ms_jinga_lala

it took a good 2 months before our case made it back to uscis.

Thank you for that information, I was curious how long it would take them.

I got my letter from the Senator. There was 2 copies enclosed of the response from the embassy. They didn't even apologize, they only said that they regretted it happened and that customer service was a high priority. Then they restated that the visa was denied for our NOA-2, but that is not what was in the DOS computer. He also said that the consular officers have to uphold the strict regulations and laws. That's good...coz this one broke the regulations and I have this letter to show that they agreed he wasn't supposed to. I may never know if it happened, but at the very least I hope they let him know he had a congressional inquiry filed against him so he can sweat over it. At the very least with his BS response I have more evidence for my case.

My fiance contacted the prime minister, who as it turns out is from his city and went to the same college and was recently discriminated against and denied a visa by the New Delhi embassy, to request his assistance. Regardless of the outcome we are both going to continue filing complaints. In the meantime we are also working on moving forward and continuing to pursue a visa, just at this point we are not sure which one - this one or a new one. The waiting sucks and still a full week later the NVC has not received his package back yet. I will keep you all posted.

0:00 - but I suggest 1:30 instead. Should take about that amount of time to fill out another K-1 or to fill out the I-130.

IE - you don't have to wait at all - once it's been pegged to be 'tossed back' to USCIS from a Consulate, you can apply for a new petition, IMMEDIATELY.

Good LUCK !

Thank you darnell! I think I will wait for the letter from my Senator to come in and then I want to make another call or two to the various agencies involved and then make my final decision as to how to proceed. It's nice I don't have to wait. I have him getting details for if we get married there and I'm planning my next trip - with one of my 3 kids in tow since the embassy wanted to drag them in the middle. I'm not giving up till I get my man!

Chennai website for Packet IV says one has to submit documents atleast 10days before the interview date to VFS. It also says one has to atleast pay the courier fee even though documents could be submitted right at the time of interview .

The problem for us is that my wife is atleast 12hrs away from the nearest VFS office and we have an infant child. So it is hard for her to go with all the original documents to submit to VFS office 10 days prior to the interview. I mean we will do it if we have to and do not have an option, but I am not sure about the wording on Packet 4 (information to appicants on Chennai website) as it says we can even submit on the day of the interview. So if it is optional we would just like to give them on the day of interview instead of making a trip to VFS office 10 days prior to our appointment.

Can anyone who has finished their Interview in any of Indian consulates , tell me on their experiences and let us know if it is required or if it is optional to submit all original documents to VFS? Could you also let me know if the applicant has to be present when paying the courier fee or if we can have someone else with our permission pay that VFS fees so we can avoid the travel to the VFS office.

Regards.

I highly recommend you turn them all in to the VFS early. I know it's difficult, however they want that information early so they have time to review it. If they don't have time to review it they could feel like you have information to hide. You want to give yourself the best chances possible, not give them a reason to delay your case. Maybe your wife could find a cousin or friend who could go with her to help care for the baby. She could treat it like a little mini vacation and if possible you can give her a little shopping money to buy something cute for herself and the baby. Set it out to be an adventure. Get her a motel room there if you have to, take some of the burden off the trip.

I am curious what information did you send in with the original petition that told the USCIS about your children? I have 3 children, and I dont recall where I could of included this information. I did send in divorce papers and the kids are in there... also when it is time for me to do the AOS I am going to have to earn enough for 5... so they will be included there. I am just wondering if you sent in any additional information... Or am I missing out on something?

Wow... you know I havent even considered this until this case, that our petition could be denied because of my kids... any advice for the rest of us that has yet to have an interview? I have 3 kids... and regularly they draw pictures etc... and I mail these to Amit and his family. Amit has mailed the girls some jewlery. When it comes time for his interview I am going to fly to Delhi with my Mom, and go along with him. I am open to suggestions on what else I might need to prepare for that I can get together and start collecting or doing...

Melody

Just a note, not sure if it matters. My fiance is 26, I am 32. He has never been married and has no children. These details would not ordinarily matter too much, and they may not now, but just so you know what I'm working with. His family is an educated family and is a lot more modern thinking than most of the Indians I have met.

In my case my divorce decree is about 20 pages long. There are full details about the children, child support, custody, etc. We divorced through the military and they covered every angle. I sent all the information mentioned in the guides here on visajourney and I did not front load my petition. There may be more details in my divorce decree than most people have. I wrote letters that were turned into the VFS - explanation of finances, details of me learning Punjabi to speak with his family, and a letter about meeting him - 4 pages in all. He turned in 27 pictures and 10 pieces of snail mail along with all the required documents. For my I-134 I submitted my tax transcript and a copy of the actual tax papers for 2008 and my W-2 statements, my divorce papers (again), 4 pay stubs from each of my jobs, job letters, bank letter, and all the required things listed here on visa journey. The consular officer found no problems with any of our documentary evidence.

My fiance took a photo album written by me in Gurmukhi (Punjabi) and English with over 100 pictures, more cards and letters, and some backup evidence just in case they were not satisfied with what was already submitted. That included more employee letters, and a couple of papers I thought were needed. They never asked for anything.

I got through to the USCIS today and spoke directly to an Immigration officer. The immigration officer told me that she believed the CO sent my case back out of his own bias. She told me that I did the right thing by contacting the Senator. I spoke with the Senator again today after faxing some papers they asked for and the lady who was helping me sounded upbeat and excited and told me they had contacted the embassy and that they had a response from them. She then advised me in an upbeat, happy tone again that they had sent me something in the mail and she was unable to tell me any information because she was not my actual case worker and that my case worker was the one who sent me something. I do have a little hope, but to be honest I am just happy to have had someone hear me and take action with me. Since her tone was upbeat and she didn't sound like it was not good news I'm a little hopeful that what they are sending me is good news. I will definitely keep you all posted. I'm not done making phone calls. I intend to call the NVC tomorrow. I don't expect them to be a tremendous help, but I want to talk to them to see if I can find out anything. Any information helps.

I am fully prepared to see all of this through to the end. I am prepared to accept if things do not go well and we have to start over, even though I would not be happy about it. I just feel like I owe it to myself to see this through. I feel like I owe it to the entire immigrant community to keep fighting and help curb this kind of ridiculous and frivolous ####### that is being dealt by the embassy. When my own case is over, I am seriously considering devoting myself to fighting for some kind of reform. I know it's not phenomenal but I will have a BSCJ in criminal justice on April 25th. I have already started pursuing training and opportunities to enforce my learning and I plan to use my skills to help others. I plan to be a thorn in immigrations side the way MADD is to drunk drivers. The CO's are not above the law and something needs to be done about their behavior. I am not the first and I will not be the only one fighting. In the meantime I found some links that you guys may be interested in or may find helpful. They are definitely worth reading.

Part 1 - http://www.ilw.com/articles/2004,0429-ellis.shtm

Part 2 - http://www.ilw.com/articles/2007,1018-ellis.shtm

Pay close attention to how often he mentions lawsuits. These CO's get sued all the time. This cost the government too much money, the more of us that stand together, the harder they will be on the jerks that pull this ####### on us and the more likely they will be to continue to regulate them. They won't keep losing so much money forever, they will want this kind of stuff to decrease.

I will keep you all updated as things continue to play out. Thank you all so much for your support, it's kept me strong and been very helpful through this entire process.

Looks like your hard work is paying off! Bravo for getting so much info!

Certainly, there is no doubt that the Consular officer made his own decision based on his own biases, but that is normal. It is part of the Indian culture to suspect why a man would want to marry a women who already has children from a previous marriage. It is definitely true that the CO is not supposed to deny a case based on facts already known by the USCIS but again, cultural discrimination pays a big part and even with very very determined people (several cases I have read on VJ over the years) I haven't so far come across a case where they were approved once the case was denied and returned to USA. I HOPE YOU ARE THE FIRST!! Please keep calling and making contacts with anyone who you think may help. Don't depend upon one person (example, the Senator's office), but try to get others to help you too, both in India and in USA. Think and think who else you can contact, and be determined. Keep us informed of every step! Hope and pray you can get your case approved ASAP!

Well, thank you! I'm definitely not done. I don't know what is going to happen with the petition now, however I was sure I had read on here of someone who had their petition reaffirmed and sent back but it had taken so long to accomplish. Even if this doesn't work out I want to make sure my complaints do not go unheard. As it is the embassy is not emailing me back and I've emailed several email addresses there associated with the embassy. I'm going to spend tomorrow making more calls....looks like I could be snowed in so I may get them all made tomorrow.

This kind of stuff is important for many reasons. You know he needs them, but most importantly he needs to feel you are worth it to make that trip to get the ones he can't get online or however else. If he's not willing to help you through the process then there is no need to file. It's not like he's rushed to do this. He can take his time, take a little vacation here and there, see old friends and pick up the clearances. It might be helpful if you tell him to get them "just in case" and that way it won't be any trouble later when you are both really stressing out over this process. He also needs to truly understand this is a hard process and requires both parties to work hard and do things they may feel are difficult for many reasons. You both have to feel the other is worth it. If he's backing down now, it's more than likely he's stressed and scared and it might be a good idea to just put the topic on a shelf for a little while. Wait for him to bring it up. He needs time to breathe and think about things. This whole process is enough to fry even the most intelligent mind and then some.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not delusional, I just see the good in this. I spent my weekend and most of today on the phone calling everyone that I could. As it turns out my Senator's office is going to help me! I never got through to the embassy - was calling from Friday until today, at least not to anyone helpful. Today I got through to the DOS. Boy let me tell you....some things are seriously out of place. There was no mention in their files that the case was denied because the NOA-2 expired, which if you saw the document I posted it clearly says it was expired and that was part of the denial. She said it wasn't even mentioned as a reason for denial. Then she told me the consulate had entered information in there as his reason for denial that was information that I had included in the original petition to USCIS. Specifically he typed in there that I was married with three children as part of the visa denial. She couldn't tell me word for word but after I developed a repoir with her, she gave me a lot of information, including a direct number for someone very specific to call at USCIS who could help me even more. According to their own regulations he can't deny (or revoke...don't have the info in front of me) the petition for things that the USCIS already knew. The consular officer also said because my fiance was nervous that he suspected fraud. Now that part I can't fight but so hard, he was nervous. Furthermore he was not offered or given the chance to speak with anyone in his native language and due to his nerves his English was very broken. But now that I know what the consular officer said, I have a much better understanding of what has happened. I also have hope that if I keep fighting this will turn out well.

The DOS told me that USCIS would interview me either in person or by mail and then the embassy may grant the visa with no second interview, may require us both to come in and be interviewed either separately or together. I'm ready.

Thank you all for your support and encouragement. Any of you ever been given this kind of information? I know now we are headed for the appeals process most likely, but it was my understanding the DOS didn't give you the information from the interview and I am surprised that she gave a direct line to someone at USCIS. I know in my heart the consular officer abused his authority to cause us trouble for no reason, and it looks like someone in a better pay bracket agrees with me. I feel more hopeful now.

Wow - that is weird, I never heard that about the denial not being permanent! Anyway keep calling, can't hurt!

I do know that once you hear that the petition has been returned to USA, there are other steps to take but I don't believe they have ever been successful. People usually just start over again with another petition.

Bleh....if I have to reapply, how long do I have to wait to reapply? I'm trying to understand the CR-1 process but I have so much going on I feel like I can barely read it...it's all in some foreign language only spoken by government officials lol. Where is my easy button......

Well, I'm on an adventure. I've called back a few times (or more) and I have spoken to 3 different representatives and gotten transferred to the automated system. It has a lot of good information and the first thing it says is about the denial not being permanent. But there is no way out of it and it doesn't say anything about reaching a live person. When I called the emabassy I simply stated "I need to speak with someone about my fiance's interview" and they said hold on and then transferred me to that system. I don't know what it is or how they got me there, but it's nice to get something out of them lol.

Be 100% honest about this when filing your petition this time. It would also be wise to write a letter explaining how you used your 90 days of the visa your first beneficiary received in order to be certain that the two of you were compatible and would be happy together and you learned that it was not going to work out and she returned to her country promptly. As far as how that will affect your new petition I can't really answer because I have not been through it. However if you search the forums using the search link I know you will find others who have already shared their story because I remember running across a few in my own quest.

Okay, so I've been calling everyone I can all weekend about this interview mess. Delhi is finally open again and I've been calling like crazy. Of course the 8062 number never answers so I called the 8000 number instead. The guy answered the phone sounding very American (this is funny...follow along) and I told him I needed to speak with someone regarding my fiance's interview and he said hold on and transferred me to an automated system. I had never heard this before and this was not my first call to either of those 2 numbers. The automated system gave me all these choices for different things I could do and I finally selected the one about the visa being denied. Then it said that a visa denial by the consulate is not permanent and if there is evidence that was not received by the consulate or was overlooked during the interview process we could request a review. Then it mentioned reapplying and starting over and we could do that as soon as 3 business days had passed after the interview. Then I waited to try to get back to the main menu and the system hung up on me so I called back to the 8000 number. This time the same American sounding guy answered and pretended not to hear me then he said his greeting in his Indian voice (that's the funny part) and hung up on me while I was talking. So I called back and he said he didn't transfer me to an automated system the first time (it was his same American voice when he answered but he went back to being Indian after a few sentences lol) and said that I needed to wait and call the 8062 number. He talked to me this time as I tried to explain I really wanted to be transferred to the automated system again because I was getting good information that was helping me and he insisted I call back between 10 am and noon on the 8062 number.....I gave up lol.

So all that stuff about the denial - does that apply to the K-1? I know I'm now trying even harder to get the review requested. I will be making more phone calls all day tomorrow and probably gonna be up all night. Any thoughts? ideas?

Thanks!!

It's not Hindi but I really like "the other end of the line" it's about an american that falls in love with an indian girl over the phone....it's so good. Also from Amritsar to LA is good, you can find it in english or subtitled as well. In english it's "Bride and Predjudice" I believe.

Also, go on Netflix.com and you can browse their categories. they have an impressive selection of indian movies.

Hi ms_jingle_lala,

I am so sorry for your situation! I'm not trying to add to the heartbreak, but I just want to give you our experience. Just prior to us filing for the K-1 Tarun went to try to get a tourist visa to come over and meet my family in person. He went for the interview and they straight away denied him and told him that because he had the intention of immigrating they could not, by Consulate rules, give him a tourist visa, even though he had ties there and we were planning to go through the proper channels to bring him here. I'm afraid that because your visa was just denied they would be even less likely to give him one and it would be heartache for you guys all over again. These are just my opinions mixed with a little bit of experience, and I just wanted to put it out there even though I know things are tough for you right now and you so badly want to see him. Keep your chin up and keep fighting!

~Jen

Thank you for sharing. I am just lost right now. I don't know what to do or where to go. I'm a big "fix it" person and I don't know how to fix this. Bleh.

Thanks everyone.

i have not read everything that everyone else has asked you or stated.......but did his family write and sign a letter about the engagement showing that they know about it? one thing i would do if u refile is have them address this issue that seemed to catch the attention of the person giving the interview.......delhi is a pain in the butt......they are not a friendly embassy and seem to act on what ever they feel is correct regardless of humiliation and pain they give the person in the interview....

i have written to Mrs Clinton a few times she i believed helped us get out of csc black hole but at this point has not bothered to respond to any letters i have written........she did state when she helped us thru csc to contact her if we had any more problems with this visa.......

good luck to u and you have been added to our prayers

sara

Where do I find her fax # or the address to write to? I've looked all over the website, maybe I'm missing it. I did email DOS already. I still want to contact her more directly if possible.

Thank you!

Thank you. That is helpful. His whole family is devastated and now he thinks we may lose parental support altogether. He's dramatic. I'm not sure how I'm going to manage going. I'm living with my disabled father to help take care of him and he is awaiting surgery to have a pacemaker put in to keep his heart beating (thankfully at that point he'll have a nurse and I can breathe), I am a single mom to 3 kids and I can't leave the kids with their father because he's legally psychotic. I can't go or take any time off of work before March because I'm under contract and any absence will automatically result in termination. I'm sure that's not enough to prove hardship considering how the consulates are. I'm working on going as soon after that as possible though. That's why I couldn't attend the interview either.

It is a hardship on me to just get up and go to India. If we get a second interview I will go no matter what, however my fiance wants to come and visit me in the mean time. He has a residence there, he would only be visiting here, he does not qualify for VWP.

How would you prove economic ties, social ties, and binding ties? He doesn't own anything of his own. As most Indians do, he still lives with his parents and still handles everything in cash. I read somewhere that he needed to have $50,000 USD in a bank account. That seems extreme. He's only 26, wouldn't it seem fishy for someone that age to have that much money in a bank account already?

How long does the process take to get a visitors visa?

I'm adding my case to this list. My fiance had his interview on Jan 28. The embassy received his packet 4 on November 12 but didn't schedule his interview until after the NOA-2 expired on Jan 22. I emailed them and requested an earlier interview but they said no. At the interview my fiance was yelled at, publicly humiliated, and the CO denied him when he refused to change his answer to the question "What did your parents say when you told them she was divorced with three children?" At one point in the interview another CO came over (the female) and the two of them proceeded to question and laugh at my fiance. I'm now doing anything and everything I can to get a second interview. It's going to pose a serious hardship for me to get there due to family circumstances here but I'm going to do everything in my power to get there this time. I've emailed 4 senators, DOS, the New Delhi embassy, and am in the process of emailing Hillary Clinton, the Ambassador, possibly the president, and anyone else that I feel may make some small difference. The denial letter said that the NOA-2 expired and we did not have enough proof of our relationship. The standard BS just to torture people.

So the OP thinks she gets a special privilege and big guns intervening for her just because CO was rude? Wow. Welcome to the real world!

No...actually I think I they are worth asking for because I'm not going to roll over and die and I'm not afraid to ask for their help. This is the real world where some people don't give up and keep going no matter what. The CO was not just rude, he was unprofessional and unethical. As an American citizen I have a voice and I'm not afraid to use it unlike the people who just b*tch and groan and choose to do nothing.

you have the right attitude, and i believe you will be successful know that there is always other options. if you haven't already, i still recommend reading the pinned topic on the MENA forums. if you post on there, someone who has been through this will answer. especially kiyah. she is the best. she went through this and is willing to help any and everyone. also i contacted marc ellis. he is on here as ellis-island. he is a great attorney who has helped many get through this. although i did not retain him, he did answer general questions. i know many people on here have retained them, and they are all with their SOs today. keep up the fight

Thank you. I will go post on there now. I'm not sure what to ask a lawyer. I really can't think straight and I don't know where we went wrong. I planned for every red flag I could. I put letters in the package explaining everything in full detail that I thought could cause any kind of doubt or questions. I emailed them, I called them. I wasn't naive enough to think that they were going to say something about the divorce and kids. My fiance knows everything about my previous marriage and all details associated with the divorce and after-divorce. We weren't engaged when I got divorced, we weren't making wedding plans at that time. I even addressed the issue of why I haven't made multiple trips to India, none of that mattered.

At any point will I find out why they denied him? I need something better than that they didn't think our relationship was real. I even supplied proof of our parents exchanging gifts. If it wasn't real, why would they exchange gifts (and they did that more than just at the ring ceremony, it's been an ongoing thing). I supplied proof of my phone calls to his family members - most of which do not speak any English. I detailed my learning of their language. He even gave the consular officer permission to talk to his parents who were with him there.

This just makes me think. If we as Americans are fighting for better treatment for prisoners of war, why the hell are we allowing law abiding citizens to be treated like this? It's just wrong.

There have been a few cases where second interviews have been granted in cases where congressman or Sneators have been contacted. Correlating one to the other is near impossible, but it is free to try. The State Department does not report to the legislative branch and they are charged with preventing visa raud and are given a broad hand in so doing. The Inidan sub-continent is rife with visa fraud, especially in family visas. They are just very sensitive about this and something your fiance said or did, or some circumstance of your case was a trip wire for them.

DO NOT assume it was the question they asked him over and over again and reacted badly to. In fact, I will nearly assure you 100% that was NOT the problem. It is a very common tactic for them to "seem" to focus on something as a distraction, especially when being group interviewed, and then another interviewer tosses in other questions. The subject is so confused and distracted and afraid he is going to be denied for something that isn't true, he gives an inconsistent answer to an earlier question and doesn't even realize it. Distraction and disorientation are among the absolute best interogation tools...short of waterboarding. They are used not only by law enforcement, government, but also doctors, attorneys and insurance companies (google "Waddell's Signs")

If the phone calls don't get you a second interview then you have a couple options.

1. Let them deny the visa and file a new I-129f for a new K-1. By the time your interview comes along you will know the reasons and can avoid those problems the next time. Appealing this visa will take longer and cost more. Start over.

2. Go to India and get married and file a CR-1. The problem with this is that it can still be denied and then you are still legally married.

Thank you, your post was very reassuring and helpful. I am emailing and calling like crazy to anyone and everyone I can. I'm not giving up. I've been researching. If this one fails how can I avoid getting the flat for misrepresentation? I know we may be able to get a waiver later, but I had rather avoid this all together. How long would it take to fail? I'm addressing all options, I have him talking to a lawyer about marriage regulations already. I want to be prepared for all options.

Even if another visa gets denied, I still love him. I want to be with him. I had much rather that be in person than over the phone and through a few visits. I won't give up. I can't. No matter how devastating this is, I just can't quit. I feel so broken right now.

A Stokes interview is used by USCIS more often than consulates, but consulates have been known to use them if fraud is suspected. The basic theme is that the petitioner and beneficiary are interviewed separately, and then their answers are compared. Sometimes it will involve two interviewing officers, each interviewing one of the parties simultaneously. After several hours of questions, they will switch interviewers and repeat the process. The Stokes interview process is long, grueling, and often involves deeply personal questions. The interviewers usually take an extremely adversarial position - they yell at the interviewee, make serious (usually false) accusations against them, accuse them of lying, threaten them with severe consequences for their alleged 'criminal' fraud acitivity, etc. Imagine 4 hours in a private room with a Marine drill instructor, where no answer you give is going to be acceptable, and you're beginning to understand what it's like.

USCIS will usually conduct a normal interview first. If they aren't satisfied with the results, they'll schedule a second interview, which is usually a Stokes interview. Some consulates have been known to demand that the petitioner appear for a Stokes interview if they aren't satisfied with the results of the initial interview with the beneficiary. This means the petitioner has to hop on a plane and fly to the beneficiary's country for the interview.

A Stokes interview is perfectly legal, and considered an important tool in fighting immigration fraud.

Ironically, I can imagine that. My ex husband is a Marine, I was married to him for 14 years while he was in the Corps (he went psycho...legally diagnosed now...I was the one he went psycho on which is why I left him 2 years before meeting my now fiancee). I think the power these individuals have has gone to their heads. I just don't understand how someone who was American (my fiancee got the only white CO there) could act like 2nd marriages are so uncommon. It happens everyday in America with way too many people having 3 or more marriages. Me being married previously does not signify that my new relationship is fraud.

I've been doing my research and the CO can't deny our visa because of information that was known to USCIS at the time I petitioned. I submitted a copy of my separation papers and divorce papers to USCIS in the very beginning. Both were dated and there were witnesses that testified that we had been separated for a little over 2 years before the divorce. I also had written them well in advance of the interview (6 weeks in advance) about the NOA-2 expiring. This was something they chose to do because they could get away with it. It's bullshit. Someone needs to do something about this system and stop allowing the CO's to just toy with someones life at random. They had the denial letter ready before my fiance even sat down, he saw it in front of the CO before the questions started. They never had any intention of granting the visa, they just chose to subject him to the humiliation and degradation for their own entertainment.

I don't even know where we go from here. I'm so broken I can't even think.

Thank you Third.

Letters and emails to senators are ok, presuming the senator's office decides to do anything for you. Presumably, two of the senators you wrote to are the senators representing your state. Don't be surprised if the other two politely refuse to do anything for you, and refer you to the offices of your state's senators.

Consulates and embassies are under the Department of State. You can try sending an email to DoS, as well as the office of the Secretary of State, Ms. Clinton. If you can get her office to take a personal interest in your case, then you should get some very fast action.

I don't mean to be callous, but good luck getting anywhere with this. Many consulates use similar tactics to try to uncover visa fraud, and these tactics pale in comparison to a Stokes interview, which is a tactic used by consulates as well as USCIS. A Stokes interview lasts for hours, involves both the US citizen sponsor and the foreign beneficiary/immigrant, and is comparable to the interrogation of a terrorist suspect (without the rubber hoses and waterboarding). It's brutally severe, and perfectly legal. While it's the stated policy of many consulates to treat applicants with courtesy and respect, the truth is that they often do not when visa fraud is suspected. In spite of tens of thousands of complaints, nothing has changed.

Anyway, it never hurts to have a senator on your side, and it can result in breaking down roadblocks set up by the consulate.

Good luck!

I'm okay with callous. I just need some direction. I don't care how rough it sounds, if there is a chance - no matter how small - I will do it. I'm going to email Ms. Clinton. I may even appeal to the president. I know I'm a small person in the grand scheme of things, but complaints add up. I want my voice in there. This is ridiculous.

What is a Stokes interview? When is that used and what is that for?

Thank you.

Hmmm....where do I find the fax numbers? I can't fax it tonight because I don't have the means...which unfortunately means this will all have to sit until Monday...however I will fax and call them. I'm calling them tonight as well. I have my emails to my 4 senators ready to go and one to the DOS and one to the embassy, just giving myself time to think and tweak them before sending.