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Update on Oct 5 we sent the same documents again asking if they have lost our Sept 21th email.

We haven't gotten any response. We sent another email on Oct 19 asking about our case status and eventually on Oct 26 we got the first meaningful reply from consulate saying that they have the documents and will ask us to send more if any other document needed. On Oct 27 we got the case into AP then issued. On Oct 29 we got the passport.

Update: on Oct 5, after 27 days, they replied to our attorney's initial inquiry. Their reply was that they won't talk to him unless he presents a signed g-28. 

Also they said they look forward to hear back from my wife (though they used Ms. instead of Mrs.).

12 hours ago, SusieQQQ said:

You seem to keep ignoring the fact that the acceptable proof of various things is detailed in the i864 instructions and want to wait for the consulate to detail stuff, yet at the same time you acknowledge you have not followed the instructions. The “people on this board who dwell on the house” have been trying to help you but it’s clearly not appreciated,  not sure what else we can do if you insist on waiting for the consulate to give you detail that by your own account is not forthcoming, almost certainly because the proof they require is already detailed in the instructions…  anyway good luck with your case.

TBH, I didn't fill the I-864 or submitted any evidence. It was done by my lawyer, I just proof read it. Although one would think that an immigration attorney would know these things better, I heard from you, and maybe some others, a different point of view and I really appreciate it.

As far as "what else goes", it would be great to hear a personal experience from a board member who actually got himself/herself a 221g notice which asked "proof of assets"

Again thanks for the all contributions!

22 hours ago, Paul & Mary said:

This isn't a professional appraisal. Tax authority appraisals rarely take into consideration the market value at any point in time.  You need to have a licensed appraisal (just like what you would have if financing a house) show the mortgage statement then that is your asset value.  I'm guessing the consulate didn't understand your other 1.5m is "assets" otherwise they wouldn't be dwelling on the house.

Thanks, but to clarify again, the consulate didn't specify which evidence for asset was insufficient or confusing. It is people in this board who dwell on the house :). This would have been so less stressful for us if the consulate said specifically which asset groups evidence they found lacking and for what reason. But instead they just put on the 221g "proof of assets" and they have ignored our inquires 😕

18 hours ago, TWISTIE said:

Is this home in US or outside the US?

The house is in US. Just like my bank accounts...

8 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Did your updated documents include an appraisal by a licensed appraiser for the home value, as well as evidence of all the mortgage documents outstanding?

I didn't go into details but my county appraises home values professionally and collects property taxes based on this. We included this document originally and later updated it. Also I have updated mortgage statement, which shows the latest account balance.

thanks,

Update: Our attorney sent an e-mail to the consulate on Sept 8th detailing how the existing evidence in CEAC shows that I have substantially more assets than what is set as requirement, and asked what extra evidence documents they need. To this day, we still don't have any reply from the consulate.

On Sept 21, we sent an e-mail to the CO provided address and submitted updated versions of the documents, including some more evidence like: Deed of Trust for the home, account balance from 2 extra conventional US banks (originally didn't include them thinking that it was not necessary) + all other evidences already submitted to CEAC updated with the recent versions.

Our case still shows as "Refused" in CEAC site, and the last update date is Sept 14... This is very frustrating. 

Just curious how did you submit the document? Did you use a digital copy and e-mail it as described in https://ustraveldocs.com/de/de-iv-documentsubmissioninfo.asp to FrankfurtVisaInquiries@state.gov?

We have sent them e-mails and so far never got any replies. First e-mail was sent on Sept 6th 2021 still today no reply. It is ironic that the e-mail address is FrankfurtVisaInquiries and they fail to respond to inquires :(.

1 hour ago, SusieQQQ said:

Again. Does the proof you showed dovetail with what is listed as required in the i864 instructions?  The officer does not need to “qualify” what they require unless it is different from what is listed in the instructions. 
 

 

I think they dovetail. But in retrospect, maybe we were a bit naive about what counts as a proof around the home value. Do you know what the i864 instructions are around investment accounts and stocks?

Also thank you for taking your time and answering!

4 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

They can use it if they deem its important / approving a visa is at the discretion of the CO

but they told her to submit "more proof of assets"  so they have not denied a visa

and the CEAC will  say "Refused "   -don't let that through u off -  it is the term they use now when extra documents or time is needed for security reasons

just send the Embassy the documents asked 

when sending to embassy,  label them in  upper right hand corner with the case #,  both names and both DOB's  on  every single page

important as the embassy deals with thousands of paperwork and a normal property appraisal in US is multiple pages  / they will require all

Documents do get misplaced or just plain lost in a pile so label them

The trouble is they didn't ask for any documents. The officer only said he wants to see proof of assets, without qualifying what he doesn't count as proof or why. Also he asked them to be e-mailed to visa inquiries e-mail address...

Also I originally made a typo "The house alone is ...". In the investment accounts I have total another ~1.5M (mostly stocks).

4 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

So it was refused, not denied. I’m sure he has full access to them. But it’s probably been several months since you submitted these to NVC and they probably want to see recent dates on financial docs so they can make sure your financial situation didn’t change and you can still sponsor your spouse. Just provide what they need and provide updated dates on the documents. 

This makes more sense. It didn't occur to me that this could be the case. But it is still very confusing that the officer didn't explicitly say: "Can you please send up to date version of these documents" etc. And just said: "I don't see the proof" :/.

thanks!!!

2 minutes ago, powerpuff said:

~Moved from K1 Forum to IR1/CR1 Case Filing and Progress Reports - OP’s timeline indicated they filed for spousal visa~
 

Your profile says you applied for K-1 but your timeline says you’re going through the spousal visa. Please change the info on your profile so people won’t be confused and can give you better advice. 
 

did the CO give your wife a slip that says to submit missing documents? 

Yes the slip says:

I-864 Proof of Assets.

But the thing is I already have them in the ceac.state.gov. Can it be that the officer didn't have access to them somehow or could not open them on his computer or something?

Just now, Crazy Cat said:

Was the application refused or denied?  There is a big difference.  The Consulate Officer is the sole approval authority for visas. 

Ah. It was refused with a note saying that they require additional information.

12 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

NVC simply accepts required documents, they do not approve anything.  That is the job of the consular officer.

 

Are your assets borderline, in terms of having access to cash that could support an immigrant?

Nope, the house, county assessed value - mortgage is ~500K USD.

Today my wife's visa application got denied in Frankfurt USA consulate. I am a naturalized US citizen, living in Germany, and I opted to use my assets for I-864 as they are sufficiently enough.

My wife tells that the interviewer said to her: "I need to see proof of assets" and asked her to send an e-mail with "documents" to embassy e-mail, denying the application.

This is very odd because we already submitted to the ceac.state.gov our proof of assets listing my investment bank account balance, home ownership info.

Anyone else had a similar case? Can it be the officer didn't know how to interpret the existing documents or didn't some how have access to the documents?

thanks,

So the presidential proclamation from April 22 didn't have any effect on the NVC?

When I checked the NVC site it was saying that they are prioritizing visa applications which are excluded in https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspending-entry-immigrants-present-risk-u-s-labor-market-economic-recovery-following-covid-19-outbreak/. But while the exclusions listed in the link clearly says "spouse", thus allowing CR-1 (2, 3 etc.) visa processing, it doesn't mention K1, or fiance... Any thoughts?

Context is: I didn't start a K1 application yet and I can technically file both K1 or CR-1 (which would require eloping somewhere in EU : ), if K1 will get stuck in NVC and won't be processed CR-1 might be faster.

Hey John, I hope you got your n-565 in time and got everything sorted out. I would like to ask a question though. Did your Certificate Number (the red number in right up corner) change?

thanks,

Hi I am a US citizen who got naturalized in 2015. I am currently living in Germany with my fiance. My fiance is an Ukraine citizen. 

We planning to apply for the K1 visa and return together to USA. 

Although this forum and other resources make application without a lawyer possible (thanks!), I would like to hire a lawyer to make sure that the process is easier.

The question I have is: Does it matter where this lawyer is? E.g would it be better to find a lawyer in USA or in Germany (that is a US lawyer who is located in Germany)? If USA, does it matter which state the lawyer is?

thanks a lot!

Edit: Specialization of the lawyer located in Germany.