A Sleeper Amnesty: Time to Wake Up from the DREAM Act

[DeadPoolX 9]

The problem with all these things is, whether you like the idea or not, illegal aliens are here in the US and can't just be ignored.

Clearly, some people would like to see them deported summarily. However, despite wanting this to happen, there is no way currently of footing the 'enormous' bill that such a measure would require.

We have on this message board heard all sorts of 'solutions' to this problem but they all require, without exception, a huge financial input.

In the meantime the problem persists and somehow the states who have the illegal aliens have to deal with them and in such a way as to be seen at least, to be treating them in a humanitarian fashion.

So, until and unless someone comes up with a foolproof and cheap plan of getting rid of them, they are here. Some of the measures that are put forward are a way to 'get the problem to go away' more cheaply than deportation and allowing the under 16's to become LPR's is way of going about it.

So, you can continue to berate the woes of illegal immigration, you can continue to bang the unfair drum, you can continue to get frustrated and annoyed that these people are 'getting away with it' at the expense of those who are trying to do it the 'legal' way...or you can accept that this is what is and get on with your life.

I think most people aren't so blind as to think that we could just snap our fingers and suddenly be rid of the illegal alien problem. However, the part I think most here take issue with is that we're attempting to get our loved ones here legally. Yet, we have to go through hell and back to do it! It takes loads of time (I'm sure we can all agree that being apart for months on end is extremely difficult) and costs a lot of money, as well as requires tons of paperwork filled out (and even an interview or two).

It isn't so much about people whining "It's not fair!" but asking why do those who break the rules intentionally get a "free pass" while those who follow the rules, hoping to do things legally, get screwed over by the very government which is allowing the illegals to do whatever they want in the first place? Each and every day, it's becoming less worth it to do the entire process the "legal way" since it's turning into nothing more than an unnecessary hassle and cost.

If things continue this way, I don't even see a reason why anyone should even bother persuing a visa in the next few years; they might as well just come across the border and demand to stay! After all, isn't it their "right" to remain in the United States? So far, the immigrants trespassing into this country think so -- and the worst thing about it is, apparently so does the majority of the U.S. government!

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

Addie, you can't rest someone else's case for them.

Your are correct, Just the same as you can guide a horse to water but can't make it drink.

Ignorance is bliss!

[Caladan 19]

Ooh, ooh, I have one. Look before you leap!

[Peikko 1,575]

Im speaking of the government, and the whining crying ppl i was referring to are the illegals.

You may have been, I wasn't.

Although people latch onto the media hyped cases, for the most part illegals aren't whiners, it's not really in their interest to be so. This doesn't change anything one way or another as to whether it's right, wrong or anything else, but it does illustrate people's willingness to see illegal aliens as 'terrible' people, regardless of what they are like as individuals.

I realise that ultimately, if you are very annoyed about the 'unfairness' of the situation, the perception that they are also probably whiny, nasty criminals does somehow help, but it's not really accurate.

However, I am not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I am simply saying that you can't ignore something that is there.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

The problem with all these things is, whether you like the idea or not, illegal aliens are here in the US and can't just be ignored.

Clearly, some people would like to see them deported summarily. However, despite wanting this to happen, there is no way currently of footing the 'enormous' bill that such a measure would require.

We have on this message board heard all sorts of 'solutions' to this problem but they all require, without exception, a huge financial input.

In the meantime the problem persists and somehow the states who have the illegal aliens have to deal with them and in such a way as to be seen at least, to be treating them in a humanitarian fashion.

So, until and unless someone comes up with a foolproof and cheap plan of getting rid of them, they are here. Some of the measures that are put forward are a way to 'get the problem to go away' more cheaply than deportation and allowing the under 16's to become LPR's is way of going about it.

So, you can continue to berate the woes of illegal immigration, you can continue to bang the unfair drum, you can continue to get frustrated and annoyed that these people are 'getting away with it' at the expense of those who are trying to do it the 'legal' way...or you can accept that this is what is and get on with your life.

I think most people aren't so blind as to think that we could just snap our fingers and suddenly be rid of the illegal alien problem. However, the part I think most here take issue with is that we're attempting to get our loved ones here legally. Yet, we have to go through hell and back to do it! It takes loads of time (I'm sure we can all agree that being apart for months on end is extremely difficult) and costs a lot of money, as well as requires tons of paperwork filled out (and even an interview or two).

It isn't so much about people whining "It's not fair!" but asking why do those who break the rules intentionally get a "free pass" while those who follow the rules, hoping to do things legally, get screwed over by the very government which is allowing the illegals to do whatever they want in the first place? Each and every day, it's becoming less worth it to do the entire process the "legal way" since it's turning into nothing more than an unnecessary hassle and cost.

If things continue this way, I don't even see a reason why anyone should even bother persuing a visa in the next few years; they might as well just come across the border and demand to stay! After all, isn't it their "right" to remain in the United States? So far, the immigrants trespassing into this country think so -- and the worst thing about it is, apparently so does the majority of the U.S. government!

Well stated

Not only do those criminals who break the rules get a free pass, those who follow the rules pay more and have to support those who break the rules.

Those who break the rules as we like to call it ( which is a vanilla way of pointing out these criminal illegal aliens) can come into our country illegally, steal from our govt. get free education, medical care in some cases subsidized or free housing, while Americas poor or even middle class LEGAl residents & Citizens are paying dearly for it. That is not even including the additional threat these Illegals bring to our nation ( 9/11 6 of the terrorists entered Illegally through our southern border!)

[Heracles 417]

Addie, you can't rest someone else's case for them.

Your are correct, Just the same as you can guide a horse to water but can't make it drink.

Ignorance is bliss!

I guess you did not receive the international memo. America is now the dumping ground for everyone else's poor.

Why would Mexico take care of their poor when America can do so for them. They have other more important stuff to worry about like the richest man in the world living there..

[Heracles 417]

However, I am not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I am simply saying that you can't ignore something that is there.

Or let people simple come in and use this nation as they see fit. Law and order are the basic fundamental building blocks of all nations.

[Peikko 1,575]

Nice rhetoric and it's a good flame throwing technique, but you still haven't explained how you are going to pay for their removal.

Shooting the messenger and all that springs to mind...still, foam at the mouth all you like, it's not going to change anything anytime soon.

[Sinergy 3]

Im speaking of the government, and the whining crying ppl i was referring to are the illegals.

You may have been, I wasn't.

Although people latch onto the media hyped cases, for the most part illegals aren't whiners, it's not really in their interest to be so. This doesn't change anything one way or another as to whether it's right, wrong or anything else, but it does illustrate people's willingness to see illegal aliens as 'terrible' peopleregardless of what they are like as individuals.

I realise that ultimately, if you are very annoyed about the 'unfairness' of the situation, the perception that they are also probably whiny, nasty criminals does somehow help, but it's not really accurate.

However, I am not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I am simply saying that you can't ignore something that is there.

do me a favor, dont quote me and then say the same as me but use my words. if you are not speaking of the same as me, quote yourself and make it very clear what you are referring to. Thanks

second, they are whiny and crying, did you miss the whole retarded protest for rights they dont deserve??

no one said they are terrible ppl, you twisted that one

and lastly im not annoyed by any unfairness, life isnt fair and to me i could care less, your taking what i post and making it into something i didnt say bc thats just how you are. every post you argue on you manipulate the poster.

Edited September 17, 2007 by Ionescu

[GaryC 7]

Nice rhetoric and it's a good flame throwing technique, but you still haven't explained how you are going to pay for their removal.

Shooting the messenger and all that springs to mind...still, foam at the mouth all you like, it's not going to change anything anytime soon.

We have already started. Enforce the laws, put the people that hire them in jail and deny government benefits to the illegals. They will leave on their own. The tired old excuse that we cannot afford to kick them out just does not work any more.

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh good grief.

I was referring to the people who whine about illegal aliens and how it's so terrible blah, blah, blah.

You were stating that it's the illegals who whine, blah blah blah.

I then said, actually, the illegals aren't on the whole whiners...

Is that better?

Enforce the laws

And enforcing existing laws is somehow free because?

If that was true, it would be being done in such as way as to substantially reduce the problem instead of it being a few well hyped cases. The fact is enforcing the laws is also a very expensive solution. So, open your wallets people.

[Caladan 19]

The problem with all these things is, whether you like the idea or not, illegal aliens are here in the US and can't just be ignored.

Clearly, some people would like to see them deported summarily. However, despite wanting this to happen, there is no way currently of footing the 'enormous' bill that such a measure would require.

We have on this message board heard all sorts of 'solutions' to this problem but they all require, without exception, a huge financial input.

In the meantime the problem persists and somehow the states who have the illegal aliens have to deal with them and in such a way as to be seen at least, to be treating them in a humanitarian fashion.

So, until and unless someone comes up with a foolproof and cheap plan of getting rid of them, they are here. Some of the measures that are put forward are a way to 'get the problem to go away' more cheaply than deportation and allowing the under 16's to become LPR's is way of going about it.

So, you can continue to berate the woes of illegal immigration, you can continue to bang the unfair drum, you can continue to get frustrated and annoyed that these people are 'getting away with it' at the expense of those who are trying to do it the 'legal' way...or you can accept that this is what is and get on with your life.

I think most people aren't so blind as to think that we could just snap our fingers and suddenly be rid of the illegal alien problem. However, the part I think most here take issue with is that we're attempting to get our loved ones here legally. Yet, we have to go through hell and back to do it! It takes loads of time (I'm sure we can all agree that being apart for months on end is extremely difficult) and costs a lot of money, as well as requires tons of paperwork filled out (and even an interview or two).

It isn't so much about people whining "It's not fair!" but asking why do those who break the rules intentionally get a "free pass" while those who follow the rules, hoping to do things legally, get screwed over by the very government which is allowing the illegals to do whatever they want in the first place? Each and every day, it's becoming less worth it to do the entire process the "legal way" since it's turning into nothing more than an unnecessary hassle and cost.

If things continue this way, I don't even see a reason why anyone should even bother persuing a visa in the next few years; they might as well just come across the border and demand to stay! After all, isn't it their "right" to remain in the United States? So far, the immigrants trespassing into this country think so -- and the worst thing about it is, apparently so does the majority of the U.S. government!

People here aren't very careful to distinguish between the private sector offering something that might benefit an illegal worker (Bank of America, being able to buy Cheetos without proof of citizenship, the laundromat daring to have a sign in Spanish, whatever), actions by local and state government (New Haven's ID cards, general community policing policies) and amnesty by the federal government. Blind seems like a fair charge to me.

As far as my husband's legal immigration goes, the process is surely a pain in the ###, but you know, I think it probably has more to do with marriage fraud than illegals. The people slowing me down aren't the migrant farmers. It's the guys who used to petition for fiances never having met them. It's the millions of people who delayed filing until July 28th even though they married months and months before. It's all the guys who brought over women who they barely know who then skipped town. It's the guys explaining that you can use the 90 days to get to know each other better and figure if their girl doesn't pass the interview, they'll just find another one. It's the women and men overseas who figure marrying a USC is a good way to get a permanent resident card. If we're talking why it's hard for me to bring over my Canadian fiance, there's your reasons. Not illegals.

I'm sure someone's done the math. How much would it cost to find, process, and deport 12 million illegal immigrants? I think it is not feasible because getting them out of here in a timely and legal manner would require something on the order of hiring a hundred times as many judges as we have now. (Right now, if you do deportation orders per day, it would take about 72 years.... which practically doesn't do a blessed thing.) That's before we even increase funding to ICE.

[Sinergy 3]

Oh good grief.

I was referring to the people who whine about illegal aliens and how it's so terrible blah, blah, blah.

You were stating that it's the illegals who whine, blah blah blah.

I then said, actually, the illegals aren't on the whole whiners...

Is that better?

Enforce the laws

And enforcing existing laws is somehow free because?

If that was true, it would be being done in such as way as to substantially reduce the problem instead of it being a few well hyped cases. The fact is enforcing the laws is also a very expensive solution. So, open your wallets people.

our wallets have been open long enough providing for the illegals, im closing it now. im sick of it. i have my own family to feed and house, and my husband is here LEGALLY.

our governemtn needs to buck up and take care of the legal ppl in this country and stop concerning themselves with the illegals. i belive the american ppl should do the same.

[Addie_Goodvibes 0]

Nice rhetoric and it's a good flame throwing technique, but you still haven't explained how you are going to pay for their removal.

Shooting the messenger and all that springs to mind...still, foam at the mouth all you like, it's not going to change anything anytime soon.

You must not have read previous posts, We already ARE paying for it.

still waiting for you to post your address here and open your home to my family & I.

[GaryC 7]

Enforce the laws

And enforcing existing laws is somehow free because?

If that was true, it would be being done in such as way as to substantially reduce the problem instead of it being a few well hyped cases. The fact is enforcing the laws is also a very expensive solution. So, open your wallets people.

It's cheaper than letting them stay.