Funny Stories

[Kotenochek 0]

Basically, the roles in Russian night clubs are reversed from those here.

You could compare the semi-sober Russian male to the overweight, but yet, semi-attractive American female. "They all get prettier at closing time." (The Russian equivalent to this would be "well, he's sober enough for his equipment to still function.")

Since this is the "stories" thread, I'll share a story from Moscow that pertains to the issue at hand. Whilst drinking a few too many beers with some new friends in the park across from the Pushkinskaya McDonald's, my buddy and I were amazed when the guys in our group (about 6 of us) encouraged us to accompany them down to Red Square so they could show us the sites of their country. They had two pretty nice looking girls with them, and the girls wanted the two guys they were with to take them home. The guys said a few words to them, hailed them a cab, then sent them on their way and said "Come on, let's go!"

My buddy and I couldn't believe that these young men had just dismissed two young women that were obviously only interested in the one thing most American guys go to a night club for, casual sex. We were like "are you guys serious? You're going to go walking down the street, drinking beer and singing songs, with more DUDES as opposed to taking those girls home and doing nasty things with them?"

I will never forget their reply, and to this day I believe it sums up the current state of affairs for young attractive women in Russia. They said "those are just b!tches. We only just met them last night. Anyways, we will find more tonight!" My buddy and I were like "you mean you just let them go, knowing they were going to have sex with you guys.... you just told them you'd see them later?" And they said "Of course. And anyway, we never will see them later. There are so many more, those girls were nothing anyway. They were just $luts we met in a club. There are much hotter and better ones out there. You'll see when we take you guys with us to the club tonight."

And they were right. There were more.

Now I'm not going to say that's the way it is everywhere in Russia. But, I've known a lot of girls from a lot of different places in Russia and they've all told me pretty much the same story; "Russian men have better things to do than pay attention to the women." A (single) man with a decent job that stays sober most of the time and doesn't beat them up isn't exactly easy to find. They are out there, but there are way more gorgeous girls that stay sober and don't eat all the time.

Edited: For all those offended by the content or language of this post, I presented it as it happened for the sake of illustrating the reality of what I saw while in the presence of real people. If you're offended by reality, please don't partake in it.

Well since women followed those guys from club they probably were bitches..

Good girls just catch a taxi around 2-3 am and go home,they dont wait till the club closing at 7 am.

Sometimes if we were just 2 girls we would wait till 6 am because its safer to leave once metro is working.

again for most of good girls it happens few times a year,not every single week end!!!

Men?Yes it is a problem in russia,why you think we marry american men?lol

No you are wrong,not for money:)))))russians are very rich!!!at least in moscow they are.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

Why is it that russian men have such a cavalier (don't care so much) attitude towards Russian women? I have observed that many (not all) Russian men shy away from family responsibilities and let the women bear most of the load. In fact, I think Russian women do most of the real work anyways..... at home, on the job, wherever. My fiancee says that she knows how to cure many of Russia's ills. Just let Russian women run the country. [Probably not a bad idea for the USA also.... Hillary Clinton excepted.] From what I observed during my limited time in Russia, I tend to agree with my fiancee.

In contrast, many (not all) American women seem to have lost their sense of what it means to be a woman. My fiancee and I have often thought that it would benefit both Russian men and American women if they could spend some time together....... that is, if they could stand being in the same room for any length of time. Russian men might become more responsible and enlightened. American women might regain some of the feminine qualities they once had.

What makes Russian men this way? Too many women..... not enough men? They way they are brought up during childhood? Current socio-economic conditions? Would Russian men and American women benefit from each other?

What do you think?

[Kotenochek 0]

Why is it that russian men have such a cavalier (don't care so much) attitude towards Russian women? I have observed that many (not all) Russian men shy away from family responsibilities and let the women bear most of the load. In fact, I think Russian women do most of the real work anyways..... at home, on the job, wherever. My fiancee says that she knows how to cure many of Russia's ills. Just let Russian women run the country. [Probably not a bad idea for the USA also.... Hillary Clinton excepted.] From what I observed during my limited time in Russia, I tend to agree with my fiancee.

In contrast, many (not all) American women seem to have lost their sense of what it means to be a woman. My fiancee and I have often thought that it would benefit both Russian men and American women if they could spend some time together....... that is, if they could stand being in the same room for any length of time. Russian men might become more responsible and enlightened. American women might regain some of the feminine qualities they once had.

What makes Russian men this way? Too many women..... not enough men? They way they are brought up during childhood? Current socio-economic conditions? Would Russian men and American women benefit from each other?

What do you think?

I do not agree about women leading everywhere ...In russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep omfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

I lived in Moscow and have a bit different idea of all these.Man do respect women much more than in america.

Just nor normal women or men go to clubs to hook up.

I was a manager in a foreigner holding and i had 40 males to manage,most of them make quite a decent money and are very good to their wives..If we talk about losers,well show me the country that does not have them:)

I am married to American,because i love him and there is no any other reason than that.I could also find russian bf,just problem is they are a bit hard to find,since most of good guys aged 28-30that are suitible for me are already married or devorced..

And younger--i am not very interested in them.so probably that is a problem.but I believe we have a great men in russia too:)

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

[Satellite 1]

In Russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep comfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

Let me give you examples of women working for other reasons.

1. My wife and I both work hard, because if only one of us worked we wouldn't have to choose between food, energy, or shelter. As a man I must have failed her badly, because even on my future Attorney's salary it will be near impossible to afford a medium price home of $800,000 in San Francisco on just one salary.

2. My wife's sister lives in Tomsk, Russia. They too cannot afford a flat and are sharing a room in their parents home. She too is working hard and full time in order to save up 1,000,000 rubles in order to buy a one bedroom flat, and they individually make less than 10,000 rubles per month. Note: They were denied credit to buy their own flat. Her husband also I suppose failed her as a man.

3. My mother makes twice as much money as my father. Because in America registered nurses make twice as much as engineers! Unlike the other two men I described above, he was able to buy a home, but my mother works, because she wants the family to have nice things, go on vacation, and enjoy themselves rather than living pay check to pay check. He too must have failed her as man.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

I do not agree about women leading everywhere ...In russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep omfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

I lived in Moscow and have a bit different idea of all these.Man do respect women much more than in america.

Just nor normal women or men go to clubs to hook up.

I was a manager in a foreigner holding and i had 40 males to manage,most of them make quite a decent money and are very good to their wives..If we talk about losers,well show me the country that does not have them:)

I am married to American,because i love him and there is no any other reason than that.I could also find russian bf,just problem is they are a bit hard to find,since most of good guys aged 28-30that are suitible for me are already married or devorced..

And younger--i am not very interested in them.so probably that is a problem.but I believe we have a great men in russia too:)

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

No offense taken. Thank you very much for your response. It is much appreciated.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

In Russia still Men are supposed to provide for family and women keep comfort at home.Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..It is very hard in a small cities to find a job.

Let me give you examples of women working for other reasons.

1. My wife and I both work hard, because if only one of us worked we wouldn't have to choose between food, energy, or shelter. As a man I must have failed her badly, because even on my future Attorney's salary it will be near impossible to afford a medium price home of $800,000 in San Francisco on just one salary.

2. My wife's sister lives in Tomsk, Russia. They too cannot afford a flat and are sharing a room in their parents home. She too is working hard and full time in order to save up 1,000,000 rubles in order to buy a one bedroom flat, and they individually make less than 10,000 rubles per month. Note: They were denied credit to buy their own flat. Her husband also I suppose failed her as a man.

3. My mother makes twice as much money as my father. Because in America registered nurses make twice as much as engineers! Unlike the other two men I described above, he was able to buy a home, but my mother works, because she wants the family to have nice things, go on vacation, and enjoy themselves rather than living pay check to pay check. He too must have failed her as man.

I do not think of it so much as "failing as a man" or succeeding. Life is life. It is tough nowadays to make it on one salary.... even my former attorney salary. Sometimes it is tough to make it on two salaries. In fact, it will be difficult financially when my finacee and her son arrive. However, we have a saying that encourages us and gives us hope: "Life may sometimes be difficult and hard..... but as long as we are together life will always be beautiful."

[katya_and_besik 0]

Normally women works for her pleasure and Man of providing food and other important stuff.

there are very many women out there that have to work for living,because they married very young and husbands turned into an alcoholics..

That is totally not true. I do not know a single woman that works "for pleasure". In fact, the majority of men and women (in Moscow and other cities) work to survive. My mother has her own business, and works very hard... not because my dad is an alcoholic, but because it is not possible to survive on a surgeon's salary of $1000 a year.

The situation you are describing, reminds me of the stories my mother-in-law tells me: back in the 1980s when USSR was still strong, they used to live in Tbilisi, Georiga (100% corruption on all levels), and yes, she was working for pleasure. What she was making as a music-school teacher was only enough to pay for a cab (she used to take a CAB to work EVERY DAY). Yet, they had enough money to take a flight to Moscow once a week to see a performance in Bolshoi Theatre.

[slim 1,534]

So do american women:)not all of them are feminists:)Deep inside even they would be feminine if american mammome men-that still live with parents go and do some work to provide:)

No offense meant:)

I've explained to my wife several times that we've been conditioned, as men, here in the U.S. that we don't automatically "help" women anymore. We're not allowed to. There was a time when it was acceptable, even encouraged, for men to be "gentlemen" and hold the door open for a lady or to extend a hand when she was exiting the bus, etc.

Now, pull a chair out for a female while out on a date and you're automatically labeled as an overpowering male dominance type.

The problem with this whole situation is the ladies secretly like being treated like ladies, but they've already dug their own grave, and now they have to lie in it. The same women that will tell you "I want to be treated like a lady" will also be the one to tell you "I can do it myself."

There's a thin line here because the same "gentlemenly" behavior that necessitated holding the door for a lady also entitled her to the receiving end of an @$$ slap after passing by. Women worked very hard to change that part but unfortunately stopping the @$$ slapping resulted in a suspension of door opennings as well.

The current status of "get your own door" is often preceded by an "I can get it myself" or followed by an "I don't need your help." So, what's a guy to do?

Personally, I have noticed that holding the door and refraining from the @$$ slap is quite readily accepted if done in a manner which doesn't imply "I just held the door for you b!tch, you better let me slap your @$$ later."

The hard part is selling the fact that, as a man, I don't want to slap your @$$. I mean come on, I did just hold the door for you, afterall.

[katya_and_besik 0]

I think she was talking about married women working only if they want to, not single women.

I meant "I do not know anybody who works for pleasure"

Edited October 20, 2007 by katya_and_besik

[Satellite 1]

I meant "I do not know anybody who works for pleasure"

I completely agree with you on this topic. But I think you do know someone: Kotenochek, and her family

[slim 1,534]

I meant "I do not know anybody who works for pleasure"

I completely agree with you on this topic. But I think you do know someone: Kotenochek, and her family

I've met a couple women "in the lady business" (otherwise known as the world's oldest profession) and they seem to do pretty well for themselves, well enough that they could've retired a long time ago. They keep working for some reason though. I'm not sure if it's for pleasure or not, but they're certainly not trying to find a "best customer" to turn into a husband.

(From what I've been told, and their actions supported it, they get to the point where they're addicted to the power they hold over the men they service, and the money that comes along with it. Once in another profession, they aren't treated with the same "respect" as while they're "working.")

[Buck and Natalia 0]

FUNNY STORIES - FUNNY STORIES - FUNNY STORIES....... that is the theme of this thread........... althrough I could write forever about how the radical elements of the feminist movement took control and sold American women a bill of goods.

In the beginning it was mostly about equal pay for equal work..... but, as the more radical elements took control, it was transformed into "men are bad" and included "men are condescending" if they are courteous to women (e.g. opening doors, giving up seats on bus, etc.). The end result was men being chewed out or verbally reprimanded for simply trying to be nice. Most guys I know simply gave up after 2 or 3 such negative experiences. I still do it for strangers sometimes but it is a total dice roll as to whether the woman will respond positively or negatively. Accordingly, I find myself limiting my politeness to women I know (family, fiancee, etc.) and letting the others fend for themselves. Sadly, because I limit myself, the politeness that was once second nature and an automatic response is now lost. I have to think about it and I sometimes forget even with those women close to me.

mmmmmm.... even now I can not stick to my own theme. My apologies. Somebody please rescue us from the feminism topic.

[1HappyGuy 46]

Bags, bags, bags! Oh my God, how could I forget about that. My wife saves every single plastic bag we get at the store. In fact she told me to not take paperbags but plastic ones. I hope she isn't planning on selling them for kopecks in Ukraine. Since she has arrived (almost two years now) we have plastic bags everywhere. She wraps everything we get in plastic bags and buries it in the refrigerator. I have to unwrap and open everything to figure out what it is. She even wraps things that have their own refrigerated container.

Every cupboard under the sink is filled with plastic bags. I don't mind her saving them but can't we find a way to package them so they don't look like packing material for shipping things. I have to pull out bags holding bags to find things under the sink like cleanser, ant spray, mouthwash or bar soap. Every bathroom waste basket has a bag to hold trash. Before she arrived I just dropped trash in the basket and then dumped the waste into the trash can before trash day. If the waste basket was dirty it was an easy job to wash it out.

I thought that article about trying to restrict Russian women from marrying foreigners was interesting. Maybe we should line up that guy with the people responsible for IMBRA. We could set up an exchange program where we will send American women to hook up with Russian guys. After all, a lot of American women believe they are the best women in the world, so how could that not improve the Russian gene pool.

[Buck and Natalia 0]

Bags, bags, bags! Oh my God, how could I forget about that. My wife saves every single plastic bag we get at the store. In fact she told me to not take paperbags but plastic ones. I hope she isn't planning on selling them for kopecks in Ukraine. Since she has arrived (almost two years now) we have plastic bags everywhere. She wraps everything we get in plastic bags and buries it in the refrigerator. I have to unwrap and open everything to figure out what it is. She even wraps things that have their own refrigerated container.

Every cupboard under the sink is filled with plastic bags. I don't mind her saving them but can't we find a way to package them so they don't look like packing material for shipping things. I have to pull out bags holding bags to find things under the sink like cleanser, ant spray, mouthwash or bar soap. Every bathroom waste basket has a bag to hold trash. Before she arrived I just dropped trash in the basket and then dumped the waste into the trash can before trash day. If the waste basket was dirty it was an easy job to wash it out.

I thought that article about trying to restrict Russian women from marrying foreigners was interesting. Maybe we should line up that guy with the people responsible for IMBRA. We could set up an exchange program where we will send American women to hook up with Russian guys. After all, a lot of American women believe they are the best women in the world, so how could that not improve the Russian gene pool.

Hahahaha... good story. On a side note, do you really think Russian men would be interested?

[katya_and_besik 0]

Bags, bags, bags! Oh my God, how could I forget about that. My wife saves every single plastic bag we get at the store. In fact she told me to not take paperbags but plastic ones. I hope she isn't planning on selling them for kopecks in Ukraine. Since she has arrived (almost two years now) we have plastic bags everywhere. She wraps everything we get in plastic bags and buries it in the refrigerator. I have to unwrap and open everything to figure out what it is. She even wraps things that have their own refrigerated container.

Every cupboard under the sink is filled with plastic bags. I don't mind her saving them but can't we find a way to package them so they don't look like packing material for shipping things. I have to pull out bags holding bags to find things under the sink like cleanser, ant spray, mouthwash or bar soap. Every bathroom waste basket has a bag to hold trash. Before she arrived I just dropped trash in the basket and then dumped the waste into the trash can before trash day. If the waste basket was dirty it was an easy job to wash it out.

My grandma had a similar plastic-bag-mania (this tendency to save "stuff" goes back to Soviet times when everything, from maternity clothes to plastic bags was impossible to find), but she used to go even further, she would wash dirty plastic bags and hang them up to dry, I hope she does not do that any more

Edited October 23, 2007 by katya_and_besik