26 year old woman beaten by 9 middle schoolers on a public bus

[Peikko 1,575]

Nuke Baltimore?

[Fandango 1,440]

the victim's boyfriend then pulled out a knife and threatened the girls .... conflicting reports as to what actually transpired. If this woman did spit in the face of one of the girls, that is considered an assault.

Ok, but if the victim's bf puled a knife, you consider it appropriate response to beat the sh!t outta the woman?

Or even if the woman spat on them....is it a suitable response to beat her so bad the bones in her eye socket get fractured?

Savagery is presumptuous. If that woman spit in the girl's face followed by verbal insults and her boyfriend pulling out a knife, the couple provoked the altercation.

Whoa.

It's hard to imagine how the altercation took place, how quickly it happened, who struck whom, etc. All I'm saying is that calling these teens savages while thinking the woman and her boyfriend are innocent victims is presumptuous. It's easy to get a knee jerk reaction without knowing exactly what took place.

Yet there you are, somehow trying to justify what's gone on. Presuming the kids are being truthful, and they were spat upon, are you sat here sayin you think the response was justified? Glad to see you're in the 'eye for an eye' (npi) camp. I always thought you were against that sort of thing!

9 middle schoolers beating a woman so bad that her eye socket has fractures isn't savagery? Regardless of what the cause, the action in and of itself is horrific if you ask me.

If you truly think the alleged spitting justified the reaction..I would love to delve more into what's appropriate responses to different assaults iyo....like ok, spitting on someone - you can fracture her eye socket. If she punched one of them....would it have been suitable to kill the woman? Cmon then...enlighten me! Where's the chart?

[Ban Hammer 14,571]

by calling the police, your saving their life, shooting them makes you no better than them, again you didnt and dont know the whole story, so again jumping into "lets shoot them all" mode is showing whats wrong with our society

tara, a 9mm in the hand beats 911 on the phone. depending on 911 to "save you" when you are being assaulted is rather silly given the response times.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

the victim's boyfriend then pulled out a knife and threatened the girls .... conflicting reports as to what actually transpired. If this woman did spit in the face of one of the girls, that is considered an assault.

Ok, but if the victim's bf puled a knife, you consider it appropriate response to beat the sh!t outta the woman?

Or even if the woman spat on them....is it a suitable response to beat her so bad the bones in her eye socket get fractured?

Savagery is presumptuous. If that woman spit in the girl's face followed by verbal insults and her boyfriend pulling out a knife, the couple provoked the altercation.

Whoa.

It's hard to imagine how the altercation took place, how quickly it happened, who struck whom, etc. All I'm saying is that calling these teens savages while thinking the woman and her boyfriend are innocent victims is presumptuous. It's easy to get a knee jerk reaction without knowing exactly what took place.

Yet there you are, somehow trying to justify what's gone on. Presuming the kids are being truthful, and they were spat upon, are you sat here sayin you think the response was justified? Glad to see you're in the 'eye for an eye' (npi) camp. I always thought you were against that sort of thing!

9 middle schoolers beating a woman so bad that her eye socket has fractures isn't savagery? Regardless of what the cause, the action in and of itself is horrific if you ask me.

If you truly think the alleged spitting justified the reaction..I would love to delve more into what's appropriate responses to different assaults iyo....like ok, spitting on someone - you can fracture her eye socket. If she punched one of them....would it have been suitable to kill the woman? Cmon then...enlighten me! Where's the chart?

I didn't say their actions were justified because I don't know exactly what they did and how the altercation took place, beyond the conflicting accounts. Some people in this thread have declared it justifiable for a bus driver to shoot somebody when he sees someone attacking a passenger, yet you glossed over that one.

[Peikko 1,575]

I also want the nuke Baltimore, can I?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I would love to delve more into what's appropriate responses to different assaults iyo....like ok, spitting on someone - you can fracture her eye socket. If she punched one of them....would it have been suitable to kill the woman? Cmon then...enlighten me! Where's the chart?

Hmmm... I think that's a little OTT.

I also want the nuke Baltimore, can I?

Some cities could do with a population transplant

[Alex+R 0]

#######? Is it a full fcuking moon? What's with all the crazy inexplicable violence? Clearly, there's something we don't know here. But #######, kids, you don't have to try to kill the lady, no matter how mad you are. But Steven, I agree that an unprovoked assault is a little bit different thing than a provoked assault, in terms of what it says about the kids' total effing craziness. Of course, as I think both Steven and Lisa are saying, that doesn't excuse hurting the woman at all.

[Peikko 1,575]

You mean, Mexico? Ok, if I can't nuke 'em I'll crate 'em and ship 'em to Mexico.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

#######? Is it a full fcuking moon? What's with all the crazy inexplicable violence? Clearly, there's something we don't know here. But #######, kids, you don't have to try to kill the lady, no matter how mad you are. But Steven, I agree that an unprovoked assault is a little bit different thing than a provoked assault, in terms of what it says about the kids' total effing craziness. Of course, as I think both Steven and Lisa are saying, that doesn't excuse hurting the woman at all.

On the surface, it makes me also go...#######??? But I think it's important to hold off on getting outraged without knowing just what transpired. It is tragic and disheartening, but still in the context of how many people get on buses everyday without incident, I don't think we should all get paranoid that the person next to us in a bus is going to jump us for looking at them strange.

[Fandango 1,440]

I didn't say their actions were justified because I don't know exactly what they did and how the altercation took place, beyond the conflicting accounts. Some people in this thread have declared it justifiable for a bus driver to shoot somebody when he sees someone attacking a passenger, yet you glossed over that one.

In both accounts, as far as I can see, no one's disputing the kids beat the woman down.

So back to your highlight of the details....how does that make the savagery presumptuous?

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

1> It's a proven fact that Middle Schoolers (in the US) are becoming increasingly violent and sexually active.

2> Baltimore is the scariest place I have ever visited in my life and I would never want to ever go back there and visit.

Edited December 6, 2007 by OlivianWaleed

[Alex+R 0]

#######? Is it a full fcuking moon? What's with all the crazy inexplicable violence? Clearly, there's something we don't know here. But #######, kids, you don't have to try to kill the lady, no matter how mad you are. But Steven, I agree that an unprovoked assault is a little bit different thing than a provoked assault, in terms of what it says about the kids' total effing craziness. Of course, as I think both Steven and Lisa are saying, that doesn't excuse hurting the woman at all.

On the surface, it makes me also go...#######??? But I think it's important to hold off on getting outraged without knowing just what transpired. It is tragic and disheartening, but still in the context of how many people get on buses everyday without incident, I don't think we should all get paranoid that the person next to us in a bus is going to jump us for looking at them strange.

Certainly the story doesn't make me wary of public transport or anything, but actually, in this case, all I need to know to say the kids did something outrage-worthy is the extent to which they harmed that woman. I mean, you can get off a bus any time, so I don't think they were doing it in self defense. If it was unprovoked, then that's a little scarier, but even if the woman called them horrible names, spat at them and threatened them, they had some choices in how they reacted. What they did was sick.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I didn't say their actions were justified because I don't know exactly what they did and how the altercation took place, beyond the conflicting accounts. Some people in this thread have declared it justifiable for a bus driver to shoot somebody when he sees someone attacking a passenger, yet you glossed over that one.

In both accounts, as far as I can see, no one's disputing the kids beat the woman down.

So back to your highlight of the details....how does that make the savagery presumptuous?

In general, do you presume that when someone acts in what they believe is self defense, it is savagery? Presume all you want, Lisa, but I'm going to hold off drawing any real conclusions about the character of these kids, the woman and her boyfriend, until more witnesses come forward and a more detailed account can be stated.

[Fandango 1,440]

#######? Is it a full fcuking moon? What's with all the crazy inexplicable violence? Clearly, there's something we don't know here. But #######, kids, you don't have to try to kill the lady, no matter how mad you are. But Steven, I agree that an unprovoked assault is a little bit different thing than a provoked assault, in terms of what it says about the kids' total effing craziness. Of course, as I think both Steven and Lisa are saying, that doesn't excuse hurting the woman at all.

On the surface, it makes me also go...#######??? But I think it's important to hold off on getting outraged without knowing just what transpired. It is tragic and disheartening, but still in the context of how many people get on buses everyday without incident, I don't think we should all get paranoid that the person next to us in a bus is going to jump us for looking at them strange.

Certainly the story doesn't make me wary of public transport or anything, but actually, in this case, all I need to know to say the kids did something outrage-worthy is the extent to which they harmed that woman. I mean, you can get off a bus any time, so I don't think they were doing it in self defense. If it was unprovoked, then that's a little scarier, but even if the woman called them horrible names, spat at them and threatened them, they had some choices in how they reacted. What they did was sick.

agreed

[Peikko 1,575]

Can I nuke all middleschoolers too then? We can't have wantonly violent and sexually promiscuous kids wandering about.