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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Karee in Europe's Slow Surrender to Intolerance   
    What do you know specifically about the rates of antisemitism in the UK? Not just anger directed towards Israel, but actual antisemitism? There is a difference, not that I expect everyone to recognize it as there seems to be a trend amongst certain media to portray a support for civilian Palestinians as antisemitic which is, well, not a valid conclusion without some evidence that this is so.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from decocker in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    Illegal aliens 'thrive'? I presume you mean undocumented migrants and by that I also presume you are referring to the % of that number who are from South of the border who originate in Middle and South America? What version of thriving are we using here?
    No one ls telling you that America hates black people. What you are being asked to consider is that there is a legacy of systemic poverty amongst certain communities as a result of previous American government's policy of considering these people as unworthy of full rights and citizenship. You are also asked to consider how quickly it is reasonable to expect that this community wide lack of resources can dissipate when you consider that there is still discrimination against employing people from these communities (not universal but notable), that these people largely live in areas that have suffered from economic downturn, and that jumping from one economic strata to another is, despite the myth that America is the land of opportunity, less common than amongst other Western Societies?
    What seems to be part of the problem and this is a problem that all America should consider, is that since Thatcher/Reagan people are expected to operate entirely as individuals. Well, that's fine if you want a society that is disparate, uncaring of its fellows and prepared to abandon family relationships to hop from one low paid job to another. Do we really expect a sense of community, of helping family members and the wider community both persons and environment if at the same time we are saying, if there is no work for you where you are, just move somewhere where there is work? That's so much of a nonsense it's head scratchingly stupid. It's fine to have a small portion of the population hopping about looking for work, but not the percentage that need to find work now.
    There is no magic solution, you'll not find a solution from any politician either, they just patch up the problems as best they can but the very least we can do is recognise the problem and not assign blame to people who struggle merely because they don't share the same cultural heritage.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Karee in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    What makes sense to me is to assume that the skin tone you have has zero effect on your propensity toward violence. That said, there are cultural influences that can create a mood of violence. Generally speaking, oppression leads to violence. Most people who resort to violent acts are pretty desperate for one reason or another. It could be ideological desperation or economic desperation but often these go hand in hand. Individuals who resort to violence are generally emotionally desperate as well. People who are well set up, affluent are far less likely turn to violence as a cultural meme.
    I think it's a terrible assumption to make that the black community is unaware of the numbers of incarcerated, or that they blame others for their personal situations. What is not in doubt however is that there is a historical legacy of suppression that no white community has ever experienced, no white community has ever been without representation, without power, without the means to create wealth. While it's nice to note that today, everyone in the US is afforded the same rights and in principal can move up the ladder, if you understand the current economic climate, you will also understand that the ability to move up the economic ladder is largely a myth. Very few people do move out of poverty into middle classes or from the middle classes into the bracket of wealthy/extremely wealthy. Of course, it can be done, it is done but not on a community wide basis. The black community as a whole is more impoverished than any other community except probably native Americans.
    None of this is to say that there aren't poor white people who struggle with the self same issues. Of course there are, and, not surprisingly there is a greater than average chance of a white poor person ending up in jail than a white middle class or wealthy person AND middle class and wealthy people commit a different set of crimes that are largely seen as less of a problem even while these crimes can in fact involve enormous sums of money but they do not largely involve drugs or violence, so no one really takes much notice of these 'white collar' crimes outside of those directly affected.
    So, in answer, I would say, there is no reason to suppose that there is any material difference between the black poor and the white poor as regards to their likelyhood to commit acts of violence, larceny or drug offenses. I expect if you actually broke crime statistics down by the economic position of the perpetrators, there would be very little difference between the propensity towards violence of white/latino/blacks and asians.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from decocker in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    What makes sense to me is to assume that the skin tone you have has zero effect on your propensity toward violence. That said, there are cultural influences that can create a mood of violence. Generally speaking, oppression leads to violence. Most people who resort to violent acts are pretty desperate for one reason or another. It could be ideological desperation or economic desperation but often these go hand in hand. Individuals who resort to violence are generally emotionally desperate as well. People who are well set up, affluent are far less likely turn to violence as a cultural meme.
    I think it's a terrible assumption to make that the black community is unaware of the numbers of incarcerated, or that they blame others for their personal situations. What is not in doubt however is that there is a historical legacy of suppression that no white community has ever experienced, no white community has ever been without representation, without power, without the means to create wealth. While it's nice to note that today, everyone in the US is afforded the same rights and in principal can move up the ladder, if you understand the current economic climate, you will also understand that the ability to move up the economic ladder is largely a myth. Very few people do move out of poverty into middle classes or from the middle classes into the bracket of wealthy/extremely wealthy. Of course, it can be done, it is done but not on a community wide basis. The black community as a whole is more impoverished than any other community except probably native Americans.
    None of this is to say that there aren't poor white people who struggle with the self same issues. Of course there are, and, not surprisingly there is a greater than average chance of a white poor person ending up in jail than a white middle class or wealthy person AND middle class and wealthy people commit a different set of crimes that are largely seen as less of a problem even while these crimes can in fact involve enormous sums of money but they do not largely involve drugs or violence, so no one really takes much notice of these 'white collar' crimes outside of those directly affected.
    So, in answer, I would say, there is no reason to suppose that there is any material difference between the black poor and the white poor as regards to their likelyhood to commit acts of violence, larceny or drug offenses. I expect if you actually broke crime statistics down by the economic position of the perpetrators, there would be very little difference between the propensity towards violence of white/latino/blacks and asians.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from We Keep Receipts in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    If you want to look at the reason behind the high proportion of black people who are incarcerated in the US today, you'd not have to go much further than poverty as a major contributory cause. However, if you start to go there, most people will take the easy route and suggest that of course the work is there but blacks are too lazy to work because there is so much money to be made being a career criminal or living off government handouts. Very few people will bother to ask themselves how easy it is to escape systemic poverty, how easy it is to just walk away form your community, family, home, how easy it is to find inherited wealth, of even the very small amounts that allows the middle class to access extended education, within the black community? Most people are too busy worrying about how scary young black men are, how scary, how lazy, how thuggish and they just don't have time to imagine that maybe, just maybe there is a historic problem that doesn't disappear just because white people 50 years ago decided to extend full citizenship to their black counterparts.
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    Curmudgeon reacted to decocker in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    i like to think big picture. i agree that the war on drugs is a big component of this puzzle. i believe that inner city youth culture, which isn't specific to black youth, but a large portion of today's youth in general in suburban and ghetto settings, is a symptom of our country's mass incarceration and not a cause.
    i don't doubt that, i don't believe any of this happens by accident. quite the opposite actually.
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    Curmudgeon reacted to decocker in Racists attack man just for walking thru their neighborhood   
    looks like people are finally starting to smell something fishy in the us prison population. why is it that so many black men are in jail? why is it that so many americans are jailed period?
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    Curmudgeon reacted to spookyturtle in ISIS 'RAPIDLY DEVELOPING A METHOD OF BLOWING UP A MAJOR US CITY'   
    I can't imagine going through life being so paranoid.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Jacque67 in See a bucket of cold water dumped on George Bush   
    Taking nothing away from the charitable donation (I am sure Bush donated) but was there actually any ice in that water? I didn't spot any.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Jacque67 in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    There is no requirement for a muslim to approve of, ascribe to or support terrorism. The vast majority of muslims do not. You can find out more about the geopolitical issues or you can continue to paint the muslim religion as inherently evil, which is pretty pointless and unhelpful.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Trumplestiltskin in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    There is no requirement for a muslim to approve of, ascribe to or support terrorism. The vast majority of muslims do not. You can find out more about the geopolitical issues or you can continue to paint the muslim religion as inherently evil, which is pretty pointless and unhelpful.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from We Keep Receipts in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    The common denominator with these terrorist groups is not religion, it's territorial advantage. Educated people who go back to their roots to support 'their' people are not really doing so primarily because of religion but from a sense of affiliation with the cultural heritage. It's a fairly easy thing to work out if you ask yourself the mathematical question, which group is the subset, muslims or terrorists? Concentrating on bashing the muslim religion will fail entirely to provide a solution to the ISIS crisis.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from decocker in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    The common denominator with these terrorist groups is not religion, it's territorial advantage. Educated people who go back to their roots to support 'their' people are not really doing so primarily because of religion but from a sense of affiliation with the cultural heritage. It's a fairly easy thing to work out if you ask yourself the mathematical question, which group is the subset, muslims or terrorists? Concentrating on bashing the muslim religion will fail entirely to provide a solution to the ISIS crisis.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from elmcitymaven in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    Not sure how such a statement is helpful. Clearly, the religion itself is not at fault. Paramilitary terrorist activity is not based on religious affiliation but on perceived threats to territory and a way of life. Making facetious comments about this being a religion of peace and love entirely fails to address either the horror and cruelty of such executions or how to combat those who are to blame, all it does is demonstrate a misunderstanding of both the muslim religion and the geopolitical issues that are at stake in the region where ISIS is operating.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Kathryn41 in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    Not sure how such a statement is helpful. Clearly, the religion itself is not at fault. Paramilitary terrorist activity is not based on religious affiliation but on perceived threats to territory and a way of life. Making facetious comments about this being a religion of peace and love entirely fails to address either the horror and cruelty of such executions or how to combat those who are to blame, all it does is demonstrate a misunderstanding of both the muslim religion and the geopolitical issues that are at stake in the region where ISIS is operating.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from decocker in James Wright Foley executed -RIP   
    Not sure how such a statement is helpful. Clearly, the religion itself is not at fault. Paramilitary terrorist activity is not based on religious affiliation but on perceived threats to territory and a way of life. Making facetious comments about this being a religion of peace and love entirely fails to address either the horror and cruelty of such executions or how to combat those who are to blame, all it does is demonstrate a misunderstanding of both the muslim religion and the geopolitical issues that are at stake in the region where ISIS is operating.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from decocker in Woman shoots grandson; thought he was an intruder   
    No. But, there is a body of thought that suggests that because firearms are primarily weapons, there should be some limits on ownership. One of those limits could and should be a mandatory requirement that new gun owners should attend classes to learn basic firearm safety and responsibility, including the legal implications of opening fire on other human beings. As a bare minimum, this could prevent a goodly number of accidents in the home. Would that not be better than shrugging shoulders and dismissing the accidents as merely the actions of stupid people who can't be prevented from doing stupid things with firearms in order to be able to claim that the US is better because everyone (almost) can buy a gun without restriction?
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    Curmudgeon reacted to Sousuke in Woman shoots grandson; thought he was an intruder   
    This was unfortunate. I think the majority of people would be better served by an alarm unless they live in a very dangerous neighborhood.
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    Curmudgeon got a reaction from Harpa Timsah in Woman shoots grandson; thought he was an intruder   
    Sounds like some gun owners advocate safety courses being mandatory. Lots of people would be on board with that. Sad truth is, that those who buy into the idea that living in the US is a scary place that requires gun ownership to make them safe, don't buy into the idea that courses of any description are necessary or desirable and they are certainly not mandatory so guess what? Accidents like this one, lots and lots of accidents like this one. Who knew?
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