Newark Mayor: Sanctuary policies will not change - police department will not do the work of the INS

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If Newark police arrest a man and find out he has an outstanding warrant in another state, what do they do?

Ignore it, because they don't have jurisdiction?

Or do they do what law enforcement agencies across the world do - inform the other state that they have their man?

Point: Law enforcement agencies routinely feed each other information to aid others in their investigations. For some reason, Newark doesn't want its police to cooperate with ICE. Why?

At a guess - perhaps because the machinery of ICE wouldn't kick into gear within the time that the police could legally hold the guy.

Probably true. ICE is underfunded and understaffed. Yet, why not at least notify them so a paper trail exists?

Likely for the same reason you already gave - wouldn't be much point if the information is filed in a drawer where it will never be heard from again.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Maybe changing the status of being a sancuary city might help.

[Caladan 19]

If Newark police arrest a man and find out he has an outstanding warrant in another state, what do they do?

Ignore it, because they don't have jurisdiction?

Or do they do what law enforcement agencies across the world do - inform the other state that they have their man?

Point: Law enforcement agencies routinely feed each other information to aid others in their investigations. For some reason, Newark doesn't want its police to cooperate with ICE. Why?

The problem is that it's not like illegals or anyone has an outstanding warrant about their status. If we had that, then the cops would have a paper trail. But without it, how are they supposed to know whether they've just picked up an illegal, a tourist, or a legal resident? I don't think we want to be in a situation where the cops have to turn over everyone who doesn't 'look right' to ICE just in case they're illegal, because it isn't their job to be informed on the nuances of immigration law. Give the cops the ability to check and I'm fine with it, but I can see why the Newark cops don't want to make it their jobs (unfunded mandate) to determine someone's immigration status when they have no ability to do so.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Point: Law enforcement agencies routinely feed each other information to aid others in their investigations. For some reason, Newark doesn't want its police to cooperate with ICE. Why?

Why don't we turn this on its head: Has ICE asked Newark police to catch immigration violators for them? My guess would be no.

Its not like rounding up all the illegal immigrants in Newark is magically going to turn it into Care Bear land anyway.

[Dr_LHA 3]

The problem is that it's not like illegals or anyone has an outstanding warrant about their status. If we had that, then the cops would have a paper trail. But without it, how are they supposed to know whether they've just picked up an illegal, a tourist, or a legal resident? I don't think we want to be in a situation where the cops have to turn over everyone who doesn't 'look right' to ICE just in case they're illegal, because it isn't their job to be informed on the nuances of immigration law. Give the cops the ability to check and I'm fine with it, but I can see why the Newark cops don't want to make it their jobs (unfunded mandate) to determine someone's immigration status when they have no ability to do so.

Do we really want to live in a country where unqualified cops demand immigration paperwork off you because you look or sound funny? What if you forgot to have your Green Card on you that day, or as someone else said above, were in one of the many "grey" states that people going through AOS face?

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I agree that even if Newark managed to put every illegal behind bars, it wouldn't even make a dent on the predominantly African-American street gangs. And they're still the "big players" in Newark, MS13 and Latin Kings are relatively new with much smaller footprints.

[Caladan 19]

The problem is that it's not like illegals or anyone has an outstanding warrant about their status. If we had that, then the cops would have a paper trail. But without it, how are they supposed to know whether they've just picked up an illegal, a tourist, or a legal resident? I don't think we want to be in a situation where the cops have to turn over everyone who doesn't 'look right' to ICE just in case they're illegal, because it isn't their job to be informed on the nuances of immigration law. Give the cops the ability to check and I'm fine with it, but I can see why the Newark cops don't want to make it their jobs (unfunded mandate) to determine someone's immigration status when they have no ability to do so.

Do we really want to live in a country where unqualified cops demand immigration paperwork off you because you look or sound funny? What if you forgot to have your Green Card on you that day, or as someone else said above, were in one of the many "grey" states that people going through AOS face?

I'm already annoyed that chances are we won't be able to get C. a driver's license because his I-94 will have expired and the DMV's guidelines don't have a way to understand the grey period between an expired I94 from a K-1 entry and an official green card. (Ever try to register a car without a driver's license? Or get insurance? Or transfer the car to your wife's name? HEAD. WALL. BANG.) I'm somewhat irrationally terrified that he'll get stopped by some foot patrolmen or airport numnutz and the do-gooder will decide that he's illegal once the I-94 expires on August 23rd.

[Dan J 277]

Immigration enforcment is not in the jurisdiction of local or state governments. So no city or state government has the obligation to enforce laws they are not responsible for.

I'd say its more about available resources than anything else. Newark is notoriously crime ridden, and a disturbingly large proportion of it is firearm related. Hard to see to what extent illegal immigration fits into that mixture - but given the wider context its not hard to see why they couldn't do much of anything about it. Even if they did want to.

Exactly, the police have their job and thats what they have money and funds for. So unless we start funding police departments to do this, which means higher property taxes. Having them enforce laws that they have no jurisdiction over takes time away from their jobs, which is not immigration enforcement, and money from the department.

Local police could do enforcement, but are you willing to pay for it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Immigration enforcment is not in the jurisdiction of local or state governments. So no city or state government has the obligation to enforce laws they are not responsible for.

I'd say its more about available resources than anything else. Newark is notoriously crime ridden, and a disturbingly large proportion of it is firearm related. Hard to see to what extent illegal immigration fits into that mixture - but given the wider context its not hard to see why they couldn't do much of anything about it. Even if they did want to.

Exactly, the police have their job and thats what they have money and funds for. So unless we start funding police departments to do this, which means higher property taxes. Having them enforce laws that they have no jurisdiction over takes time away from their jobs, which is not immigration enforcement, and money from the department.

Local police could do enforcement, but are you willing to pay for it?

I agree with the previous posts - under the current structure its not really feasible to have cops do this. This automatically generates roars of outrage from people about so-called 'sanctuary cities', but do people honestly think that the structure is there that if we merely do away with the sanctuary status that this will somehow translate into direct action on the part of the cops? There's jurisdictional and legal issues here for the people doing that job, not to mention the question of how closely integrated these agencies are for them to actually do it.

Cops could do immigration enforcement, perhaps they should. But nothing will really happen without some sort of reform of the way various law enforcement agencies operate and interact.

I suspect the sanctuary status thing is much like, for example decriminalising cannabis. You realise its illegal, but you also realise its widespread. And in an area like Newark, where you have limited funding, time and manpower to tackle - say... gang crime - that you have no choice but to let certain 'lesser things' slide.

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Do we really want to live in a country where unqualified cops demand immigration paperwork off you because you look or sound funny? What if you forgot to have your Green Card on you that day, or as someone else said above, were in one of the many "grey" states that people going through AOS face?

Why should immigration papers be any harder to show than a licsence,registration or proof of insurance.

Copy of NOA2 would take care of your AOS question.

Excuses are why things arent getting done.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Do we really want to live in a country where unqualified cops demand immigration paperwork off you because you look or sound funny? What if you forgot to have your Green Card on you that day, or as someone else said above, were in one of the many "grey" states that people going through AOS face?

Why should immigration papers be any harder to show than a licsence,registration or proof of insurance.

Copy of NOA2 would take care of your AOS question.

Excuses are why things arent getting done.

Sure, if the cops are properly trained to understand what immigration paperwork means, and don't forget there are many more wide ranging immigration states than the narrow focus of this website. If you're happy to face higher taxes to pay for the training and the larger number of cops will that will be needed to enforce immigration laws as well as current policing then fair enough.

Sadly I don't believe the above will happen, if cops are made to enforce immigration it will be poorly implemented and we'll start seeing people thrown in jail because of not being able to "show the right papers" or simply out of ignorance on the part of the cops of the complex issues regarding immigration law.

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

Do we really want to live in a country where unqualified cops demand immigration paperwork off you because you look or sound funny? What if you forgot to have your Green Card on you that day, or as someone else said above, were in one of the many "grey" states that people going through AOS face?

Why should immigration papers be any harder to show than a licsence,registration or proof of insurance.

Copy of NOA2 would take care of your AOS question.

Excuses are why things arent getting done.

Sure, if the cops are properly trained to understand what immigration paperwork means, and don't forget there are many more wide ranging immigration states than the narrow focus of this website. If you're happy to face higher taxes to pay for the training and the larger number of cops will that will be needed to enforce immigration laws as well as current policing then fair enough.

Sadly I don't believe the above will happen, if cops are made to enforce immigration it will be poorly implemented and we'll start seeing people thrown in jail because of not being able to "show the right papers" or simply out of ignorance on the part of the cops of the complex issues regarding immigration law.

such does exist btw

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[Dr_LHA 3]

such does exist btw

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Yes, I'm aware this program exists. However how many of Newark's cops are you willing to take off the street to go attend the 5 week training course for this?

[Ban Hammer 14,569]

such does exist btw

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Yes, I'm aware this program exists. However how many of Newark's cops are you willing to take off the street to go attend the 5 week training course for this?

it's not my place to decide that.......i'm not even a nj resident (thank god).