"Our insistence to lock Palestinians in camps ... is far worse a crime than Israel stealing land" : Asharq Alawsat (Arab media, not Zionist)

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Regarded by some as a temporary issue, the tragedy of the Palestinians is rarely presented to the Arab and international public opinion through the media or during political occasions. Even some Arabs and Palestinians intentionally turn a blind eye to the issue so as not to expose abuses. What is happening in Lebanon's Nahr al Bared camp today is just one such example where battles have raised an overwhelming number of questions: who are these people? How long have they lived in the camp and how? What are their rights? The answers can be found on the UNRWA's website. Tens of thousands of people crammed in undignified houses, where many of them were born and have lived for five decades.

Some Arab countries “hosting” refugees ban them from leaving [camps], from occupying a large number of positions and deny them any other legal rights. Some of them have to jump over walls and sneak out to complete their chores or to breathe and experience the outside world. One can imagine these randomly and poorly built houses during the winter chill and sweltering heat of the summer among the sewage and insufficient services. It is a shame. How can we talk about the liberation of Palestine, which we simply associate with stolen land, a desecrated mosque and a powerful enemy, while we do not allow Palestinians to settle down, earn a living or travel like all other human beings?

Our insistence to lock the Palestinians in camps and treat them like animals in the name of preserving the issue is far worse a crime than Israel stealing land and causing the displacement of people.[/b. The 60 year-old camps only signify our inhumanity and double standards. Israel can claim that it treats the Palestinians better than their Arab brothers do. It gives citizenship to the Palestinians of 1948 as well as the right to work and the right to lead a somewhat normal life, although they are treated as second-class citizens.

In Nahr al Bared and other camps, however, they are neither citizens nor humans based on weak pretexts. I cannot believe Lebanese allegations that state that they have been confining the Palestinians, being Sunnis, to camps so as not to disturb the demographic balance between the Shia and Christians. It is a ridiculous excuse that even Israel would not try to use. No one is asking for citizenship or permanent settlement for them—only permission to live like any other foreigner. Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Finally, we have to be true to ourselves and ask whether the way of life of these one million people is fair.

http://www.asharqalawsat.com/english/news....n=2&id=9216

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

[GaryC 7]

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

Go play in traffic little nitwit!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

Go play in traffic little nitwit!

Actually that was a valid point. Blame is a little strong IMO - but certainly our involvement is a part of the picture.

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

Go play in traffic little nitwit!

Actually that was a valid point. Blame is a little strong IMO - but certainly our involvement is a part of the picture.

Yup. We are at least partly responsible for the instability of the middle east today. And we have done alot in recent years to make worse, and not much to make it better.

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

Go play in traffic little nitwit!

Actually that was a valid point. Blame is a little strong IMO - but certainly our involvement is a part of the picture.

Elitist Arab contempt towards those poor displaced refugees is a much bigger part of the picture, IMO.

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

The original monarchies of Saudi Arabia and Jordan were installed by UK (not US) after WW1. The rest of the Arab world's governments can be called "self-installed" (read "got in by coup d'etat") except for Lebanon (puppet of Syria, a "self-install").

It was the ARAB governments who created the refugee camps and decided not to ever extend citizenship--so as they would always have a population to foster resentment in.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

More evidence (to those "born yesterday" only) that you are a chopfrack (everyone else on the board knew it already)!

Salafist/Wahabist extremism started during Ottoman times, preceding UK (let alone US) involvement.

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Elitist Arab contempt towards those poor displaced refugees is a much bigger part of the picture, IMO.

My understanding is that they want to keep them in refugee camps as a bargaining chip against Israel.

"Poor Palestinians living in refugee camps because Big Bad Israel won't give them any land."

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

The original monarchies of Saudi Arabia and Jordan were installed by UK (not US) after WW1. The rest of the Arab world's governments can be called "self-installed" (read "got in by coup d'etat") except for Lebanon (puppet of Syria, a "self-install").

It was the ARAB governments who created the refugee camps and decided not to ever extend citizenship--so as they would always have a population to foster resentment in.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

More evidence (to those "born yesterday" only) that you are a chopfrack (everyone else on the board knew it already)!

Salafist/Wahabist extremism started during Ottoman times, preceding UK (let alone US) involvement.

Pwned?

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Elitist Arab contempt towards those poor displaced refugees is a much bigger part of the picture, IMO.

My understanding is that they want to keep them in refugee camps as a bargaining chip against Israel.

"Poor Palestinians living in refugee camps because Big Bad Israel won't give them any land."

Not exactly accurate. They do want to use the picture of "they suffer because Israel exists", but they don't actually want a "Palestinian Nation" as they may actually have to answer to the people for their own misrule!

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Not exactly accurate. They do want to use the picture of "they suffer because Israel exists", but they don't actually want a "Palestinian Nation" as they may actually have to answer to the people for their own misrule!

Fighting is the only thing they know how to do. If they actually got a state, all those

militants in power would suddenly find themselves out of a job. Not that it's ever a

problem for them - they can always find something else to be "outraged" about.

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Fighting is the only thing they know how to do. If they actually got a state, all those

militants in power would suddenly find themselves out of a job. Not that it's ever a

problem for them - they can always find something else to be "outraged" about.

Yep..... I can see it already: "The sun is too yellow; it offends us! It is the West's fault! Death to the USA and Israel!"

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Fighting is the only thing they know how to do. If they actually got a state, all those militants in power would suddenly find themselves out of a job. Not that it's ever a problem for them - they can always find something else to be "outraged" about.

As the militants base their entire raison-d'etre on hatred, they would not be out-of-work after establishing a state, anymore than Naxalite movements would. They would simply become the enforcers and continue their killing.

(my statement on Naxalites has been proven already by the reigns of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot--and the analogy with Islamic militants also works has been proven by Taliban, Darfur situation and current Hamas).

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Blame lies with the Arab League and Arab governments that took part in or kept silent about this moral scandal. Rather than seeking to help them or provide for their demands, they preoccupy Arab public opinion with conferences and hollow rhetoric on the issue and on refugees.

Many of those governments in the Arab league have been installed by the united states and are allowed to exist. Ergo, by association, the blame should be cast upon the united states and the Zionists in Israel.

And now, thanks to american aggression with arming israel, blocking U.N. resolutions, you have given birth to extremism in the form of Hamas, and now the Palestinians are even further away from statehood. What a disaster.

Wow, that didn't take long to blame the US!

One of the big problems in this whole thing, IMHO, is everyone is looking out for their own self interests and not trying to do the right thing. Israel, the Palestinians, their Arab neighbors are more interested in getting what they can out of the situation and not in doing what's right. The author of the original piece rightfully points out how Arab self-interests have made Palestinians suffer.