m&n

That's awesome...........many congratulations!!

That is ridiculous......if they can't escalate your call to someone in charge who might actually help........what call will they escalate???

I too wish there was something I could do, I really hope you get an approval soon.

Congratulations nouna!!

Yay.......congratulations!!!

Congratulations on getting an interview date thesparrow!!

Best of luck.

Yay.......that's progress!!

These items will need to be sent to the NVC with your DS230 forms.

Hello VJers,

Today I called NVC and through the automated system...the message changed and states that they are awaiting "the biographical form to be sent by the petitioner". I know this may mean they have generated the DS-230...but my question is if this is the case, what exactly should I be sending in? Do I need to get the police certificate, military certificate, etc ready from my husband NOW or just send in the passport copy??? (Are these items required to be sent now...or just for him to have during the interview)?? Any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated...and my husband is going through the Egyptian consulate. Thank you and have a wonderful day!

Dalia

I do too....................I can not even imagine what you must be going through.................I wish they'd just approve the petition already................enough is enough.

Well I got the same answer when I contacted my senetor and congressmen in regards to our application. We have been waiting for the NOA2 from USCIS for way over a year. Still I got the same response like most of us on further review get. Basically the response said that it was of of their hands, and that there is nothing they can do to help us out till the checks are complete. ITS A NIGHTMARE for us and this is just at USCIS!

Honestly you are the strongest woman I know. I could not wait that long just for the NOA2. I totally admire you for your strength. I really wish there were some way you could move to the UK while this is going on but I know you have responsibilities here.

I don't follow corrupted hadith either......hey, we have something in common! And you are right, Prophet Mohammed didn't speak on impulse or from a selfish desire.

The punishment is flogging for fornication, not for adultery. The verses talk about the punishment for zina......but in Arabic the meaning of the word includes both fornication & adultery. We know the difference of the punishments between the fornicator and the adulterer only from Quranic interpretations.....some call that hadith.......if others don't like that term, fine, they can call it what they like but that is the only way the Islamic Law has been able to determine the difference between punishment for having intercourse outside of marriage for one that is married and one that is not. There is no where under Islamic Law that states that the punishment for fornication & adultery is equal.........whether or not it is barbaric is another issue. If we didn't follow interpretation of the Quran from what some like to call hadith, would we just say that someone who committed adultery should just be let free with no punishment at all since the verse didn't make that specification.........would that make sense........would that be fair?

Perhaps there is a small sect of muslims that believe that the punishment for fornication & adultery is the same........this I was not aware of.........we learn new things all the time.......

at any rate I think we can agree on something........we can agree to disagree

just as a quickly.. as slightly lazy to fully get going with a debate

http://www.jucanada.org/halalguidelines.htm

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/mechanical_slaughter.html

"Halal" is an Arabic word that means ‘lawful’. In Islam certain things are lawful and other things are not. The latter are called ‘haram’ and include things such as drinking alcohol, sex outside marriage and eating animals that are not herbivores (such as pigs).

When talking about halal meat we are talking about meat which is lawful for a Muslim to eat, i.e. the animal has been treated and slaughtered in a manner that has been deemed appropriate by God.

Halal not only refers to the actual slaughter of the animal but is also tied in to the welfare of the animal as well as the state of mind, body and soul of the person taking that animal’s life.

So what makes meat halal?

The principles of halal can be split into 3 areas;

The actual slaughter

The welfare of the animal

The state of the slaughterer.

The Slaughter

The following procedures constitute the ideal procedure for slaughtering an animal…

The animal is given a drink of water and is to be placed lying down facing Mecca

The animal must be calmed

The animal is not allowed to see other animals going to slaughter or being slaughtered and ideally not let to smell other animals’ blood

The animal can at no time see the knife

The knife must be razor sharp

A prayer must be read and the intention to take the animal’s life for the correct reasons must be made

The neck must be slit in one clean pull of the knife cutting through the skin and oesophagus right to the back of the neck

The animal must be held securely until all life has left it

These methods are used as they are believed to be the kindest and most effective way of slaughtering.

Stunning is not the considered as an ideal method of slaughtering but some Islamic scholars have permitted it. Therefore much of the halal meat in the UK is stunned and bled just like any other meat. The only difference is that halal meat would be cut by a Muslim.

The Welfare

The Quran, along with the Torah and Bible, is one of the original animal rights texts. In addition, many of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad demand that Muslims treat animals mercifully and with kindness. In one he says, "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Technically speaking, Islam opposes battery and intense farming as they are seen as an exploitation of animals. Therefore from birth to death an animal should be reared and cared for in a natural and stress-free environment.

The State of the Slaughterer

The act of taking an animal’s life is called a "sacrifice". This points to the fact that within Islam an an

Hi,

Thanks for the response.

Ok the issue really is about hadith or not. Personaly I dont follow the hadith as it is man made and is not God's system. the barbaric punishments i.e the stoning of adulterers, cutting limbs off killing apostates etc and the non equality of women etc are all in the hadith not the Quran. Hence I dont believe in the hadith. So my point is to re-examine the Quran without the corrupted hadiths, if you do that than you will never find that slaughtering the animal in the way prescribed by hadith. You also made an argument about we should follow the SUNNAH from hadith because it is sayings and actions of the prophet. I have already debunked this and the Quran clearly states there is only ONE sunnah and that is Gods. Please read my previous post "hadith is not Islam" people have tried to argue that we must folow the hadiths and I have responded. But... if you insist on following corrupted man made hadiths as I stated in the post this is not for you.

It is basicaly for "free thinkers" who are sick of old men trying to tell us what to do by following corrupted hadiths. It is what I believe as TRUE Islam. In my opinion Islam has been in the dark for some 1200 years, 200 years after the passing of the prophet people started making hadiths and in my opinion put Islam in the dark. Muhammed had absolutely no authority to say anything other than whats in the Quran and was not even allowed to EXPLAIN the Quran. This is between one soul and God.

The hadiths have also split muslims, its because of the hadiths you have sunni, shia, wahabi etc without hadiths and only Quran the muslims would be one and united. The following is a post I posted before for someone arguing we should follow hadith http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...82989&st=90 click the link and go to post number 92

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's Hubby)

Everyone is entiltled to their own opinion. It is best, however, that one formulate their opinion based on facts from reliable sources. The internet is full of websites containing both reliable & unrelieable information. We should be very careful in our quest for religious understanding.

"Barbaric punishments" are mentioned in the Quran. For example, the stoning of adulterers is mentioned in detail in Sura AlNur, Sura # 24 in I believe

verses 4 & 5.

If one regularly reads the Quran, one will know that there are many things that need detailed explanations and that is what the SOUND hadiths are for......to explain the Quran.

Indeed we should not follow corrupted hadiths and it is true that there is one sunna and that is God's, but God appointed the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to teach the people this sunnah and when people try to follow the example that the Prophet set, they are trying to follow the sunna, the UNcorrupted hadiths are just explanations of how the Prophet dealt in all aspects of life......they were documented to give people an example to follow.....they were not meant to cause discord amongst the people.

The Muslims became divided long before the hadiths were even compiled into volumes of books. Division occurred due to human greed for power and authority as soon as the Prophet (pbuh) had passed away.

It is honestly not my intent to cause any problems or offend anyone with my post.............only to state my opinion.

Hi,

thanks for the response. But lets try and at least be accurate and back our words up.

Ok first of all. There is NO stoning in Quran I really dont know what Quran you have been reading surah 24 or not.

Secondly I have already explained that there is no Muhammeds Sunnah, the QURAN says it itself!.. not my words.

Third devision by muslims is a hadith based history, which I dont follow so it is of no revelence and also EVEN if they did they would not have different names, show me sunni, shiah, wahibi in the Quran, who made these names???.. the Quran states your either a muslim and or a mumin, the difference being this ‘Muslims’ (those who simply have submitted to God) and ‘Mumins’ (those who have advanced and strive with their wealth and lives in the sake of God). So shiah, sunni please show me.

Again as the previously read this post and than tell me about which sunnah you follow. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...82989&st=90[/url] click the link and go to post number 92

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's hubby)

Exactly. Let's try and be accurate and clear up any misunderstandings.

Surah 24 (Al Nur) Verse 2 through 5 talk about the flogging of those guilty of "zina" which in Arabic means intercourse between a man & a woman not married to each other.

According to interpretation, zina applies both to adultery (which implies that one or both of the parties are married to a person or persons other than the ones concerned) and to fornication (which implies that both parties are unmarried). The "barbaric" flogging 100 times is the punishment for zina. The prophet pbuh explained that temptation while one is married should be less and thus, through his teachings and interpretations of these verses we know that punishment for zina for one that is married is stoning to death. If we didn't follow hadith or take them into consideration, would we just say that someone who committed adultery should just be let free with no punishment at all.........would that make sense........would that be fair?

Hi,

First of all you keep going back to the hadith. I have told you that I dont follow the corrupted hadith. I have already explained that Muhammed has no authority to say anything other than the Quran.

Yes the punishment is flogging for adultry. IT IS NOT STONING TO DEATH!!!

You added that Muhammed said to stone them to DEATH... please stoning someone to death is a barbaric ritiual and does not belong in Islam. Muhammed didnt say it, it is corruption of the hadith, thats why I gave you the link in which I proved hadith is not to be followed because Muhammed has no authority to say anything other than the Quran, I gave you the link earlier proving that.

So please dont quote hadith to me, hadith is a corrupted and man made and has no place in Islam.

If you want to follow the garbage that we should stone people to death, thats your business but dont state its from the QUran because I can tell you categorically it is NOT in the Quran.

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's Hubby)

thanks

I was wondering......what is goyim?

And this was communicated to Peter in a dream when he was wondering (as were a lot of other early Christians) whether new converts had to become Jews first in order to be Christians. The answer was 'call nothing that God has made unclean', or 'once again, Peter, you may be the rock but goodness you're clueless at times.'

Exactly. It was also a direct hit to the concept of Rabbinical kosher-ism.. perfect example being it says (Ex 23:19) to not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Rabbinical kosher laws then go on to seperate all dairy from meats, including to the point of using seperate utensils and plates and sinks in the extreme. Conservative or Torah kosher people will take that to be exactly what it says, and just stay away from that action based on the idea that it is reprehensible to extinguish an animal line for one, and rather insentitive on the otherhand and finally just forbidden simply as written. Anyway, this was extended to the point of it being unclean to even sit with goyim in their houses and associate with them.. which of course would make it difficult to ever talk to them about the gospel and also presented an issue of should they, as peter felt, become Jews prior to or as part of their conversion.

When was this? Not now... Orthodox jews - even chassidic jews will sit in a non jews house and associate with them....??

goyim is hebrew for gentile. the suffix? "im" on the end of a word in hebrew makes it plural and the word goy means "nation" so it technically means people from other nations. when its used in israel it is harmless but i feel like when its used in america its kinda derogatory..... technically its not a derogatory term but it gives a bad vibe to me.

I was wondering......what is goyim?

And this was communicated to Peter in a dream when he was wondering (as were a lot of other early Christians) whether new converts had to become Jews first in order to be Christians. The answer was 'call nothing that God has made unclean', or 'once again, Peter, you may be the rock but goodness you're clueless at times.'

Exactly. It was also a direct hit to the concept of Rabbinical kosher-ism.. perfect example being it says (Ex 23:19) to not boil a kid in its mother's milk. Rabbinical kosher laws then go on to seperate all dairy from meats, including to the point of using seperate utensils and plates and sinks in the extreme. Conservative or Torah kosher people will take that to be exactly what it says, and just stay away from that action based on the idea that it is reprehensible to extinguish an animal line for one, and rather insentitive on the otherhand and finally just forbidden simply as written. Anyway, this was extended to the point of it being unclean to even sit with goyim in their houses and associate with them.. which of course would make it difficult to ever talk to them about the gospel and also presented an issue of should they, as peter felt, become Jews prior to or as part of their conversion.

When was this? Not now... Orthodox jews - even chassidic jews will sit in a non jews house and associate with them....??

just as a quickly.. as slightly lazy to fully get going with a debate

http://www.jucanada.org/halalguidelines.htm

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/mechanical_slaughter.html

"Halal" is an Arabic word that means ‘lawful’. In Islam certain things are lawful and other things are not. The latter are called ‘haram’ and include things such as drinking alcohol, sex outside marriage and eating animals that are not herbivores (such as pigs).

When talking about halal meat we are talking about meat which is lawful for a Muslim to eat, i.e. the animal has been treated and slaughtered in a manner that has been deemed appropriate by God.

Halal not only refers to the actual slaughter of the animal but is also tied in to the welfare of the animal as well as the state of mind, body and soul of the person taking that animal’s life.

So what makes meat halal?

The principles of halal can be split into 3 areas;

The actual slaughter

The welfare of the animal

The state of the slaughterer.

The Slaughter

The following procedures constitute the ideal procedure for slaughtering an animal…

The animal is given a drink of water and is to be placed lying down facing Mecca

The animal must be calmed

The animal is not allowed to see other animals going to slaughter or being slaughtered and ideally not let to smell other animals’ blood

The animal can at no time see the knife

The knife must be razor sharp

A prayer must be read and the intention to take the animal’s life for the correct reasons must be made

The neck must be slit in one clean pull of the knife cutting through the skin and oesophagus right to the back of the neck

The animal must be held securely until all life has left it

These methods are used as they are believed to be the kindest and most effective way of slaughtering.

Stunning is not the considered as an ideal method of slaughtering but some Islamic scholars have permitted it. Therefore much of the halal meat in the UK is stunned and bled just like any other meat. The only difference is that halal meat would be cut by a Muslim.

The Welfare

The Quran, along with the Torah and Bible, is one of the original animal rights texts. In addition, many of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad demand that Muslims treat animals mercifully and with kindness. In one he says, "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Technically speaking, Islam opposes battery and intense farming as they are seen as an exploitation of animals. Therefore from birth to death an animal should be reared and cared for in a natural and stress-free environment.

The State of the Slaughterer

The act of taking an animal’s life is called a "sacrifice". This points to the fact that within Islam an an

Hi,

Thanks for the response.

Ok the issue really is about hadith or not. Personaly I dont follow the hadith as it is man made and is not God's system. the barbaric punishments i.e the stoning of adulterers, cutting limbs off killing apostates etc and the non equality of women etc are all in the hadith not the Quran. Hence I dont believe in the hadith. So my point is to re-examine the Quran without the corrupted hadiths, if you do that than you will never find that slaughtering the animal in the way prescribed by hadith. You also made an argument about we should follow the SUNNAH from hadith because it is sayings and actions of the prophet. I have already debunked this and the Quran clearly states there is only ONE sunnah and that is Gods. Please read my previous post "hadith is not Islam" people have tried to argue that we must folow the hadiths and I have responded. But... if you insist on following corrupted man made hadiths as I stated in the post this is not for you.

It is basicaly for "free thinkers" who are sick of old men trying to tell us what to do by following corrupted hadiths. It is what I believe as TRUE Islam. In my opinion Islam has been in the dark for some 1200 years, 200 years after the passing of the prophet people started making hadiths and in my opinion put Islam in the dark. Muhammed had absolutely no authority to say anything other than whats in the Quran and was not even allowed to EXPLAIN the Quran. This is between one soul and God.

The hadiths have also split muslims, its because of the hadiths you have sunni, shia, wahabi etc without hadiths and only Quran the muslims would be one and united. The following is a post I posted before for someone arguing we should follow hadith http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...82989&st=90 click the link and go to post number 92

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's Hubby)

Everyone is entiltled to their own opinion. It is best, however, that one formulate their opinion based on facts from reliable sources. The internet is full of websites containing both reliable & unrelieable information. We should be very careful in our quest for religious understanding.

"Barbaric punishments" are mentioned in the Quran. For example, the stoning of adulterers is mentioned in detail in Sura AlNur, Sura # 24 in I believe

verses 4 & 5.

If one regularly reads the Quran, one will know that there are many things that need detailed explanations and that is what the SOUND hadiths are for......to explain the Quran.

Indeed we should not follow corrupted hadiths and it is true that there is one sunna and that is God's, but God appointed the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to teach the people this sunnah and when people try to follow the example that the Prophet set, they are trying to follow the sunna, the UNcorrupted hadiths are just explanations of how the Prophet dealt in all aspects of life......they were documented to give people an example to follow.....they were not meant to cause discord amongst the people.

The Muslims became divided long before the hadiths were even compiled into volumes of books. Division occurred due to human greed for power and authority as soon as the Prophet (pbuh) had passed away.

It is honestly not my intent to cause any problems or offend anyone with my post.............only to state my opinion.

Hi,

thanks for the response. But lets try and at least be accurate and back our words up.

Ok first of all. There is NO stoning in Quran I really dont know what Quran you have been reading surah 24 or not.

Secondly I have already explained that there is no Muhammeds Sunnah, the QURAN says it itself!.. not my words.

Third devision by muslims is a hadith based history, which I dont follow so it is of no revelence and also EVEN if they did they would not have different names, show me sunni, shiah, wahibi in the Quran, who made these names???.. the Quran states your either a muslim and or a mumin, the difference being this ‘Muslims’ (those who simply have submitted to God) and ‘Mumins’ (those who have advanced and strive with their wealth and lives in the sake of God). So shiah, sunni please show me.

Again as the previously read this post and than tell me about which sunnah you follow. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...82989&st=90[/url] click the link and go to post number 92

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's hubby)

Exactly. Let's try and be accurate and clear up any misunderstandings.

Surah 24 (Al Nur) Verse 2 through 5 talk about the flogging of those guilty of "zina" which in Arabic means intercourse between a man & a woman not married to each other.

According to interpretation, zina applies both to adultery (which implies that one or both of the parties are married to a person or persons other than the ones concerned) and to fornication (which implies that both parties are unmarried). The "barbaric" flogging 100 times is the punishment for zina. The prophet pbuh explained that temptation while one is married should be less and thus, through his teachings and interpretations of these verses we know that punishment for zina for one that is married is stoning to death. If we didn't follow hadith or take them into consideration, would we just say that someone who committed adultery should just be let free with no punishment at all.........would that make sense........would that be fair?

just as a quickly.. as slightly lazy to fully get going with a debate

http://www.jucanada.org/halalguidelines.htm

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/issue_stunning.html

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/resources/mechanical_slaughter.html

"Halal" is an Arabic word that means ‘lawful’. In Islam certain things are lawful and other things are not. The latter are called ‘haram’ and include things such as drinking alcohol, sex outside marriage and eating animals that are not herbivores (such as pigs).

When talking about halal meat we are talking about meat which is lawful for a Muslim to eat, i.e. the animal has been treated and slaughtered in a manner that has been deemed appropriate by God.

Halal not only refers to the actual slaughter of the animal but is also tied in to the welfare of the animal as well as the state of mind, body and soul of the person taking that animal’s life.

So what makes meat halal?

The principles of halal can be split into 3 areas;

The actual slaughter

The welfare of the animal

The state of the slaughterer.

The Slaughter

The following procedures constitute the ideal procedure for slaughtering an animal…

The animal is given a drink of water and is to be placed lying down facing Mecca

The animal must be calmed

The animal is not allowed to see other animals going to slaughter or being slaughtered and ideally not let to smell other animals’ blood

The animal can at no time see the knife

The knife must be razor sharp

A prayer must be read and the intention to take the animal’s life for the correct reasons must be made

The neck must be slit in one clean pull of the knife cutting through the skin and oesophagus right to the back of the neck

The animal must be held securely until all life has left it

These methods are used as they are believed to be the kindest and most effective way of slaughtering.

Stunning is not the considered as an ideal method of slaughtering but some Islamic scholars have permitted it. Therefore much of the halal meat in the UK is stunned and bled just like any other meat. The only difference is that halal meat would be cut by a Muslim.

The Welfare

The Quran, along with the Torah and Bible, is one of the original animal rights texts. In addition, many of the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad demand that Muslims treat animals mercifully and with kindness. In one he says, "God calls for mercy in everything, so be merciful when you kill and when you slaughter: sharpen your blade to relieve its pain".

Technically speaking, Islam opposes battery and intense farming as they are seen as an exploitation of animals. Therefore from birth to death an animal should be reared and cared for in a natural and stress-free environment.

The State of the Slaughterer

The act of taking an animal’s life is called a "sacrifice". This points to the fact that within Islam an an

Hi,

Thanks for the response.

Ok the issue really is about hadith or not. Personaly I dont follow the hadith as it is man made and is not God's system. the barbaric punishments i.e the stoning of adulterers, cutting limbs off killing apostates etc and the non equality of women etc are all in the hadith not the Quran. Hence I dont believe in the hadith. So my point is to re-examine the Quran without the corrupted hadiths, if you do that than you will never find that slaughtering the animal in the way prescribed by hadith. You also made an argument about we should follow the SUNNAH from hadith because it is sayings and actions of the prophet. I have already debunked this and the Quran clearly states there is only ONE sunnah and that is Gods. Please read my previous post "hadith is not Islam" people have tried to argue that we must folow the hadiths and I have responded. But... if you insist on following corrupted man made hadiths as I stated in the post this is not for you.

It is basicaly for "free thinkers" who are sick of old men trying to tell us what to do by following corrupted hadiths. It is what I believe as TRUE Islam. In my opinion Islam has been in the dark for some 1200 years, 200 years after the passing of the prophet people started making hadiths and in my opinion put Islam in the dark. Muhammed had absolutely no authority to say anything other than whats in the Quran and was not even allowed to EXPLAIN the Quran. This is between one soul and God.

The hadiths have also split muslims, its because of the hadiths you have sunni, shia, wahabi etc without hadiths and only Quran the muslims would be one and united. The following is a post I posted before for someone arguing we should follow hadith http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...82989&st=90 click the link and go to post number 92

Peace

Adiel (Mireya's Hubby)

Everyone is entiltled to their own opinion. It is best, however, that one formulate their opinion based on facts from reliable sources. The internet is full of websites containing both reliable & unrelieable information. We should be very careful in our quest for religious understanding.

"Barbaric punishments" are mentioned in the Quran. For example, the stoning of adulterers is mentioned in detail in Sura AlNur, Sura # 24 in I believe

verses 4 & 5.

If one regularly reads the Quran, one will know that there are many things that need detailed explanations and that is what the SOUND hadiths are for......to explain the Quran.

Indeed we should not follow corrupted hadiths and it is true that there is one sunna and that is God's, but God appointed the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to teach the people this sunnah and when people try to follow the example that the Prophet set, they are trying to follow the sunna, the UNcorrupted hadiths are just explanations of how the Prophet dealt in all aspects of life......they were documented to give people an example to follow.....they were not meant to cause discord amongst the people.

The Muslims became divided long before the hadiths were even compiled into volumes of books. Division occurred due to human greed for power and authority as soon as the Prophet (pbuh) had passed away.

It is honestly not my intent to cause any problems or offend anyone with my post.............only to state my opinion.

salam to u....

well i disagree.

Allah says in the quran " say: Obey Allah and His messenger: but if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject faith" suran 3 verse 32

" All who obey Allah and the Messenger are in the company of those on whom is the grace of Allah, of the prophets ( who teach) the sincere ( lovers of truth), the martyres, and the righteous ( who do good): Ah! How beautiful is their company" surah 4 verse 69

" O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His messenger, if ye believe in Allah and the last day: That is best and most suitable for final determintaion" suran 4 verse 59

" Those are limits set by Allah: those who obey Allah and His messenger will be admitted to gardens with rivers flowing beneath, to abide therein (forever) and that will be the supreme achievment" surah 4 verse 13

" But those who disobey Allah and His messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a fire, to abide therein: and they shall have a humiliating punishment" surah 4 verse 14

" Obey Allah, and obey the messenger. And beware (of evil): If ye do turn back, know ye that it is our messenger's duty to proclaim ( the message) in the clearest manner" surah 5 verse 92

Allah also says in the quran in surah 4 verse 80 :"He who obeys The Messenger, obeys Allah: But if any return away, We have not sent thee to watch over them"

These are only few ayat or verses that i managed to find now but im sure u and i know there are LOTS more and i will find them out for u insha Allah. Therefore u have to follow the hadiths that are said to be sahiha meaning they are approved they are correct!! all hadiths are categorized correct and weak and not correct. without hadiths u wdnt know how to fast or pray or perform hajj and alot of other things that are not explained in the quran and thats why Allah has sent a prophet to show us our deen. read more and u will know that when a hadith is labelled correct THEN IT IS CORRECT. read about how the hadiths were collected and how these people whom were asked the scholars have their full bioghraphy and know when they lived and where, with whom and for how long. the hadith that is actually narrated by different people with the same exact phrases, is correct. its a whole deep science its not easy for us to do or even study. i recommend u read more to know for sure that they are not corupted.

These scholars spent all their lifes collecting them and making sure they never noted anything down until a 100% sure. im telling u not yrs n yrs but ALL THEIR LIFE TIME. trust in Allah that his prophet does not speak of anything unless it was from Allah. " la yantiqo 3ani al hawa". Im not trying to convince u becoz Allah guides whomever He wants im only trying to shed some lights on true facts that will be here whether ppl believed in them or not:D

Finally sir i wd like to add this verse: " We only send the Messengers to give glad tidings and to give warnings. But the Unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they threat My signs and warnings as a jest" surah 18 verse 56Thank you for ur time, Raghda:D

Absolutely

I agree. I think that the agony of the visa process is almost a test of the strength of the relationship......especially in today's world that is full of temptation and where everyone is after immediate gratification....... a visa journey (especially a long and difficult one) tests the amount of love and mercy that exists between the couple.........if the couple can't pass that first test then they should question whether or not they want to spend the rest of their lives together since.........for sure............life will give them other tests.......maybe even more difficult ones.......to cope with.

What if the opposite were to occur? What if you (the female), married for love , but because of the wait for the visa, bad communications, misunderstandings, you found yourself doubting your feelings for your husband. Would it be fair to either one of you to bring him here, not knowing if you would want to stay with him after he got here?

I could see how that would happen. The visa process seems to either make or break a relationship. IMO, I would not continue to process a visa for someone knowing that I deep down was no longer emotionally invested in our relationship. The guy should know the truth and if he really and truly loves the woman...he would not want to continue with the visa as well!!!!

He'd be out the door.

I mean I'd have hard core proof that he intended just to get the greencard right?

I would not, however have hard core proof of his love for me, since that is not something one can prove.

I'd say don't let the screen door hit ya where the good lord split ya!!!!

That is sooooo funny!!!

My husband had his interview in May and I believe he had prints of his index fingers taken. Our case was sent to DOS in May and checks were completed the first week in June. I called DOS and was told that everything was completed and that there was no reason why Cairo couldn't issue the visa........................that phone call took place June 9th.

People who leave up Halloween decorations until Valentine's Day and Christmas decorations up until Easter.

Our apartment managers have already put up the Halloween decorations

That is just soooo wrong.

People who leave up Halloween decorations until Valentine's Day and Christmas decorations up until Easter.

Please excuse me if I missed something but in the second line of your post you wrote that when you went overseas, you & your SO "decided to get married" and then you came back and filed the I129F.....in the title of this thread it states "fiance visa egypt"........are you married???.......did you get married during your stay in egypt?.......if so, you should have been filing for a spousal visa, not a fiance one.

I know what you mean wateriswide.

I said I was not going to email the consular anymore but I just broke down and wrote another one. It's been two weeks since I got my last response from them so I guess I was more patient than usual.

I asked them if when they stated that Usama will be contacted with a date and time for his appointment, they mean that he'll be getting a second interview and if so, why? I also told them that I know of several cases that had their file sent to DOS immediately following the interview and I wondered why that is not happening in our case. Then I closed it by apologizing for being a pest and told them that we are anxiously waiting for when he can come here since we want to start having children right away.

I'm sure they'll respond by saying:

"Dear Sir,

Your case is still pending Administrative Processing. We will contact you when it is complete"

yep

I was just reading a bit through the Citizenship & Immigration Ombudsman Annual Report for June 2007 and guess what........my case problem was used as an example on p.82 of the report.......I had written 2 very thoughtful letters to the Ombudsman back in January and then again in February to see if they could help.......they didn't of course.........but they did use my case as an example in their annual report............figures.

http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/CISOMB_...Report_2007.pdf

Yes.....I was born & raised in the states but because I have Egyptian parents I was able to get married as Egyptian residents do......without having to go to the Ministry of Justice.

I think that only works if both parties are Egyptian (if I'm not mistaken). Is your husband Egyptian? I believe M&N didn't have to get married at the ministry of justice because she's Egyptian. I hope she comes by to clarify.

salam to u asharadan.

listen it is true but i ended up getting married al hamdulillah but u have to know its not easy and u need a LOT of patience. stupid me when i planned my marriage to my american husband. i didnt look up much on what i should do or what should happen. it never crossed my mind that there wd be any problem for two ppl to get married ( poor me lol).so anyways one week before my husband ( my fiance then) and his family come to egypt me n my dad went to " al shahr al aqary" and got the devastating news. my dad was soo mad at me for my ignorance. i had the wedding planned and everything was paid for in advance!!! god i felt like my whole world crumbled down into pieces. anyways to make the story short, what we did is find a lawyer (who will ask for a lot of money and make u feel like he is going to move mountains for u) well try to bargain as much as u can but in my situation i was literally desparate. what the lawyer does is... he files an exceptional letter to the minister of justice saying these ppl want to get married plz approve. nothing garaunteed unfortunately. becoz if the minister doesnt feel it then he wont approve. i guess the only thing that helped us that he has arab parents so his name is arab and we re both muslim.

the other option is the urfi which i was soooooooooooooooo ready to do becoz me n my husband had a k-1 visa filed for like 5 months and we felt like its sooo close to getting done we didnt want all this time and money to go to waste!!! and plus i wanted to be with him the fastest time ever. but my dad couldnt live up with the idea at aalllllllllll:(. now im stuck here without my husband cancelling the k-1 and we re STILL gonna start the K-3 i cant imagine the nightmare i got myself into. anyways i just wanted to tell u theres hope .... i guess lol.

im sorry i said my life story .. i guess i feel like i wanted to let it out!!!!!

raghda ouassini

OMG.......I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY for you.....

Honestly, this is the happiest I've been all week......hearing good news for others gives me hope.

Many congratulations to you.

JUST WANT TO LET ALL KNOW MY HUSBAND RECEIVED HIS VISA THIS MORNING!!!! I was so shocked when i woke to his texts that he sent me. So I guess the people at the Cairo Embassy are waking up now. Hope and pray that many more visas get issued this coming month, it would be great to see to have more reunited with their S/O.

KEEP THE VISAS COMING CAIRO!!!!!

4 months and counting