verysadguy

Do any of the long time members or any of the applicants have any real stories and occurrences of "material misrepresentation" to share with the board. I need to get a feel for the situations and actions that "material misrepresentation" was discovered, noted, and dealt with by USCIS. Thanks in advance for everyone's experience and knowledge with this.

So, it's the USCIS district director that has seemingly dropped the ball.

Once yer there in the Infopass appointment, talking with the ICE Shift Supervisor,

bring out yer pile of documents,

SHOW THE EVIDENCE TRAIL (of stuff you've submitted) and focus on DATES of things submitted,

and ask that ICE fella for his input.

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Will do Darnell. I only got one form letter from the District Director long ago. I was told that everything was sent to investigations, but I don't know if that was USCIS investigations or ICE investigations. Some had receipt numbers, in other words WAC numbers, some had A file numbers. Supposedly all got to her file. I will let you know in 3 weeks after the InfoPass appointment, unless anything happens before then. Thanks a bunch.

Truly, all depends on 'who files first'.

Were you first, with ICE, or no ?

Nail That Down. Please?

(or not, yer choice)

Time line:

Married

Discovered fraud 1 week later

Sent letter to CIS district director 5 weeks later

Follow up letter one month after that.

Presented hard evidence via infopass appointment another month later.

Divorce served at 6 months with another followup letter to CIS and ICE.

I-485 and I-102 both denied in that time frame (she lost her I-94 or never got one at entry)

Guessing her first contact to VAWA was about 6-8 weeks post divorce served.

So, I had several rounds of letters and evidence submitted antecedent to her VAWA claim.

I followed up with 2 more rounds of Congressional referrals, ICE special agent contacts, and direct to VAWA packages of evidence NOT HEARSAY OR FALSE CLAIMS.

Hope this is clear enough and helps. Appreciate all input.

verysadguys I told you before and i repeat myself, Vawa Unit/USCIS are prohibited from disclosing Vawa cases to anyone. There is a memorandum from ICE about that

http://www.asistahelp.org/documents/resources/ICE_384_Memo_FCD88FAD0E6DD.pdf

I know your case very well. I know you were scammed, but you will waste your time going to infopass. They won't be able to help you with ANY information.I believe you did everything possible to protect yourself and your child. You have "primary custodial" of your baby, and actions speak for itself, you are a great father. But it's time to move on. You informed all agencies about her. Focus in taking care of the baby and finding love again. Good luck.

Thank you Sandranj and I agree, but this infopass is for the benefits fraud part of the case like Darnell suggested. As for the other comment about happiness from the other poster, yes happiness is important. Thanks.

Also, VAWA support messages are important, just as are support for false VAWA support, too. I will take to another thread. Thanks.

Hi Verysadguy: I understand your feeling as a man, but please forgive what your wife did to you in Jesus name, in English we called "Making love, not War", at least your wife tried to join in our big US family by going the legal way, not like those illegal immigratants who worked in the state without even paying taxes.

I appreciate what you are saying, but one should not forgive and make peace with fraudsters. They will run you over and not look back. This is about justice, not revenge. Many men and women are lied to, stolen from, hearts stomped on, and had their character tarnished all for the selfishness of a green card. And is some cases like mine there is the life and future of an innocent child. Personality disordered individuals rarely make good parents and don't just haunt but harm their victims.

I am nice to her and cordial, but I do not let down my guard or concede anything. I am the victim, she is the perpetrator, and the child is an unlucky innocent bystander who deserves an honest and benevolent mother figure.

As for VAWA claimants who truly deserve it, it is wonderful. For those abusing the system it shows the flaws of the Act and the policies of USCIS behind it. How can one adjudicate a case without weighing the validity of claims with real evidence from both sides of the fence?

lorphelpme well there is a chance they won't get her letter tho.USCIS is messy,lol. They always ask when sending a letter to write down VAWA UNIT.She can submit another letter and mention that she submitted a letter before but didn't specified VAWA UNIT.

I just sent a huge packet to the VAWA group supervisor regarding my ex-wife's fraudulent VAWA claim. A family member wrote an affidavit and it was almost completely false and inflammatory. If she gets a green card on almost completely false pretenses it will be a huge injustice to all. Infopass for my side in 2 weeks.

you talked with an ICE human or a special VAWA human? you need an ICE human if you wish to open a fraud case on her. It'll be YOUR case, not hers.

A VAWA case is HER case, not yours.

A fraud case is YOURS, not hers.

Somethings mixed up here, much.

Darnell if my benefits fraud case is ruled in my favor, what happens to her VAWA claim? Does VAWA overall all others? I found more pictures of her naked on webcam while pregnant. How can she possibly get a VAWA approval if she did so many crazy things?

I was in a similar mess a few years ago, minus the baby.

Be patient. Cover your butt. I think you have been. Make sure you keep putting copies of all evidence in her file, with her A# on each page. You can mail them to the local USCIS office, or handcarry them with an Infopass Appointment.

The people at my local USCIS field office weren't real helpful, but they did give me the direct number to the local ICE investigator, who attempted to do something, but the DA didn't want to prosecute the fraud case.

In my situation, my ex was older, not willing to work, and ran out of money and friends to mooch from about 5 months after her conditional green card expired, and about 12 months of surviving in the US on her own. (she had about $8000 of her own money when I cut off support and separated) She wanted to go back to China, and I gave a her a non-refundable, one way ticket home.

People that tell you to 'get over it' don't see to understand it's not over, until it's over. You have the added responsibility of the child to deal with. It's not going to be totally over for a long time.

Your wife will probably exhaust any free legal help she can find, I think whatever story she tells is so full of holes, even overly eager agencies with good intentions will see through it, and money for these agencies is drying up in the rough economy.

Good luck.

Wow clueless really? That gives me hope! I was shamefully defrauded. She was with her lover almost everday for a year before she came to the USA, and spoke to him daily once she got here not to mention the pornography she sent to him. I've sent so many letters with evidence to USCIS and VAWA unit its incredible they haven't tossed her out. Her new lover is paying her legal fees, and by coincidence he just happens to work for the non-profit supporting her. Disgusting moral-less creatures. I'll keep the board updated.

I'm living the same nightmare right now. Tons of evidence sent in and USCIS still gave her an EAD. And now she is sleeping with her Cathilic sponsor. Disgusting. Shame on USCIS for have no guts. And shame on the religious non-profits that believe every lie without corroborating the stories.

1. you've not talked face to face with an ICE Shift Supervisor.

2. you've no infopass appointment to get into the building.

IMO, that's a stall.

IMO, inertia is preventing you from actually doing this.

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Ah ha, gotcha. I've sent in several Fedex's and spoken rarely to an investigator. They are very ho hum attitude. I will make an Inofpass for September and keep everyone in the loop. Thanks.

I don't understand the inertia. Why to stall ?

Thanks Darnell, I value your advice. What do you mean stall? Stall what? Please clarify and expand on your thought process.

Let it go. Why let this person have so much control of your life?

That is good advice Anh Map, but she is suing me if you can believe that over custody that I won and believe it or not claiming I was the fraudulent one thus contesting the pre-nuptial agreement. So, she wants money, no surprise there, but if she gets her green card through false pretenses from her fraudulent VAWA claim she'll come after the baby and child support. I would love to move on, but I have my child to protect. I cannot just let go and move on. The woman is a sociopath and must be stopped, so I am trying to get as much advice as I can and using every legal angle possible.

Please keep giving me good advice regarding my legal situation and how to get to ICE supervisors and how to send evidence to the VSC VAWA unit, etc. I will deal with the emotional side of things myself with good friends and family.

sociopath.

Sociopath Test

The following questionnaire is based on research and experiences of socialised sociopaths.  For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised sociopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

1) Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business? Yes, not even in contact with most of family. 2

2) Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated? Definitely 2

3) Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face? Yes, repeatedly 2

4) Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society? Yes, gloats over her successes at manipulation 2

5) Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt? No guilt 2

6) Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends? Extremely charming to attain goals 2

7) Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation? Yes, always needs attention 2

8) Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing? Can cry uncontrollably to gain attention 2

9) Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse? Yes, duly noted 1

10) Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes? Yes. 1

11) As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal? Resents authority 1

12) Do they have no qualms about sponging off others? Proven sponger 2

13) Are they quick to lose their temper? Yes, can get very temperamental 2

14) Are they sexually promiscuous? In to crazy sex and internet webcam sex 1

15) Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner? Belligerent and domineering 1

16) Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims? Yes, makes promises she cannot keep and breaks them. 2

17) Do they lack any ability to empathise with others? Feigned empathy 2

18) Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible? Mostly. 1

Score: 30

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies.  This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence.  Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

dunno about that but how is the young lady doing these days? you speak with her anymore?

Negative. She rarely even calls to check on the baby.

Recap, came to USA via a fraudulent romance, filed a fraudulent VAWA claim, got an EAD, and is now gloating about how smart she is. I'm just waiting for karma to kick in...

Thankfully baby is with me and not being raised by a sociopath.

Get an InfoPass appointment at that office. Then when yer there, ask to speak to the Fraud Shift Supervisor.

I'm concerned that if I go to USCIS with an InfoPass appointment, and I know ICE is in the same building they will still say no if I request to speak with the Group Supervisor of the Fraud Unit. Anyone have any experience with this. I mean for real they actually did this?

DOn't want to hijack the oiginal post, but K1 implies fiance/fiancee; the waters have been tested or presumed tested; the government can't and should not be hand holding people. DOS can only approve or not based on the presented petition and its supporting documentation. People (us) are supposed to be the first line of filtering against fraud. Yes, scams will be still happen, can't be avoided. Ultimately, there are inherent challenges and risks involved in a cross-cultural, international relationship and each one of us has accepted that (or should accept that), end up scammed is one of those risks. Not blaming the OP at all. Some scam artists are very very good. The only one who can decide direction at this point is the OP, much advice has been given and he know has to weigh his options and proceed.

TO balance things a bit, just a couple of days ago I was reading a post here of a newly immigrant who was 'scammed' by her US husband (and this is not the only one I've read here); not as prevalent? Maybe, the posts here are only a small sample of the entire universe of K-1s, CR-1 that happen every day; so it goes both ways. SHe is returning to her country and to re-tart her life. That is the only sane and healthy thing to do.

And same applies to the OP here, if the evidence is that strong, part ways, don't waste a minute and re-start your life anew without looking back.

Many people say that...break away and start over...

Unfortunately, like me there are lawsuits, children to care for, custody, etc. that linger and don't allow the innocent party to break free. That is the sadness of these scams. USCIS and ICE should work quicker and more deliberately to remove these scammers and con-artists. They ruin the fabric and culture of the USA. It is disgusting what some of these desperate people will do. And often they take away jobs from honest, tax-paying US Citizens.

Yes, I agree the meeting online and visiting once or twice is generally foolish.

Either way it can be destructive to one's emotional health.

Honestly? I don't have sympathy for people who meet someone online and then in real life all of two times before they get married (all within a six month time frame) and then find out they've been scammed. I've been apart from my husband now for 14 months and we STILL have to complete NVC and the 601. I can't even tell you how hard it is to see people get approved and complete their journey in 4 months time when I have a REAL relationship, met him in REAL life and am not getting SCAMMED. So sue me for being so "judgmental" when this process is ANYTHING but fair.

I knew my wife almost ten years. I found out she lied every day for the last 2 years of our relationship. Anyone can get scammed. Get off your high horse please.

I still wonder about the face of her true love when she told him she was pregnant... from me. Kind of pathetic really. A sociopathic liar will lie to everyone (friends, family, lover, authorties) with little to no remorse. Just very selfishly doing things only for herself.

Gowon are you taking about the law in your home Country right? In AMERICA He doesn't need an eviction order to kick his wife #### from his house,and vice versa.

Several people that i advised to call the cops they called , and the cops waited 1 hour until the individual took the stuff. Its not a big deal. Including one person here from VJ last week called the cops and they went there and waited one hour until she took her clothes.

Sandra is right. My ex was not on the title to my home. I told her she had to leave. She left and never came back, not even to get her shoes or clothes. She did file VAWA but there was never any abuse. She can try her best to lie more but there is no evidence. I sent all evidence to every possible office by Fedex. Expensive, but I have a child to protect.

I think you have a case for ICE, but

Get to yer local USCIS Office via infopass, and talk with the ICE Shift Supervisor. Bring yer file, ask for input.

Darnell,

This case sounds suspiciously similar to my case. Weird.

I've submitted a mountain of evidence and received zero feedback from USCIS or ICE. Yet my wife filed VAWA and get an EAD by providing USCIS with a multitude of lies and using a non-profit religious group. Let the lover beware. Women will do anything, and I mean ANYTHING to come to the USA. It is a disgusting abuse of the immigration system.

Get an InfoPass appointment at that office. Then when yer there, ask to speak to the Fraud Shift Supervisor.

Thanks Darnell, I will do that!

My case is with the group supervisor of benefits fraud. I still don't have a case number though. Very weird. I have a contact person though in that office that I can speak with. I'll check in monthly. They keep saying it's the gov't. Things move slowly.

I keep calling and sending in evidence, but no one ever calls me back. I ask for appointments and no one sets one up. Very frustrating.

excellent !

what news of YOUR ICE case?

My case is with the group supervisor of benefits fraud. I still don't have a case number though. Very weird. I have a contact person though in that office that I can speak with. I'll check in monthly. They keep saying it's the gov't. Things move slowly.

Good news!

Her claim of humantrafficking was denied. No news on VAWA. Adjudication of her case was sent to a higher level supervisor above initial ICE investigations. Slow but steady!

the non profit are actually making profits they dont really care about the validty of the story. they will help actual victims as well as scammers. they have the financial support to be doing this and they don't care so dont think for a minute they are interested in the truth. sorry for you dude.

The Catholic sisters are gullible. They believe every sob story without looking for any proof whatsoever. I believe in helping out my fellow man/woman/child but not scammers. A little evidence would be nice.