mohamed N melinda

i never said that was legal marriage

thats religios marriage . see muslim concern only by religious marriage we went to the court to make it leagal they refused as usa wasnot allow that

so we marrried islamically till they allow it . then they allow it year later we were already filed k1 visa

for all non muslim islamic halal marriage is offer and accept and 2 witness . say islamic saying as both couple accept each other to marray. dowery given to the wife . then you write the contract and the wife can put the condition she want in it then to make it known for all poeple by party or any way

so all the poeple around you know this woman is wife of this man

after this the marriage is halal and legally and halal 100% in Allah eyes.

So is it a legal marriage or not? Is it correct that it has never been registered? I understand we have a language barrier here and this is not clear to me.

i never said it was registered in court . so it isnot legal marriage cause it never stamped by court

what we talk about is it islmaically legal halal or not?

and for sure it is legal islamically and halal

hahahaha i told you be4 mine is and has all islmaic marriage requirement

It has the fiqh requirements, the mechanics, but not the morality or the dignity of an Islamic marriage under sharia. But, you have shown that you don't understand the difference. The sheikh said no decent woman enter into this type of contract, and I will add, no decent Muslim man would let her.

Will you let your daughter do what you had melinda do? I doubt it.

dont talk about decent women plz as you as so far from that to marry boy in your gandson age . so can ask why as u asked why i married her

i can answer for you sure for your sexual desires. what make guy is 20 marry on older than him by 25 years and she cant even give him kids to start familly????

thats good at least u addmit it it hasfiqih requrment and mechancs before my marriage was haram

who may be after few hours you will say the truth and say it halal

whos know

hahahaha i told you be4 mine is and has all islmaic marriage requirement

but i know some mam married 30 years non muslim and live in haram and if she had kids so they are haram kids i know the feeling what she will feel . i feel bity for you and dont wish it for any one

just tell the truth here about islam mam . dont be afraid that if other u were wrong in some thing thats not shame on you.

non of us in angel

you just choose certain parts and talk about it while you ignore the other

be brave and face those poeple

whats the person feel when he knew his 30 years marrige was in Haram

ohhhhhhh i know the feeling .

Zawaj al-Misyar ( a kind of marriage) has two forms: 1) Zawaj al-Misyar means contracting a marriage between a man and woman. This contract meets all conditions of normal marriage such as presence of woman's guardian and two honest witnesses. But, as for rights of housing and financial support, a husband is not responsible for them all, since his wife will live in her own home, where he comes to her as a husband. In addition, she is requested to provide for her own needs.

women dont recieve any dowery

If the customary marriage fulfils the conditions and pillars of a correct marriage contract, such as the consent of the guardian, the presence of two witnesses, the proposal and acceptance (between the husband and the wife), and making the marriage public, then it is a correct marriage contract. The only difference is that this marriage is not authenticated in the court, and it is permissible (acceptable). However, the secret marriage which takes place between a man and a woman without fulfilling the above conditions, is not considered a legal marriage, rather it is an illegal relationship for which the man and the woman are sinful

How well do you suppose that "agreement" would hold up in court?

One big difference between Islamic law and Anglo-American law is that the latter does recognize common-law marriages in some circumstances as just as legally binding as a marriage. She'd probably have a pretty good case for half the house.

And you're absolutely right that it wouldn't be a marriage, and as such wouldn't be automatically subject to the same legal wonkery in the event of the relationship terminating. And she certainly wouldn't be filing for a divorce.

i never said that was legal marriage

thats religios marriage . see muslim concern only by religious marriage we went to the court to make it leagal they refused as usa wasnot allow that

so we marrried islamically till they allow it . then they allow it year later we were already filed k1 visa

for all non muslim islamic halal marriage is offer and accept and 2 witness . say islamic saying as both couple accept each other to marray. dowery given to the wife . then you write the contract and the wife can put the condition she want in it then to make it known for all poeple by party or any way

so all the poeple around you know this woman is wife of this man

after this the marriage is halal and legally and halal 100% in Allah eyes.

The source of fiqh is supposed to be the Quran and Sunnah. When you were asked to post ayat to support your nikah, you said we can wait forever. You couldn't do it

sure fiqih is from quran and sunnah and hadith . my marriage is the marriage all muslim do but not register by the court for some reason

and where is your evidence thats is haram nothing

and where your evidence from quran that your marriage 30 years was halal nothing lol

u lived in haram 30 years u should know that . Allah forgive every thing but when u deny it was haram thats the big problems

There are quite a few who say what you did is wrong because not all of them agree is is right. I work with eight scholars and that all went thumbs down on it.

there is non of them say what i did was wrong but you lol if u consider you from ummah eluma ( doubt it so much) since u r in doubt to be jsut muslim not ummah ulema AND YOU KNOW WHY

I said you have a traveller's/tourist marriage, which is an unregistered contract entered into for sex by Muslims and foreigners. They are common in ME tourist areas and are performed at lawyer's offices, like your's was. You had a tourist marriage, no legality to it, no imam, no masjid. You must have been telling ppl you married in a masjid, because that;s what they were saying. Did you tell them that?

who say halal marriage should be done by imam or in masid lol another fault as educated muslim woman!!!

u can call my marriage as you want as long as it halal in Allah eyes

See, that just points to the fact that you are not married, and you know it. Egypt is not aware of this "marriage", neither is the US. You wanted a roll in the hay and took a shortcut to pleasure. Then you didnt want to follow the law at home, but you will follow the law in the US. You taught your woman to disrespect the law in a Muslim country, then she went home to follow the law in a non-Muslim country. Talk all you want about fiqh, you haven't done what the ulema require in Egypt either

i am not married lagal by court in Egypt and i never said that but my marriage islamically is halal 100%

Oh, I'm so hurt.

This discussion has been going on for three days. You just got here and you want to not only run it, but you're already joining in on the insults you were just condemning. Didn't take you long to show your true colors. See how easy it is?

I have read all the threads surrounding this topic. I know that people are interested in the arguments and it would like it to continue but that there are many who do not like the insults and have tried to calm things down several times. That is laudable because it would be a shame to close such an interesting topic. However if, as the person who is most educated on this topic, you insist on using your education to berate a particular couple then you have also lost critical perspective. You can't seem to see this, which as I said is a shame because if you just dropped the invective this topic could continue productively.

i wish she is that educated person at least in islam she just play with english words

when all fiqih ummah agree on what we did was legal islamic marriage no single muslim in this earth will say that our marriage was Haram just vw for her sick personal desire we i disagree with her about non muslim man marry muslim women

when i asked her about evidence from quran and sunnah as i am new muslim and dont like alot about islam (lol) to learn from her education she didnot provide it or at least from fiqih

nothing from fiqih nothing from quran nothing from shariah

just from her opeinion and mind how funny

i am not taking it personal problem as she did i knew very well my marriage was legal islamically and halal

she come one time and say your marriage is mutaah another say your marriage is misyar another say orfi

and i have post whats differnce between the three of them and my marriage is no one from them and she even avoided talking about this point

and how smart you are when u asked why i dont register the marriage now in egypt after they allow it . so we will have to file again k3 smarty and wait more time

vw say something new or say nothing and respect the poeple mind here they had enough from you

when u talk talk about islamic view non of your busniess what law in egypt say even our contract we can register it

talk by quraan and sunnah and hadith

or say nothing

i think u got lost

Buh bye, Mo. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

lol

Well I think both sides have pretty much presented their arguments.

I'm not quite done. On the other thread, I asked melinda and mohammed a question: Who is in possession of their marriage papers?

the contract is 2 copies one with me and other with her

Mohamed, I would be happy for you to post from the Quran ayat that prove that your unregistered, unenforcable law office nikah is valid in Islam. You have called on me to prove it is not, but you also have not proved that it is, and I would like to see if you can do it. Post from the Quran, not fiqh, where men make the rules for women. Please present God's rules.

Also, Ihaveaquestion asked you about who has the copy of your nikah. Please answer.

It's clear that few of the women here are buying what you're selling, and calling me names hasn't helped you nor stopped my challenges. Try to be constructive and show us where Allah agrees with you.

you better addmit u was wrong virtual wife . it is not shame but the shame when you u know u r wrong and insist u r right it is devile behavior

....to see Quranic words about this subject. We are all learning so much from this thread.

jJ

u will wait forever jakie lol

thats ok ganja i will accept you offer

diet coke

no beer sorry Ganja there is pepsi

Please, lets keep it calm in this forum or they will lock it up.

she fail to show the evidence which support her accuse.

i think all of you now she is lier and it is shame on her to use islam for personal attack and personal desire. i hope she ask forgivness be4 it is too late for her

where is the brave american mam virtual wife to answer the questions. /////////

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she better admit she was wrong and aplogize in this time we might forgive her and understand that she was under stress but no more pretend mam

have learned from this exchange with you that I can quote form the Quran all I want and you will not accept it. But I also know that you regret not having registered your papers and made your union whole. I'm sure it will be a great relief to you when you have that done.

once again u fail to provide me with evidence from quran and sunnah for the marriage

i think now all know you are lier and accussing poeple only. try to post only one single ayah and i wont dicuss you on it

I do worry about how you will treat melinda once you are here, tho. You have a firm grasp on how fiqh rulings treat women as second class to men, and that's ok with you. I wonder when you will use that to subjugate your family to you under your idea of the law. If you can do this paper marriage and send her home to file a K1, then come here and show your a$$ as you do, what other disrespects are you capable of? She seems to be very naive and trusting when it comes to Islam and her rights, and that may be good for you, but bad for her. Time will tell. I will make dua for her. You, I leave to Allah to deal with.

lol i advise you to mind your own busniess and dont worry about my wife . she is such wonderful woman understand her rights and duty as islam said

and by sorry you have affected by media there and say as they say that muslim treat women as second class and that not true at all and then u come and claim you are such good women !!!!! how funny. quraan and islam was clear on women rights and duties and if you refuse quraan you know what you will be or if you dont know try to ask imam about it!

oh and now you bieng nice polite woman too late mam. when u knew you were wrong you think poeple here are stupid and will believe you lol

just answer the questions i have asked as u consider yourself of ummah ulema .

since you cant answer it or support u accusse to me so never say i am muslim again

got lost

I hope you haven't resorted to your husbands level of maturity. My roots are related to Islam , I do get offended when people portray Islam incorrectly. I could've said the same to you "You converted bec of your husband" .I'm not trying to judge but you're husband probably had alot of people on here fearing for you the way he lashed out at another woman. Would mohammad still feel you are in the right if you married another egyptian man in the same manner? (you don't have to answer) His characteristics portrayed on this board were extremely offensive. As a wife you should teach him respect to women and elder women no matter how angry he gets. Calling someone ugly and old is resorting to 5th grade and shows no tolerance. Comming to USA he should learn how to speak with Respect no matter what.

i know how to speak with respect but when u talk with woman dont know how to respect herself forst and her religion how you ask me to talk with respect with her

and come on sarra if i said wife come first before familly as you wish me to say in topic from few weeks then i would be talk with respect . u want me to agree with you to raise your kids from muslim man as chirstains so i will be in your opinion talk with respect . you want me to agree with you on name muslim man kids jewish names so i would be speak with respects

thats your own busniess and your hubby and i am not into it but islamically it isnot right at all

if i would agree with you in all that so i would be talk with respect

for virtual wife i asked you certain questions about evidence from quran and you failed as always to post it as educated muslim women as you pretend and try to get me to talk in another thing to escap from answering it. when i talked about shirk of woman who marry non muslim man it wasnot my personal opinion it is all ummah ulema and fiqih ulemma too so it wasnot mine

vw again if you have respect for your self and for poeple here and for your religion dont post anything else here or anywhere in this site before you provide the evidence of the our marriage is haram from quran and sunnah . if u didnot so you are just lier

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

Lots of people get it, but you pretend that I said nothing because you can't agree with me and admit you were wrong. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink.

If your woman is happy with a fake Islamic marriage, then she's happy. You taught her well not to respect the laws of your Muslim country. That's part of a great Islamic education.

Not!

i knew u will find way to escape as awlays

now u saying fake islamic marriage without any evdence dont you think poeple that insult me without evidence dont u consider that personal attack again and again??

ok i wont be mad anymore but i asked her to show from quraan and she couldnot

whats your open in that????????????????????????

now she show her real face

it is enough for me in this thread

salam for all

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

Lots of people get it, but you pretend that I said nothing because you can't agree with me and admit you were wrong. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make 'em drink.

If your woman is happy with a fake Islamic marriage, then she's happy. You taught her well not to respect the laws of your Muslim country. That's part of a great Islamic education.

Not!

i knew u will find way to escape as awlays

now u saying fake islamic marriage without any evdence dont you think poeple that insult me without evidence dont u consider that personal attack again and again??

ok i wont be mad anymore but i asked her to show from quraan and she couldnot

whats your open in that????????????????????????

now she show her real face

it is enough for me in this thread

salam for all

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

ok every body one last post here to put end of that

wv accused my marriage isnot Halal and not legal islamically even in Allah eyes

and some here believed her

well if she could post only single ayah from quran or hadith say that marriage provided in it 2 wittiness and dowery and gold as gifts and flat and know for all familly and friends is Haram or not legal islamically so i will agree with her on it

but if she couldnot she dont have to post anything here again or talk about islam

deal

We have told you to tell the customs agents at your POE all about how married you are. Use that fatwa (another OPINION), and take it to them.

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just i care as muslim that my marriage is legal islamically HALAL and in Allah not anything else

i wont repeat it million time i dont care about what wv or anyone else think about our marraige

she didnot even commented about misyiar and orfi and muta marriage i was expected from her to attack that too

really feel bity for her

THATS NOT EVIDENCE WV

as u know drinking wasnot forbiden in islam at first but Allah forbid muslim to pray while they are drinking then Allah forbid it completly later

your story doesnot mean it is allowed to non muslim man to marry muslim woman AT all

got lost lol

i dont care what others think of our marriage as we believe it is halal and islmaically legal

vw called our marriage muta and another time misyar and other time ori thats confusing

misyar marraige the wife has not right by her own acceptance

and muta marriage has certain time to end after this it isnot valid

ori marriage it is by contract and 2 wittiness but it is secret betwwen the wife and husband only

and our marriage was known for all poeple familly and friends. and it is for certain time writing in contract as they do in muta marriage contract and she had all her right as dowery and gold and flat so it isnot misyar

she said that for her sick personal desire when i told her that marriage between muslim woman and non muslim man is haram and it is the truth . all muslim believe that. most of you has muslim spupose ask him or her about that and the answer will be for sure yes it is haram and islam forbid it

but she just dont like to state it

i am sorry if i offended any one

and any any new muslim wont believe her lies for the sake of Allah