Ning25

"Ning" it's not that easy, and as an American I have this funny sense of justice and fairness bred into me where I think it's essential that people be treated fairly and equally.

I don't think its harsh.

Its is a valid question and one that is asked many times. The reality is that there isn't anything people can do.

The response from one that you contact all these reps ect is flawed when reality is applied. You can and should contact ONE. Most of you have NEVER ever contacted any of these political operatives in your life and cant even name them without help. Still ok and should be done. Do it the right way. Do what my husband did by using their web site to inform yourself. Ask them to call you. Ask them what their voting record on immigration is. Ask them to explain their ideas for immigration reform. Ask them to contact USCIS on your behalf. Tell them about your inability to accept the situation. Demand they change it for you. Then post the results of that. That will seem harsh when reality indicates they cant do anything and wont call you at all. You will deal with some office staff trained to placate you.

Your senses are working just fine but will do you no good on this subject of immigration. The same immigration that hasn't been reformed for 60 years by these politicians or any that proceeded them. Tell them about your essential ideals. Make them explain. Then post here the results.

I am also an American now. Just as American as you. The difference is I wasnt born to it as you were. I waited and worked for it. I waited 408 days for my visa. I spent 4 years to become a citizen. During that time I worked to be ready for my test. That's reality. I my opinion what happened in my 408 days wasn't fair but it was worth every day.

You said it was unacceptable. My question remains. What are you going to because of that? If its unacceptable what exactly will you do. I learned to accept my situation I can tell you that because there was no choice that made sense.

Your choice is to face the reality or move to the UK until the case is closer to adjudication. Or I suppose you could rely on the advise that indicates you should look for cotton candy clouds and soft music to sooth your emotions.

Is there anything to be done about how unfair the difference between California and Texas processing times are? Maybe if enough people complain they'll transfer more cases? The difference is completely unacceptable.

All you can do is wait. People can complain but its isn't going to change the US govts ability to process cases.

If it is unacceptable what will you do? If you can accept the facts as they really are you may want to move to the other country at least for now. You could live there until the wait time is at a more acceptable level to you.

I don't think it matters whether your son knows his father or not. I do believe however that you will have to get permission for the biological father to take your child out of the country. Is his name on the birth certificate? Even if it is not you will have to prove that you have permission to take the child out of country.

Good luck abd God Bless

Other than the bio father who would grant this permission?

The biological father is nowhere to be found. The son do not even knows him as his father. He knows me.

The fact the bio father exists and is on the B C requires you do as I suggested as well as one of the things indicated by Baron. Because it seems the father isn't around you should begin learning what its takes to get the court order. You can be sure the embassy will not grant a visa without one or the other.

We have been scheduled for an interview in December and was wondering what do we need to do to start the process to bring her son? How long does the process take?

Educate yourself about what it takes to get the permission from the bio father while finding out the exact requirements of the embassy in this regard.

Sorry If this is post on the wrong section, I really dont know where this will go.

I met boyfriend online on skype, and we were on long distance relationship for 6 months skyping then came to the US on new years of 2012 under a student visa (F1). He studed in here in the US until Apirl and back to his country. He then came back to visit me on the following new years eve. On may of 2014 I went to his country, down in brazil for the summer and now he's planning to back here in America and we are thinking of the possiblity of getting married and living in the US. What would be better?

Trying to take the K1 visa or him comming here with a tourist visa that he already has and getting married, and apply for a change of status in the US.

What would be best if my boyfriend has already a toursit visa and came here a few times, I also went to his country down in Brazil once recently 2 months would it be worthy to get married in a tourist visa or should it be better for him to apply k1 visa in his country?

P.S I am currently of course from the US He's from Brazil

Your second paragraph indicates the intention of committing fraud when you refer to the use of the tourist visa as a means to immigrate. If you were to do this in this manner and were found guilty of visa fraud he could suffer a lifetime ban. The most important aspect of this is what his intention was when he crossed the U S border.

What would be best is a clear understanding of the laws so you can determine the best course of action. You can certainly marry while he is in the USA on a B 2. After understanding intent he can decide what his was therefore what should be done.

He doesn't apply for a K 1 anywhere; you do by petitioning for him to be approved for a K 1. You can not do that if you are married. If you are married you will petition for a C R 1 which results in a green card upon entry.

What I am talking about is how two cases yet similar result in different responses from the VJ community. Basically you are saying that one way to get a green card is to come to the US with the intent of leaving, and then suddenly, because the intent initially was to return, decide to "change" one's mind, marry and file for AOS? No wonder there is so much scrutiny regarding B1/B2 visas. What you are referring to is a loophole which has been abused. The mentality to use visitor's visas to AOS because they "met" someone on vacation or because they had an epiphany and would rather stay is bogus. It is cutting in line so to speak. You can do it, yet it doesn't mean it is right. Why even bother with a K1 or K3 if you can just "change" your mind upon entry? I say the OP should encourage her SO to go on vacation with a return ticket, and then "reverse" course and file for AOS based on your logic.

I know what you are talking about. What you have described in your " basically " rant is exactly correct. You are disturbed that you or someone like you isn't appointed the thought police for America.

Is there a " loophole " . Yes. You simply just stumbled across something that has existed for a long time. Unfortunately you are not in charge of right and wrong other than your own choices.

I can do it? No but many others can and will. You see I am proud to be an American citizen.

Why bother? Because some people will want to do what is right even though they wont ask you for permission. Another reason is the initial difficulty of being granted a tourist visa.

Please contact the O P by P M to explain exactly what you expect of them. You may find that one person in a million that will do what you think of as right and disregard the actual use of the existing laws.

My logic? No. Its the U S government that determines the laws by using the system we enjoy to create those very laws; not me. It is certainly true that the O P could use those very laws and a total understanding of the application and definition of " intent " to gain a green card.

Where is boiler and some other people saying: "well, life happens, just AOS"? How can one case be considered fraud, and the other okay just because the beneficiary was pregnant? (The Chile Example). I call double standard by some posters here. If the OP had said, "I hadn't thougt about getting married until one day it occurred to her she would have gained sympathy from the faction on VJ that encourages adjusting status with a tourist visa.

I don't know who you are talking about and it probably doesn't matter. What does matter is the law. The law that is approved by the govt. That law says if a person enters the USA on a tourist visa with the intent of marrying and then filing an AOS has committed fraud. That same law allows for those that enter, marry with the intent of leaving and change their mind and decide to remain can file the AOS to do so.

Again I don't know who the mystery faction is but I do know that V J has a forum that helps people learn how to legally follow the law to file the AOS.

The U S govt is responsible for the adjustment procedure. It seems to me that Boiler and others are just more aware of those laws and are encouraging people to use the in place legal procedure.

K1.

Going into the US on any other visa with the intentions to get married is illegal. You would need to prove no connections before entry and if you tried thatit would be fraud. Safest, fastest and legal option would be stay where he is and go through K1 process.

K1.

Going into the US on any other visa with the intentions to get married is illegal. You would need to prove no connections before entry and if you tried thatit would be fraud. Safest, fastest and legal option would be stay where he is and go through K1 process.

You are incorrect twice.

It is not illegal to enter the USA with the intention of being married. Its is illegal to do so using a tourist visa if the original intent is to remain and file an AOS.

Hello,

Quick question - my fiance and I have received our NOA2 and the visa interview is next Monday (Oct. 20). I believe we've gathered all of the docs required based on the checklists I've found, but one thing I can't find is whether or not my fiance will need a police certificate from USA.

The reason I ask is because she spent exactly a year here on an internship, and the instructions say that if the applicant had ever spent more than a year abroad in any country, they would need a police record. Does this apply for her time in the US too? Anyone have any experience with this? I'd appreciate any insight anyone could offer.

Thanks,

Eoghan

The USA doesn't issue police reports.

Okay, so we're finally about ready for her mother to apply for the visa...and after studying the process and reading the comments I just want to get a final take on a couple of things before we move forward.

1)Is there any point at all to writing a letter for the interview, simply stating we want her mom to come for a visit and to meet the in-laws and then she'll be returning home after a couple weeks? My wife just thinks it would be beneficial to put something in writing so that the embassy interviewer knows that all parties involved are on the same page. Good, bad, or pointless?

2) We're also going back and forth on what her mom can do to "prove" she will return home to colombia after her visit. Her mom is retired so she has no job. She lives with her daughter and son. She's heavily involved with her church and 99% of her family is in colombia. She has a small bank account but nothing substantial. She currently (and for the past 15+ years) has lived in an apartment owned by her sister. So there is no lease or deed to the property or anything. So what can she do to state her case? Photos with family and church? A letter from her sister (technically who i guess her landlord) stating she has lived in the apartment for 15 years and is not moving? We're just not sure of anything in the way of proof....only her trying to assure the interviewer with words.

Thanks again everyone

I agree with keeping your wife happy. Keep in mind the embassy could care less about who is on what page. Its always about returning not about leaving.

You are focusing on the wrong proof. There are churches on every corner filled with people being told to return next week for the rest of the message. Letters from a landlord? I know what you mean but that isn't proof of a return.

Something I have seen make a difference is simply her age. Of course I am guessing some here but older people have an easier time because they don't want to change cultures, friends, languages ect. These things have been presented in the past where a visa was granted.

As you help her, keep in mind these cases are mostly approved or denied before the person ever interviews. This means the " proof " must be submitted along with or as part of the application. Instead of writing invitation letters maybe a good idea to help with what I suggested.

1. I explained that. I can't help your comprehension issues neither will I repeat myself.

2. Ditto with whipped cream on top.

3. Your comment was directed at me. Glad you now changed your stance from "I did not say that" to "I certainly did say that". Don't confuse yourself.

4. YOU instigated with your first comment to me. Stop instigating and provoking.

You have a rude manner about yourself that reflects in your comments.

If I want to encourage the OP because of his concern about the future and possible AP then butt out

if you don't like it and keep scrolling and focus on one of the other questions he raised but hell will freeze over before you think you can

control or bully me with how I answer any post.

You are so wrapped up in staying on focus and what it has to do with relationship but you have no problem to keep on derailing this thread

with nonsense directed towards me.

Since when can I not address ANY issue mentioned by the OP (future of relationship / support / AP that is not in the form of a question,

are you the self proclaimed comment sceener or just on control patrol ?

I suggest if you have anything else to say to me take it to a PM as that would be the correct etiquette or restrain yourself a little better and

LET IT GO.

KMA sweetheart.

1. OP wrote this : i help support her, when she needs it and into the future while we navigate this journey together, and understanding the process helps plan for the future.

2. You should be concerned with TOS yourself.

3. Yes you did say exactly this : You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. Word for word.

No need to backpaddle. My comment was directed to the OP and not you by the way.

I don't have to ask you for permission to comment about a relevant issue as I perceive it and as it may impact his future.

I have not lectured you, however you addressed me first and I responded to you.

I won't even begin to tell you what you are not qualified to say to me.

You are off topic with your continued comments to me and derailing the thread.

There are other aspects that OP addressed and I am free to respond to it wether you like it or not.

I do not wish to engage further with your off beat comments to me.

Focus on responding to the OP, not me please.

# 1 Yes but what does that have to do with his relationship which was never part of his question?

# 2 I am concerned which is why I have to restrain myself about what you say and who you think you are.

# 3 I certainly did say exactly that. That involves many people not you. Word for word.

I didn't say you need to ask my permission nor your ability to perceive things. I don't care what you have to say until you involve me. If you don't care to engage then don't.

Read your last sentence over and over until you understand what the problem is. Maybe this is the problem after all; your ability to stay on topic. Relationships?

Does anybody know what exactly is involved with the back ground check of the beneficiary? Besides police reports and finger prints through the FBI etc, do they go back and check employment and education of the beneficiary? Do they go back and check the addresses for places she has lived? She doesn't have any criminal back ground or even a ticket for anything. (how bad can it get on a moto ? ). We were curious if some dude from the embassy is going to call or visit past employers or landlords?

How do you get relationship fears out of this or any of the other junk you are adding into the situation? Read carefully?

Chip? You better read your own stuff and be glad there are TOS to worry about here rather than your over inflated sense of your self.

I didn't say you were the only one. I said it wasn't about just your experience which has nothing to do with is question.

As you may be able to see his question is about some dude calling or visiting employers or landlords not his relationship.

Now try to concentrate on the actual question rather than attempting to lecture me. Your not qualified to do so.

It is you that is missing the core point of his concern.

Yes, it is about his relationship and the financial hardship it may cause him if he goes into AP due to the financial support for her.

Read carefully. What will or will not come up in "this type of case" is definitely not something you will determine.

I never said I was the only one on a long journey. Loose the chip on your shoulder.

Your defensive tone is not necessary.

is it possible for my wife to visit me here in the USA before her visa is completed? Being apart for this long is not good

Its possible but not likely. I tried 3 times but was denied each time. The embassy said they would never issue a B2 with another petition in progress because my ties would always be to my husband. It actually makes sense to me. It has nothing to do with the stage the petition is at.

Having said that I have seen people be granted such a visa right here on V J. Should she be granted a B 2 she could use it to exit Thailand but keep in mind entry is granted at the POE so she could be denied entry if they decided she wasn't going to return.

not concerned... curious of this process.. i help support her, when she needs it and into the future while we navigate this journey together, and understanding the process helps plan for the future.. Colombia isn't the USA.. here, information is pretty much standardized and readily available, like where to get birth records, background information... etc.. In developing countries, its not quite that easy, like all long form birth certificates are kept with the local notary that has greater authority than US notaries, and that needs to be tracked down, from 25 years ago, if you can even find the notary, (thanks be to God, its listed on the Birth cert. and they still exist).. Rules change depending on the department, (state) in which a person lives, and even from municipality to municipality, for record keeping and a lot of other civil processes. So, what would be quite simple here, in the States, can become quite burdensome and bureaucratic in other countries. A lot of that burden is the US Govt. is quite process oriented and driven by standardized rules (administrative law), that dictate how they operate. Even though consulate staff operate in host countries, its doesn't relieve them of these rules and law, since their authority in which they operate is granted by congress, and regulations that interprets said laws. We have rules of due process, which isn't granted to visa applicants, but they are entitled to have a consulate operate under the authority that was granted to them, not the consulate staff ride roughshod over the whole process, how they want, in a host country. It is doubtful that Bankok's consulate operates much differently than another consulate, except where there was higher risk of violating immigration law, but it is doubtful that they deviate much, through local standard operating procedures. That is why I made the comment who cares if something is listed as a bar or restaurant, when working in either is legal in the USA?. What is more important, would be dates of employment and job description verified through an official call to the business. That is why I asked about a letter from her employer stating dates of employment, and a simple job description, would help, given remoteness, in relation to Bogota? If its a data base check, then why go through the trouble and have an employer write up a letter? However, if its more investigatory, it would seem beneficial. If an agency has a back log of files, anything to move the process along would be helpful. Since a lot of the migration issues, and visitor visa issues came up was after 911, it would be quite logical to consider that is what they would be focused on, but not being through this whole K-1 process before 911 (navigated the CR-1process without problems), I figure the more information the better. When something here can take hours or a couple of days, it can tack on months in developing nations, simply not knowing where to get it. ... out of curiosity, we were interested so we can plan for the long haul through an AP, or if its a quick and dirty data base check for criminal and terrorist ties? Even prostitution is hard to prove, unless its a legal business in the host country and records are kept, but in countries where it is illegal, then it becomes illicit and a negative response on an application would be hard to prove. Silence would become the beneficiary's best friend. However, as the beneficiary, it would be an issue if they listed unemployed for 5 years, because the first thought would be, " how does this person support them self?" It is doubtful that a host country would allow the US government to access its tax records for employment checks, or any other domestic and civil matter, for that matter, if there is no criminal complaint, just to satisfy its application process for visa issuance. That is why countries have Sovereignty laws, where they don't subjugate its citizens to another country's rule of law; that view of thinking left with the waning dominance of a colonization. If the host country has mutual need for information, then it is granted, If it is beneficial to the host country, as is the case of terrorism, they would disclose it right away. if not Then one has to look at treaties, like tax treaties, for specific issues. If there is no specific treaty, then you wait for consulate staff to visit the employer. The employer chooses to disclose or not disclose.

That is the long winded answer, why ask this question.

Then, may i ask, why do we have to go to Primera Notary to get a copy of her long form birth certificate? Its because that is the notary which it was recorded. The Notaries have shelves of books with these records. Mexico is not Colombia, which is not the USA.

This is where the wind began by the O P s admission.

OP, your concerns are very valid. Someone that went through the process without a hitch will tell you that you are over analysing this.

Someone, like myself who had to endure AP for 16 months and then experienced a denial and had to start all over again ( 5 year relationship )

totally understands your concern and worries. Been there, done that, have the T shirt, talking from experience.

We are a genuine cople and truly love each other.

This journey has been an extreme hardship financially and emotionally. My savings are depleted and my health took a turn for the worse.

The US is standard in procedure to an extent, but it really comes down to the CO on that particular day and what his/her "hunches" are about

your relationship. We had all paperwork in order and submitted #12 of evidence attesting to our bona fide relationship and still got denied.

For what reason you may ask ?

I confronted the CO personally and all I got was that she just had a " gut feeling" and that she thought our future marriage would

"not be a lasting one." When asked why and what her factual reasons were based on, she just shrugged her shoulders, there are none.

My point is even if you have this or that notarized and every t crossed and every i dotted, it comes down to what is in the head and "gut feeling"

of your CO and how he/she views your whole relationship. This can be an honest evaluation or it can be based on personal bias and assumptions

and speculations.

Unfortunately we have no recourse and there are no checks and balances, the CO has the discriminatory authority to either make that day a

happy one or a day from hell.

My advice based on hardship experience with AP nonsense is to do what you feel you have to do but also know that overcompensating for

something may be viewed as suspicious by the CO and it may then cause them to start looking deeper.

Too much as well as too little can both be risky. It is up to you to find that balance that you are comfortable with after doing your research

and asking for feed back here. It sounds like wind to some but I understand the storm that was brewing and that we had to walk through all too well.

I wish you the best for your journey !

You aren't the only one that went on a long journey. This isn't about his relationship at all.

The O P hasn't been put in AP of course just fears some lengthy investigation by some unknown entity at the embassy into his fiancées job.

He simply wants to know what he can do to present something to the embassy to offset their efforts into the unknown. Basically he is worried about something that wont even come up in this type of case.

I am not here to argue with anybody, i simply asked a question..that is it.. maybe this isn't the best or welcomed place for advice.. sorry for occupying your time.

thank you

Thanks,i appreciate it

I don't see it as an argument. You have had your question answered several times but want to insert a lot of windy info yourself that has nothing to do with your question simply in an effort to be right. You remind me of why these visas take so long because here we see an example of a U S government professional bureaucrat spending incredible time on something other than what is required.

No need to apologize for how I use my time. I am here to help just as the other members are. Its up to you how you want to perceive that effort.

Good luck in your quest.

Can I bring the child on a tourist Visa and then adjust the status ?

That would be committing fraud.

You seem desperate to have this child. If so please listen to Penguin when it comes to length of time you must be with the child. If you do not do this there will be no reason to be concerned with the immigration aspects.

Remember your age is a factor.

Maybe I am confused. When I fiancee and I discussed this, she went to the civil registry in Colombia, and was told she needed to go to the Notary office where the birth was recorded in order to get a copy of the original. Well, that was no easy task because she didn't have a clear copy of it either, and as such, when I go at Christmas, we will travel to city where she was born, to go to the Notary office where it is kept. On the top of the ragged copy she had, was the name of the Notary that which the BC was registered. I googled it, and as such, it was not a government office, but a long established private notary. On their webpage, it addressed how to obtain copies of the original BC. I know the process how the attorney here told me to document any prepared documents, like then intent to marry, and the notary office, in Colombia, notarized hers. It was not an apostille, it was a private notary. I did the same here, with the translation, and I had mine notarized. The immigration attorney here, is quite familiar with Mexico's rule of law, and that of central and south american countries, and where to obtain documents and document their existence, since latin america is about 99% of their practice. He told me exactly how to deal with this, the purpose of the notary, in the eyes, of USCIS and the NVC. I understand the difference between legal systems. I also understand, after being quite familiar with Colombia, over the last 7 years more, the bureaucratic system in which the government operates. Yes, I do understand how Notaries work. I do understand Apostilles, and I do understand the difference of civil registry and the notaries in Colombia. Here we call it the vital statistics office, and it is decentralized to the state level. Private notaries here don't have an office and don't archive documents.

i wasn't asking about all of this, i simply asked a question if there was a way to document her employment, in a manner in which to avoid undue AP time, if in fact it was an issue for the post interview back ground checks, given the remoteness, in relation to Bogota, in city which she lives? If its data base mining, then it doesn't matter, if its investigatory time, then it seems it would carry some weight. Sorry for taking up so much of your time with this..

regards

I believe a lot of this " wind " is blowing in the wrong direction. Your understanding of notaries and when they are required is flawed. The translations for example do not require a notary. Nothing wrong with paying one but there is no reason to do it.

Your actual question is about this womens job. All she has to do is list that job. The embassy isn't going to be concerned about one lonely hairdresser in some remote village.

You have told us in may forms that Colombia isn't Mexico or the USA ect until you have worn the point out even though every person here didn't need you to explain it. Its just more wind.

Accepting the fact that you are correct about the above what makes you so concerned about preparing for an event in a country you say you understand better than most that wont occur? Do you have any info from any source that causes this concern? Members here have said that we don't see this problem in cases from that country.

the notary, by verifying the signature to an official document, like a colombian cedula card, attests that in fact is the signer on the document. the signer, under perjury, attests, when they sign it, that the information is accurate and correct.. yes, i am sure they would go verify, but at least the verification is to a written document, rather than verbal evidence based on an investigator posing as a fictitious friend..which to me, would be shaky at best, since it could be pleaded that the investigator coerced or manipulated the witness, which for the USA, could be inadmissible. Here, in the states, the investigator has to present credentials showing they in fact who they say they are, under due process statute. A government employee, in a public trust position, would violate that pretty quickly if credentials were not presented to a witness. This would even be required for a foreign national contractor, since they are representing the US Government, when they are investigating. this part i am not worried about, its the long AP lines, if they get to the minutiae of the application it could tie up a petition for months, in a rural area.. I really doubt a 25 year old woman, that hasn't lived outside her city her whole adult life, never married, and no children, no arrest record, would be too suspect in the eyes of anybody.. especially, by the time we have our consular visit, we would have spent 30 days in six months together, with more than half of it, with her family and friends, over Christmas and the new year, in her family's house..

So knowing all of this why are you concerned? The case seems simple to me.

The In Colombia's case, the Notary attests that the person signing the document is the person he factually says are and records the document. The person, under perjury, attests, at the time of signing, that the content of the letter is factual and accurate. That is the purpose of Notarizing it. No, it is not high level evidence, but for me, when I look at documents, a notarized document gives me a level of comfort, though not overwhelming comfort.

Interesting. I wonder how the notary would know what is factual and accurate? They must do the background check about all the info in a document which in Colombia must take some additional time. In Thailand this would take many months.

interesting, now how would they know if its a restaurant or bar? Or really care?.. Seems like the job discription of pole dancing rather than cleaning, would be more of a concern? many restaurants and bars are combined and classed as either, and why months of research? and in some developing country, the US Government would spend resources to verify if a person is in fact a yoga instructor or parse out if a restaurant is actually a bar or visa versus? In a lot of developing countries, jobs are fluid, as are businesses. A lot of activities are legal in countries, or the host country turns a blind eye toward it, but illegal here. that seems more of an issue. My ex-wife, who was Colombian, worked for her plastic surgeon brother, free lance respiratory therapist, and sold avon products, just to make close to the country's minimum wage..when we went through the CR-1 process, nobody was contacted... What my curiosity was about, to what extent does the embassy go, when they don't have access to the host county's records to verify information in the beneficiary's country? My fiancee is in a small town on the pacific coast of Colombia, 11- 15 hour bus ride from Bogota.She has lived at various places every year for five years, and is a hair dresser shop assistant. It just seems like a lot of resources and work go over each item. i work for the US government in a sensitive classed job as a federal agent, and we get more concerned about material misstatements, like not disclosing an arrest, when in fact there was one, or if she was arrested for prostitution, when she claimed she was not? not if a restaurant is actually a bar or minutiae if a person is in fact a yoga instructor? I am going to go down to Colombia over Christmas and may have her get a letter from her employer, notarized, about her job, and her current landlord that she lives where she lives, notarized, and give to the embassy during her interview.. seems like the best way to avoid AP. We had a clerical error on job and education dates, (off by 6 months), for employment. if in fact they choose to travel to enquire about her job, this may simplify things.

They know by the name of the place many times. They care because they wont grant visas to hookers. They checked in that case simply because of some info she gave trying to be honest. Many months because they don't send some guy like you out of his government office to do the work. In this case its Thailand where things take a long time or seem to for an American.

I know of cases where the embassy has spent resources to check into the background info given about a biological father for example. In one case they spent about 5 months on this and in the end would not issue the visas for the children.

The embassy at times hires people or companies to do this work. The results are questionable to me but they don't seem to have much choice if they want further info.

If the embassy in Bogota suspects your fiancée or working with the FARC or drug dealers they will investigate. If she is simply a hairdresser there is little to worry about. My husband has lived in Colombia and says they don't have a sex industry there that brings in over 600 million dollars per year as in Thailand. Of course the drug business is far larger but its mostly export not employing the volume of people we have.

Keep in mind that notaries simply verify signatures and have nothing to do with the content of documents which is why most embassies don't require the use of them. Of course you can spend resources on that just as you suspect the embassy would not to convince them the docs are real.

But before the AP they never ever do so, to my belief.

You will have to believe what you want based on what you know.

In two cases I helped with the beneficiary was investigated due to something that was stated in their submission to the embassy. One for example simply said she was employed in a restaurant where there was bar. She was employed to clean and nothing more. It took 90 additional days for the investigation by the embassy that revealed what she had indicated was true.

In another the person said she was a yoga instructor. She was investigated for months.

What if the beneficiary has lived in US? Like me who lived 8 years?

The US doesn't produce police reports on people. You could be subject to an FBI check I suppose if USCIS feels there is reason to do so.

How exactly does it go? Do they go into the beneficiary's country police database and check for those fingerprints?

In my opinion no security checks on the beneficiary are possible, and they never happen.

In Thailand for example in some cases the embassy certainly does check into the persons background. There have been cases right here on V J where the person was put into A P while they sent people to locations where the person worked to check the info.

Does anybody know what exactly is involved with the back ground check of the beneficiary? Besides police reports and finger prints through the FBI etc, do they go back and check employment and education of the beneficiary? Do they go back and check the addresses for places she has lived? She doesn't have any criminal back ground or even a ticket for anything. (how bad can it get on a moto ? ). We were curious if some dude from the embassy is going to call or visit past employers or landlords?

The FBI? They don't keep records on Colombian citizens unless they are connected to drug deals or the Farc.

Does some " dude " from the embassy travel around checking? No. The police report is done thru the police headquarters. The other checks are expanded if there is reason to think the person was involved in things such as prostitution ect.