My wife got a blue shhet with a 221g wat does it mean?

[ghanta81 0]

After my wife had her interview in pakistan she was handed a blue sheet of paper. There were 2 items check marked the box for 221 g and other administrative processing. They had asked for the court documentation for her previous marriage and had asked her to send her passport along with the court document. Can any one explain to me what this means and how long of a wait am I looking at. I would really appreciate and prompt responses. Thank you.

Edited December 2, 2007 by ghanta81

[Singers 0]

Applicants are ineligible under section 221(g) because the applicant failed to bring some information or document, or some further procedure or review by the consulate or another U.S. government agency must be completed.

Basically they are telling you two things. One, she didnt bring the necessary documentation to show her divorce is finalized. Two, they will then have to review her case again (with the new "evidence") and then you will hopefully get the visa.

Did they say anything else to her? in regards to why she didn't receive her visa?

[aminah 6]

AP can last from a few days to weeks or months. Sounds like if they are asking for her passport to be sent in with her papers that they don't expect it to take long. Don't worry, it sounds like your in a good place. She didn't get the 221g that says that your case is being returned to USCIS so congratulations on that! Hang in there.........I hope for a speedy AP for you both.

Jen

[ghanta81 0]

She had a letter from the arbitration council with her which is listed on the basic documentation requirement, but during her interview the counselor asked for the court documentation. The couselor said it would take 3 months, so I has'nt sure if they sticked me in AP. I have sent the embassy in pakistan an e-mail asking for the status of my case. The only positive thing that I see in my case is the fact that they asked for the passport along with the document and hopefully the other administrative processing means that they will need to review the document that I am sending in.

I guess my next questions is that, (1) Do they mark the other: administrative processing by default for any new documents requested. (2) How can one tell when the embassy sends the case back to the united states to be investigated by another agency. I would like to thank everyone that took the time to repond to my questions. Thank You.

[ghanta81 0]

After my wife had her interview in pakistan she was handed a blue sheet of paper. There were 2 items check marked the box for 221 g and other administrative processing. They had asked for the court documentation for her previous marriage and had asked her to send her passport along with the court document. Can any one explain to me what this means and how long of a wait am I looking at. I would really appreciate and prompt responses. Thank you.

They really did'nt ask anything too detailed in the interview, just a few question about me, my family and texas. Then they asked for the court doc, and everything went downhill at that point.

[emt103c 10]

I think I've spoken to you on a different forum about your case. In case you are not the same person I already spoke to, I am including a link to the Dept of State, Pakistan (document) Reciprocity Schedule.

The document you submitted is the one that is accepted as proof of a valid divorce in Pakistan, and in order to get out of Administrative Processing you will probably need help from an attorney or your Senator/Representative from House.

I originally had submitted proof of divorce from Karachi Court, they REFUSED TO ACCEPT it, and demanded a copy of the union council certificate. My case was being processed in Canada, and Islamabad was where they sent the original court certificate and where they denied it.

In July, I sent in the Union council certificate (same as what you used and what is listed on the Reciprocity Schedule.) Montreal sent it to DOS, DOS sent it to Islamabad, and I've heard nothing since.

Something fishy is going on when they will not accept either one as correct from you AND from me. I've already been waiting five months with no response.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/reciproc...ocity_3644.html

[emt103c 10]

I just saw that you've been working on this since October!

Get an attorney quickly or else get your congressment on your side ASAP. There is a limited amount of time you have to correct this problem. They are giving you the run around and the Department of State Guidelines are on your side.

They are probably using the AP title to actually investigate the Union Coucil certificate, which is what they're doing to me, you submitted, and buying themselves time with the court certificate request.

The U.S. has a REAL problem with validating Pakistani divorces, it says so right on the DOS website.

Edited December 2, 2007 by emt103c

[emt103c 10]

Did you ever send in the court certificate?

[ghanta81 0]

Did you ever send in the court certificate?

Yes I did send the court documentation in, its been 4 weeks but I still have'nt heard back. I remember talking to you earlier, my wife has sent in her passport along with the court document as she was instructed. Did they do the same for you when they requested the union council letter. Honestly I think this is a big scam and their just making us do the run around. I am going to contact the congressman this week, in addition I have sent the ISL embassy a e-mail requesting assistance. How is your case going, and what kind of a response have you got back. I am still not sure if my case is going to be sent to DOS. How do you find out because the CO in ISL never mentioned any thing of that sort. Thanks for responding.

[emt103c 10]

They tried to keep my hubby's passport, but I knew from the forum how long this stuff takes and didn't give it to them (that was back in February.) Since yours started in ISL, I don't think it will be sent to DOS unless they decide something is "wrong" with the documents. I had to get a Senator involved just to find out it was in AP and sent to DOS. Since then I called DOS and they "accidentally" told me it was in ISL, not realizing it wasn't an ISL case, they told me it was there. The woman was shocked when I asked why since it was a MTL case. She then refused to answer any more questions.

I wrote ISL to inquire about it, they sent me a generic FAQ letter back and told me not to email until it had been ten months, I guess so they could tell me they won't answer my questions again.

Hopefully yours will take less time, since it originated in PAK and is staying there instead of traveling like mine did.

Yours will probably go much better than mine also because of my NWFP problem, what consular officer goes there very often to investigate?? (rhetorical question.)

I have a question about the court certificate. Mine was on Govt. of Pak watermarked paper, tan in color with a burgundy/reddish design on the top with a Karachi Court stamp in red. Is this what your's looked like?? AND the union council one, did they give you an Urdu and English copy?? Mine came that way and I'm trying to understand if that is normal.

[ghanta81 0]

They tried to keep my hubby's passport, but I knew from the forum how long this stuff takes and didn't give it to them (that was back in February.) Since yours started in ISL, I don't think it will be sent to DOS unless they decide something is "wrong" with the documents. I had to get a Senator involved just to find out it was in AP and sent to DOS. Since then I called DOS and they "accidentally" told me it was in ISL, not realizing it wasn't an ISL case, they told me it was there. The woman was shocked when I asked why since it was a MTL case. She then refused to answer any more questions.

I wrote ISL to inquire about it, they sent me a generic FAQ letter back and told me not to email until it had been ten months, I guess so they could tell me they won't answer my questions again.

Hopefully yours will take less time, since it originated in PAK and is staying there instead of traveling like mine did.

Yours will probably go much better than mine also because of my NWFP problem, what consular officer goes there very often to investigate?? (rhetorical question.)

I have a question about the court certificate. Mine was on Govt. of Pak watermarked paper, tan in color with a burgundy/reddish design on the top with a Karachi Court stamp in red. Is this what your's looked like?? AND the union council one, did they give you an Urdu and English copy?? Mine came that way and I'm trying to understand if that is normal.

I believe that is normal because thats what i have exactly, I also had the union council letters notarized from the ministry of foriegn affairs in karachi. After doing alot of research and talking to various people I have come to the conclusion that the union council letter does not have any recognition internationally and is just a domestic document. Although the divorce is recongnized in pakistan but will not be accepted in any foriegn countries. The court document that you mentioned is what is actually recognized internationally as it has a triangle shaped stamp on it that gives it that authority. It seems like that stamp is what makes a document internationally recognized. The stamped says, " Notarized to take effect in all continents out of pakistan under international law".

I had my nikkah nama also attested from the ministry of foriegn affair and they had also stamped it with the triangle stamp, but when I had sent the union council letter the ministry did not use that stamp. That is why I believe that the union council letter is not recognized under international law. This is just what I think it might not be true.

My wife went to the location where all documents are submitted to be sent to the embassy and they looked up her case via her passport number and they told her that the embassy was processing her passport, god knows what that means, but we believe the case is not in AP based on what the guy told her. I hope i'm right and the case stays away from AP.

I also got the same FAQ e-mail when I had sent my e-mail to the pakIVinfo address, I believe its an automated response. So then I sent the same exact e-mail to the query address attached with a read receipt and according to the receipt It was received and read yesterday but I still have not received an e-mail back yet to my status request.

Do you have a timeline on when AP will be done on your case, I hope its soon?

Its been two day since I had sent that e-mail out I hope I get a response back soon or i'll have to get the congressman involved.

Edited December 4, 2007 by ghanta81

[emt103c 10]

If you read the automated FAQ, it says that they will not respond to inquiries about AP cases and the second address if they are less than 10 months old, I almost cried when I read that part.

As for the certificates, the link I sent you is the Department of State accepted documents list. They say the only accept the union council certificate, though I, like you thought a court certificate would have more standing.

I also read a case by a court in New Jersey that sets precendence for the acceptance, specifically of Pakistani Divorce documents from Pakistani courts....so...the DOS accepts union council...but there is precedent for both. Read all the way down on the Pakistan accepted documents link I sent you, it is directly from the U.S. Dept of State.

I hope your case goes straight through! Please let me know when it is successful and thank you for your well wishes. I miss living with my husband so much!

Today, I am applying for Canadian Immigration. I have decided that whichever one goes through the fastest is where I will live. I don't care, I just want to live with my crazy Pakistani/Canadian husband I have both certificates, hopefully they will accept at least one of them!

[ghanta81 0]

If you read the automated FAQ, it says that they will not respond to inquiries about AP cases and the second address if they are less than 10 months old, I almost cried when I read that part.

As for the certificates, the link I sent you is the Department of State accepted documents list. They say the only accept the union council certificate, though I, like you thought a court certificate would have more standing.

I also read a case by a court in New Jersey that sets precendence for the acceptance, specifically of Pakistani Divorce documents from Pakistani courts....so...the DOS accepts union council...but there is precedent for both. Read all the way down on the Pakistan accepted documents link I sent you, it is directly from the U.S. Dept of State.

I hope your case goes straight through! Please let me know when it is successful and thank you for your well wishes. I miss living with my husband so much!

Today, I am applying for Canadian Immigration. I have decided that whichever one goes through the fastest is where I will live. I don't care, I just want to live with my crazy Pakistani/Canadian husband I have both certificates, hopefully they will accept at least one of them!

I know this is a really hard time in our lives, and I hope things work out for all of us. I cant believe the system is so messed up, I have seen that webstite before. When I had initially checked on that website it said the same thing a year ago at the time i was filing the case, and that is why I never imagined that there was another document out there. This is really messed up. Judging from your case and mine it seems like this is not just a thing that they requested by chance but something that they ask from each person where a divorce is involved. What really is the most frustrating part of the whole deal is the fact that they can request that document on the website but they dont.

I had called up the DOS a month ago and had asked the same question refering to the website, since they have a pakistan desk. The department deals with policies and envoys from pakistan. Initially they were nice about answering question and then I was refered to talk to some one that basically just told me that there was nothing that I could do , besides submitting the document that was requested. I was so annoyed because there were roit going on at the court at that time which made it even more hard to get the document.

I really can't understand why the system is the way it is, but surely some one needs to step in and fix it. I dont know if their testing our commitment level or what. I can understand how you feel and I hope for the best for you. I just hope that my case is not stuck in AP, its day 2 and I still have'nt received a response back on my e-mail which makes me even more nervous.

Its my wifes birthday tommorrow its feels so weird being so far away from her, I just hope this is all over soon. Thanks for responding back, I really do appreciate it.

[emt103c 10]

I'm sorry I feel bad because knowing that I'm not the only one they're toying with makes me feel a little less alone. I hope they don't keep you in it as long as I have been already.

Get your Senator to call DOS, they were the only ones who would tell that we were in AP, I didn't even get a "blue" sheet. Which state are you in?? I'm in VA, Warner is the best to call here, Webb doesn't have enough seniority yet....They responded to Warner in just a couple of days.

[ghanta81 0]

I'm sorry I feel bad because knowing that I'm not the only one they're toying with makes me feel a little less alone. I hope they don't keep you in it as long as I have been already.

Get your Senator to call DOS, they were the only ones who would tell that we were in AP, I didn't even get a "blue" sheet. Which state are you in?? I'm in VA, Warner is the best to call here, Webb doesn't have enough seniority yet....They responded to Warner in just a couple of days.

I am in texas, im trying to figure out who to contact here. They did'nt give you the blue sheet, did they just tell you to send in the union council letter. Did they give you any indication that your case was going into AP. My was not given any such indication, so im not sure what will become of our case. And they still have'nt responded to my status e-mail.

Yeah i know, although its sounds bad but its is good to know that we're not alone in the process and there are other couples out there going thru the same deal. I hope that this process comes to at happy ending soon for the both of us.

Please keep me updated if you find out about anything that might help my case and I'll do the same if I come about any such info. Thanks