to all the Indians here so he can talk cricket which made him feel better. My American friends are anxious to meet him. I really want him to meet all kinds of people and thankfully he is fascinated by culture and there are a lot of different cultures where I live. So hopefully that will encourage him to want to pursue friendships with all different types of people. I honestly think he's going to be okay, but only because I'm very persistent at finding ways to make things work. His success and happiness is important to me.

I emailed and called. The email came back and said that the final decision rests with the interviewer and was really short and to the point. The lady on the phone kept saying don't worry the interviewer can extend it if he chooses to and if he doesn't then they would proceed accordingly. Ugh....I just feel sick. I will let you all know how it goes. I still plan to call the USCIS and see if there is anything they can do.

Thank you both. Delhi is a tough consulate and I am really scared. I have read over in the South Asia forum of people there being rejected and that being used as the reason. I don't think I'm going to have any trouble proving anything else on the case, especially not bonafide relationship, but to know this is hanging over my head when I worked so hard to do everything as fast as possible and as perfect as possible, this just really bothers me. Ugh.....

Interview date: Jan 28

NOA-2 expires: Jan 22

embassy: New Delhi

I called them and the embassy said that the interviewer could choose to extend the date or proceed accordingly. What are the chances that K-1 could be approved even though the NOA-2 expires?

Have any of you received your visa after your NOA-2 expired?

Thanks in advance.

My wife got her medical done yesterday and she got the results in the evening. No worries.

Thank you!

Have you called the embassy and asked to ensure that your petition doesn't expire?

Logic tells me that since you already have your interview date, it should be okay.

But a phone-call/email can't hurt.

Do you mean call them as if I was checking on things, then let them know the situation and request an extension?

Inzango:

Thank you for that suggestion as well. I think I'm going to do that, I don't have high hopes they will allow it, but it can't hurt to try! I think I am also going to call as Sachinky mentioned. They are so hard to get through to though, I'm sure I'm going to be up till 4 am trying to reach them.

You guys are great!!