Marek50

15 hours ago, nykolos said:

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You're wrong again, just like you were wrong about litigants having priority ahead of other K Visa applicants.

 

 

 

Everything else is like beating a dead horse at this point. Litigants in the Milligan case have gotten priority over everyone else just like ALL the mandamus cases Josh Goldstein  has done so far. Can you cite an example where they have not gotten a priority? Just because someone says something out of opinion, I wouldn't believe it as fact. Look at the facts to find your answer on this one. 🙂  They may not supposed to be able to get priority, but they do and they have in past practice. The judge only cares about the case in front of them.

17 hours ago, nykolos said:

Just because you failed to comprehend what I posted, doesn't make it a lie.. I quoted a member who's NO2 date was in May of 2020, the USEM in Manila closed in March of 2020, that's amounts to a 2 month backlog of petitioners who are front of him.. And to say that a 2 month backlog amounts to 8 months is pure speculation on your part, you posted nothing to substantiate that.

 

Yes, at the time I posted this, I called Philippine Airlines and was informed that I could go to the Philippine consulate and request a Tourist Visa, Vaccination required, once I have that I can book my flight.. No quarantine, however it would be subject to change.

 

I have to ask, Are you associated with a law firm? I suspect that you and some others here are as well, otherwise why are you being so defensive? and why are you pushing so much negativity about Petitioners who don't join in the lawsuit?, It reads like YT videos from Immigration lawyers who push these same doom and gloom scenarios, suggesting; "If you don't acquire our services or join in our lawsuit, it could be years before you see your fiance",  Or as one wrote, "you wont be with your Fiance for Christmas"  LMAO.   

I see a lot of Immigration attorney's on social media taking full advantage of Covid and the lock downs, just like they have with other tragedies of the past, They're the modern day version of Ambulance chasers, what remains unchanged is they'll never offer their clients a guaranty of success,  if their unsuccessful in the lawsuit, the Attorney's keep all the money you paid, and you're no further ahead than you were before you gave the money, just $2500 poorer.

 

 

 

 I'm going to help you out with a little dose of logic and reality for the sake of good will. The Embassy, even if they were to start resuming regular K1's like they have magically just stated DO NOT HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO THEM. Do you think they are fully staffed just waiting to resume full capacity???? Are you seriously that naive and uninformed ?  I'm not trying to be nasty, but wholly cow dude. You are living in a fantasy world right now. And PH Air is now in charge of entry into the Philippines??? Please let us all know how that appointment at your local closed consulate goes for your tourist visa 🙂 The only people taking advantage of the covid lock downs are the US embassies. True story.  I don't have any issue at all that you have not joined the lawsuit but just be honest with yourself first and foremost. You are going to be waiting a long time, you seem ok with that and there is nothing wrong with your decision either, 🙂

40 minutes ago, John & Rose said:

It is awful.  The lawyers got $2500 per couple with around 150 couples for Manila alone and really no way for the plaintiffs to actually get any real relief.  Similar cases are filed in Brazil and Russia.  Not sure if they got enough plaintiffs to move forward.  

These are the top immigration lawyers in America. Relief comes via a writ of mandamus, that's what a mandamus suit was designed to do 🙂   Just to give everyone some background, they didn't want to take this suit at first, so it wasn't about the money. They wanted to make sure they could win the lawsuit and make sure they could get our cases expedited if we won. $2500 for mandamus suit is a steal. I checked with another lawyer before I joined who had no skin in the game and he said it was absolutely winnable.

On 4/4/2021 at 2:21 AM, nykolos said:

"don't go whining"? LOL   the only whining were going to hear is from the litigants who got ripped off for $2500 and are still apart from their Fiance's...  Words like "cautiously optimistic" are merely a hook,  a hook to reel in desperate petitioners who've been apart from their Fiance's, and who feel they have no other recourse.  Even if by some miracle this Class action lawsuit is successful, the plaintiffs named do NOT have priority ahead of other K1 Visa applicants, meaning they still have to wait for the backlog in front of them, did you know that?

 

This is what I don't understand about you,  your NO2 is in May 2020, that means you only have a 2 month backlog in front after the embassy reopens, which is expected soon now that vaccinations are underway in Manila, and yet you're joining a class action lawsuit? or is this more about promoting one?

 

And I most definitely will be with my lovely Fiance for Christmas and for New Years,  regardless if she's here in the US or the Philippines, since Foreign travel into the Country is already opening up,  For $2500, I could book 2 round trips plane tickets and it would be a sure thing that I would be with her,  unlike rolling the dice with a group of greedy and opportunistic lawyers.

 

 

Everything you said is completely false. Literally everything you said. Plaintiffs absolutely do get a priority, it's a mandamus lawsuit, did you know that? (educate yourself on mandamus)  May 2020 is not a 2 month backlog once the embassy opens to regular K1's. They will not open to full capacity in the next year at the soonest (please read the news, either CNN or Fox will do for this topic) So that 2 months is more like 8 months to a year or more at best, and that's once they re open, whenever that is . Lastly, foreign travel is opening up in the Philippines????  Yeah ok, with covid spiking there and a president using it for a power trip? They have had the longest lockdown of any country and now the are going to open up????? Because you think they will???? Sorry man, you didn't join and you have a bunch of excuses telling yourself why. Unfortunately they are all a false narrative you have made up to make yourself feel ok with making a terrible decision. But hey, if that helps you sleep and night, that alright. 🙂

1 hour ago, Adventine said:

  

I still believe that you have been misled somewhere or that the CFO officer gave you advice based on incomplete / inaccurate information. I say this because I have travelled many times as a single woman and I have never ever been asked for a CFO certificate, let alone a "tourist version."

 

When you receive this tourist version of CFO certificate, please share a copy (with personal information redacted) so that we can see what it is and how it compares to the existing CFO certificates.

 

Meantime, please read some of the comments in this existing thread and how some recent tourists from the Philippines were asked for CFOs by PH immigration officers, but successfully departed the Philippines without CFO certificates, because they knew the policy, they stood their ground and told the PH immigration officers that CFOs were NOT needed for tourism.

 

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Wow ok thank you for that!

12 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Again, how would an approved petition be pertinent to traveling to an entirely different country?

 

Like others have said, petitions and visas are not at all the same.

You realize PH has an insanely tough immigration at the airport for tourists to leave the country, right? They offload an average of 50 passengers a day and some for no legit reason. A NOA2 is an official document why would I not bring it??????? A tourist CFO is an official document, why would I not get one??????

7 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Again, how would an approved petition be pertinent to traveling to an entirely different country?

 

Like others have said, petitions and visas are not at all the same.

We need to show IO at the Manila airport proof of a serious relationship. And approved petition shows exactly that 🙂 They need pictures and proof of conversations also EVERYTHING you can bring helps. IO gets suspicious and she will get offloaded. I'm trying to get the CFO tourist certificate as more documentation.

4 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Seems like you're conflating processes from several different countries.

 

Dubai neither knows nor cares about petition approvals for US fiance visas.

No sir, I'm trying to get her through the IO at the manila airport, 🙂

7 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Why would that possibly impact her ability to travel to Dubai?

We filled out a massive application form, paid 535 usd......got approved to the last step. I would think that would significantly lower her as a flight risk, right? It shows I am not some random guy that put a ring on her finger for possibly sex trafficking.....hopefully. An official document is an official document right?

6 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Bingo 

It's strange that they offer a tourist version of it? CFO officer said we couldn't get to Dubai without it or it would be really hard getting through IO.

5 minutes ago, payxibka said:

The Guidance and Counseling Certificate is the GCP Certificate i have mentioned countless times in this thread.

 

Also, if you follow the link, i could not find CFO mentioned anywhere.   

GCP Certificate is for immigrating to your fiance's country?

7 minutes ago, Adventine said:

Dubai is not a country. Dubai is part of the United Arab Emirates. UAE shares a border with Saudi Arabia.

 

 

 

If she is asked about it, she has no choice but to be truthful. Don't even think about lying. It will only come back to haunt you later in this immigration process. You don't need to volunteer any information that is not asked for.

 

 

That's a bit blunter than I would be, but I agree with you. 

 

 

Please ask your source who got offloaded to send photos/links/PH government announcements of this tourist CFO certificate. Please also cross-check your source to see if they had any of the red flags I mentioned in one of my previous posts (no history of travel, no strong ties to PH, etc). 

Partners and spouses of foreign nationals intending to depart to meet and/or marry his/her fiancé without the CFO Guidance and Counseling Certificate;

https://liveloveran.com/filipinos-guide-immigration-how-to-not-get-offloaded/

10 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Good luck to you.   I believe you are chasing your tail on something that doesn't exist or is needed.

It exists for sure and I have heard conflicting stories of people getting offloaded without it and never getting asked for it.

6 minutes ago, jskibo said:

Actually the countries share a common border......... 

Yikes do we just say no? I hate to lie but........

7 minutes ago, payxibka said:

What is a normal cfo?  There are only two certificates, GCP and PDOS

We just said we need the CFO tourist certificate, there are pictures of them online. It's not the traditional sticker.

7 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Would you be so kind as to provide a link to this cfo certificate on the cfo website?

I don't think there is a link, you just check the box when you register for a normal CFO.

5 minutes ago, Adventine said:

 

Can't answer that with any certainty, unfortunately. Sorry.

Her mom is working in Saudi Arabia should she leave that detail out if the ask or will they check on it? I'm afraid that will spook them also. Even though Saudi is far away from Dubai.

5 minutes ago, Adventine said:

Thanks for the clarification.

 

 

 

@Marek50 there's a fair bit of luck involved. Much will depend on how she presents herself and how prepared she is (those things you can both control), and which immigration officer she faces on the day of your travel (out of your control). 

 

Crazy question, our Dubai visa is good for 60 days and we try again in a few weeks to get through immigration if she gets offloaded?

4 minutes ago, payxibka said:

Which seminar did she attend?  GCP or PDOS?

For the tourist certificate, it's just a phone interview and the submitting requested documents. Usually they send the weblink after, but the officer wants to talk to my fiance first.....or tell her she is denied

7 minutes ago, Adventine said:

 

This is possibly also the source of OP's confusion. If he told others that his fiancée had an approved K1 visa (meaning the visa sticker is in the passport) then YES, a CFO certificate is needed. 

 

But since they only have a petition approval, NO CFO certificate is needed.

 

 

You have a chance, but both you and your fiancée need to learn more about the process. Do not mislead people, including CFO staff and immigration officers, by saying you have an approved K1 when in fact, you only have an approved petition.

 

Your fiancée will need to prepare herself to answer confidently and honestly to any questions about her intent to return to the PH after her Dubai trip.

 

 

Thanks, I sent the CFO officer my NOA2 so I'm sure she understood my confusion, and we let her know we were just looking for a tourist certificate 🙂

My fiance is also bringing her 18 month old son which could be good or disastrous depending on who I ask 😞 

8 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

You do not have an approved K-1 visa........

Sorry, an approved  I797 petition waiting for embassy approval, which is our excuse for seeing each other. I would think this would at least mean something to them, right? If I had an approved K1 she would be leaving to America and not touring in Dubai 🙂

8 minutes ago, Adventine said:

 

I am sorry to say this, but it's best that you are aware: even if you only have the best and most honest intentions, and only plan to meet in Dubai for tourism, your fiancée will likely face more scrutiny for the reasons you listed. Not for a missing CFO certificate.

I am planning on that but with an approved K1 and a CFO certificate I would stand a chance?

6 minutes ago, payxibka said:

You have an approved k1?

Yes, I'm at the NVC stage and waiting for the embassy to open, will that help?

6 minutes ago, Adventine said:

 

Don't know the answer, as the CFO people seem happy to take people's money, even though they don't actually need CFO certificates for tourist travel.

 

It may be worth fact checking those people who said they were offloaded: 

 

- Have they ever travelled abroad before?

- Have they ever been issued visas that are relatively hard to get? Ex. US, Schengen, UK, etc.

- Did they bring proof of strong ties to the PH, such as a letter of employment, property?

- Did they bring proof of financial capacity to pay for their trip, such as bank and credit card statements?

- Did they research the CFO requirements and answer the immigration officer confidently, that they do NOT need CFO for tourism? If they actually had previous travels abroad, they should already know this is NOT needed at all.

 

 

 

 

It's her first time traveling abroad, we are trying to meet in Dubai. I have a letter of Intent and a Letter of support for her notarized along with our K1 visa approval and pictures and my bank statements and even tax returns. She is currently not working.

16 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

****Moved from Tourist Visas to the Philippines regional discussion area*****

This is about a tourist visa leaving the Philippines? Is the right topic area? We have a trip planned to Dubai from the Philippines.