Islam: a Plan for World Domination?

[smoke20 0]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

are you proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government? does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

every last word you have written has made me want to vomit. no noone should fear anyone reading this, noone has alerted the authorities.....so hate on.but one should definitley watch ranting against & basically spitting on the the flag of the country you live in.

[Ban Hammer 14,279]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

you are proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government, does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

Smoke20 doesn't believe in the freedom of speech if he doesn't agree with whats being spoken.

wondering how those organizations would view the posts isn't the same as not believing in free speech.....

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

...basically spitting on the the flag of the country you live in.

Out of curiosity - where in the thread did this happen?

[Dan J 277]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

you are proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government, does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

Smoke20 doesn't believe in the freedom of speech if he doesn't agree with whats being spoken.

The idea that the authorities would be interested in a theoretical discussion is rather laughable. Pointing out the grey areas of urban warfare and different ideological perceptions pertaining to groups who practice guerila warfare hardly amounts to support for Bin Laden.

The FBI did go as far as to put informants in peace activists groups, so it wouldn't surprise me too much. But yes I doubt they would even see discussions on this board or care for that matter.

[Dan J 277]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

are you proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government? does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

every last word you have written has made me want to vomit. no noone should fear anyone reading this, noone has alerted the authorities.....so hate on.but one should definitley watch ranting against & basically spitting on the the flag of the country you live in.

So if disagreeing with the actions of them military or our leaders is spitting on the principals and values of this country. Then you need a history less. This country was founded on dissent. And dissent will always be part of our country. If you don't like dissent, I hear China is looking for more people to jail for disagreeing with them.

[The_dip_sticks 0]

First of all the usa started an ILEGAL war or have you forgotten that, over lies proclaiming sadam Hussain had WMD's.

the intel services of many different countries believed he had them also.

The child mortality rate is now as it was in the 60s due to the lack of medical care and babies are being born deformed because of the spread of Uranium from US weapons.

i'd like to see something that backs that up. the only ammunition that i know of that is made from depleted uranium are tank rounds and some cannon rounds (a-10).

Chemical weapons used in Fallujah with 50,000 civillians in there was not by the book, rapes of Iraqi girls is not by the book.

what chemical weapons are you referring to?

No running water, no electricity, no real medical care, the economy is destroyed, mortality rate for children is up.

got a source for that?

You occupied a country with no plan, did you people pay no attention to history Algeria, vietnam, ireland...

there was a plan, probably not the right one but it's not a fly by the seat let's play it as it goes what's a plan type of operation. i don't know what military you're familiar with, but the us military does have a plan for dang near anything

The US has no where near enough men to take control of a country with 25 million people, standard militry doctrine will tell you that, you need half a million soldiers at least

really? where did you dig up that number from? i'm certainly unfamiliar with any table that indicates X population needs X amount of soldiers.

You take out lone gunmen with bombs from 40,000 feet,

i'd like to see a source for that too. because it's false.

the US has never ever won a gorilla warfare and you just dont have the stomach for it.

i suppose the revolutionary war....the pacific campaign in ww2...forgot about those?

well you obviously still beleive they had WMD's even though condelezza rice admitted they didnt in 2000. not really worth continuing with you D**b A$$. Learn something and come back to me. My sources are from british generals coming back from the war, the british broadcasting association and the associated press and the dozens of other news agencies I utilise on a daily basis.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

you are proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government, does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

Smoke20 doesn't believe in the freedom of speech if he doesn't agree with whats being spoken.

The idea that the authorities would be interested in a theoretical discussion is rather laughable. Pointing out the grey areas of urban warfare and different ideological perceptions pertaining to groups who practice guerila warfare hardly amounts to support for Bin Laden.

The FBI did go as far as to put informants in peace activists groups, so it wouldn't surprise me too much. But yes I doubt they would even see discussions on this board or care for that matter.

Well this is the same organisation that had files on Steve McQueen of all people.

Even so - I'm not sure why the FBI is being mentioned - except as a (rather poor) means to stifle certain aspects of the discussion through the use of fear. I'll be buggered if I'm going to worry about what I should say in public, as though the shadowy threat of the FBI should act as some sort of metaphysical watchdog, standing over my shoulder as a filter for my words.

Some sort of Neo-McCarthyism at work perhaps?

Edited September 13, 2007 by Number 6

[BabyBlueSusie 1]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

are you proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government? does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

every last word you have written has made me want to vomit. no noone should fear anyone reading this, noone has alerted the authorities.....so hate on.but one should definitley watch ranting against & basically spitting on the the flag of the country you live in.

now be fair, i never spat

just because i consider the other side of the coin, doesnt make me any less of an american than captain america...ok maybe a little less than him...i am very critical of our government, but if we want to continue to live in such a country (yes it is a good one), we have to always be alert and questioning the decisions that our government makes...afterall, they represent us dont they? if they are supposed to be repesenting me (for the people, by the people), then you better know damn well that i am going to ###### and moan if they do something that i think is unjust or immoral...if the people dont keep the government in check, who the hell is going to?

we need to learn from great powers that have come and gone before us, sometimes i think that people forget that our status, rights, money and everything we have can be taken away in a second if we are not careful

dont hate just because i dont smile and nod along with every decision our government makes

[Peikko 1,575]

I think some people would be more comfortable if the FBI did spend it's time squashing free thinking. I guess it comes down to the fact that there are some people who believe implicitly that if the US is engaged in conflict, then they are doing so because it's unequivocally the 'right' thing to do. If only this were true...

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I started this thread. It's mine. Ya'll hear me? It's MINE! Now behave yo damn selves or I'll have it locked, ya'heard?

[Dan J 277]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

you are proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government, does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

Smoke20 doesn't believe in the freedom of speech if he doesn't agree with whats being spoken.

The idea that the authorities would be interested in a theoretical discussion is rather laughable. Pointing out the grey areas of urban warfare and different ideological perceptions pertaining to groups who practice guerila warfare hardly amounts to support for Bin Laden.

The FBI did go as far as to put informants in peace activists groups, so it wouldn't surprise me too much. But yes I doubt they would even see discussions on this board or care for that matter.

Well this is the same organisation that had files on Steve McQueen of all people.

Even so - I'm not sure why the FBI is being mentioned - except as a (rather poor) means to stifle certain aspects of the discussion through the use of fear. I'll be buggered if I'm going to worry about what I should say in public, as though the shadowy threat of the FBI should act as some sort of metaphysical watchdog, standing over my shoulder as a filter for my words.

Some sort of Neo-McCarthyism at work perhaps?

Neocon, neo-mccarthy, same thing right?

[Heracles 417]

Wondering if the people on the ground see much difference between a terrorist attack and ‘collateral damage’…. Best intentions don’t really cut it if the result is the same… That’s part of the challenge of this sort of conflict IMO.

You can't completely eliminate civilian casualities during war, but they can and have been greatly reduced. The US is fighting this by the book. Geneva Conventions, LOAC, ROE. Do the insurgents follow even the most basic rules of warfare? Well, they don't even wear a uniform distinguishing themselves as combatants.

Back to the original discussion....

Does the destruction differ between a hellfire missile and a carbomb? No. But again, we are not directly targeting civilians, they are.

First of all the usa started an ILEGAL war or have you forgotten that, over lies proclaiming sadam Hussain had WMD's. The link to al queda was a lie too, infact sadam and Osama hated each other because sadam was too unislamic. It's because of the ILEGAL invasion that has caused the chaos and the civil war in that country. The child mortality rate is now as it was in the 60s due to the lack of medical care and babies are being born deformed because of the spread of Uranium from US weapons. So maybe not all bombs are hitting civillians but you sure the hell get the medal for the cause. Also it is not INSURGENTS that are fighting the US but the IRAQI people themselves are fighting to get you US out of their country. The massacre in Fallujah testified to that, they found only 120 foreign fighters out of the 50,000 that stayed in the city before the US flattened the whole city. US fighting this by the book is a joke, they are in an ILEGAL war according to the UN how can they be fighting by the book. Abu Gharaib was not by the book, Chemical weapons used in Fallujah with 50,000 civillians in there was not by the book, rapes of Iraqi girls is not by the book.

You destroyed a sovereign country, the people testify themselves they are worse off now then they ever were with Sadam. No running water, no electricity, no real medical care, the economy is destroyed, mortality rate for children is up. Is the world safer... give me a break, this done nothing but fueled Radical islam Alqueda is stronger because of the war in Iraq, they have more men and a more reason to take revenge on the US, you idiots played right in the hands of Osama, he couldnt have planned it any better.

You occupied a country with no plan, did you people pay no attention to history Algeria, vietnam, ireland... hellooooo, did you think you will go in there without the Iraqi people fighting back, you tried to take a land thats unpredictable and highly intolerant of americans and the more people you kill the more you will inspire!

The US has no where near enough men to take control of a country with 25 million people, standard militry doctrine will tell you that, you need half a million soldiers at least after 4 years you still only control 40% of Baghdad with the fighters just moving around when you move in their area. You take out lone gunmen with bombs from 40,000 feet, the US has never ever won a gorilla warfare and you just dont have the stomach for it. This will be another shameful defeat just like vietnam only this time they wont stop as you have inspired Al Queda with more men and more reason, you will get payback and you have put the world in a more dangerous place.

Illegal in which court? I never realized a country needs to get a court ruling to go to war.. Yes the intelligence turns out to be wrong. No one against the war hypothesized this from day one but was adamant that it is a war about oil period. While next to nothing has been made from the oil there the same people are coming up with other excuses. Then as that faded it was about Halliburton.

Is it the US's fault for the instability caused by the insurgents? Are American soldiers blowing up the utilities you mention on a daily basis?? Are American soldiers running into stores, schools, on buses etc and blowing themselves or their cars up?

I also like the Vietnam part. Geniuses like yourself protested 24/7 against that war. Only to turn around and say look at how it failed. They have been in Iraq for over 5 years so obviously they do have the stomach for it.

Edited September 13, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[BabyBlueSusie 1]

I started this thread. It's mine. Ya'll hear me? It's MINE! Now behave yo damn selves or I'll have it locked, ya'heard?

thanks for starting it, it has really allowed me to stop counting the minutes until i get my NOA2...oh god, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN??!?!

just kidding, i didnt really vomit, if that is any consolation

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i am very curious how USCIS,DHS & the FBI would view some of the post that have been made in this thread.

wow that made me want to vomit

you are proud that you live in a country where everything you say and do can be viewed by the government, does that make you feel safer from terrorists?

you are now implying that one should fear speaking out against government action...i thought that is supposed to be one of the rights we are proud to possess in this fine nation...am i mistaken?

Smoke20 doesn't believe in the freedom of speech if he doesn't agree with whats being spoken.

The idea that the authorities would be interested in a theoretical discussion is rather laughable. Pointing out the grey areas of urban warfare and different ideological perceptions pertaining to groups who practice guerila warfare hardly amounts to support for Bin Laden.

The FBI did go as far as to put informants in peace activists groups, so it wouldn't surprise me too much. But yes I doubt they would even see discussions on this board or care for that matter.

Well this is the same organisation that had files on Steve McQueen of all people.

Even so - I'm not sure why the FBI is being mentioned - except as a (rather poor) means to stifle certain aspects of the discussion through the use of fear. I'll be buggered if I'm going to worry about what I should say in public, as though the shadowy threat of the FBI should act as some sort of metaphysical watchdog, standing over my shoulder as a filter for my words.

Some sort of Neo-McCarthyism at work perhaps?

Neocon, neo-mccarthy, same thing right?

I think what we are seeing here is the inability of some people to see beyond their established ideological world view. People tend to react badly when the root foundation of their beliefs is being challenged. Perhaps not unsurprisingly you see the same thing with religious extremists (of all faiths).

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

thanks for starting it, it has really allowed me to stop counting the minutes until i get my NOA2...oh god, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN??!?!

OT is good at that