Immigration issues make work harder to find, some say

[doc_cute 0]

where im working right now.. people are scared too, cuz supposedly they're gonna fire 900 employees, latinos with fake papers... man that plant's gonna suffer... but the law is the law..

You're right; the law is the law, and they shouldn't have hired illegals in the first place.

No sympathy.

thats true

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

where im working right now.. people are scared too, cuz supposedly they're gonna fire 900 employees, latinos with fake papers... man that plant's gonna suffer... but the law is the law..

You're right; the law is the law, and they shouldn't have hired illegals in the first place.

No sympathy.

actually they have a pretty fancy software that is linked to DHS, so they know if the SS# or Green card is legit, there's no 4-5 day background check, it shows immediatly if the papers are real or fake.. now the thing is that if that legit ID is exactly theirs... so, that company did everything by the book..

So all the folks that are about to let go cause they're illegal (was it 900?) have legal twin brothers or sisters whose legit ID they've used? Or do they have legit ID's of some sort w/o pictures? I ain't buying this story.

no no, i'm not saying they are legal here, of course htey are illegals who bought the papers from some hobo or something (actually there's a puerto rican mafia in NY who does that, buys id's from hobos on the street and re-sells them)..

the thing is, the system will say if the number 123-45-0000 from John Perez does not really exist in the system, but if some dude got an ID from john doe and put his picture there, and the number is real, it won't tell if it's stolen or not, just that it's real..

That's ID theft, then. I wouldn't call those ID's legit.

This also counters the so often pushed pro-illegal argument that they're no criminals. As you can see and as you admit, they most certainly are. ID theft is not a misdemeanor.

Edited June 4, 2007 by ET-US2004

[vamos 0]

where im working right now.. people are scared too, cuz supposedly they're gonna fire 900 employees, latinos with fake papers... man that plant's gonna suffer... but the law is the law..

You're right; the law is the law, and they shouldn't have hired illegals in the first place.

No sympathy.

actually they have a pretty fancy software that is linked to DHS, so they know if the SS# or Green card is legit, there's no 4-5 day background check, it shows immediatly if the papers are real or fake.. now thething is that if that legit ID is exactly theirs... so, that company did everything by the book..

So I guess someone's been stealing IDs.

#### those illegal fence jumpers. #### them hard. :angry: :angry: :angry:

What a disgraceful thing to say.

What's fuelling your hate? The South-West of the U.S.A has been and continues to be built for practically nothing by immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries. These people cross the border not out of greed but necessity; to feed their families. I wonder if you've even considered the deprivation behind a decision to put your life in danger to reach a place where you may be able to obtain a measly wage in construction or restaurant work. ###### these people? I don't think so... help these people! It's extremely easy for people from affluent backgrounds to chastise over this issue, you'll never be in their position so why should you see them as anything else but a nuisance?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The South-West of the U.S.A has been and continues to be built for practically nothing by immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries.

I wouldn't exactly call upwards of 10,000,000,000.00 per annum (which is on top of the fairly decent and far above minimum wage level wages they earn) "nothing".

If that's nothing to you, please send me nothing. I'd have good use for it.

Edited June 4, 2007 by ET-US2004

[vamos 0]

But you don't dispute that it has been built by migrant workers. Also, how many millions of people is that split between.

Edited June 4, 2007 by vamos

[pedroh 21]

where im working right now.. people are scared too, cuz supposedly they're gonna fire 900 employees, latinos with fake papers... man that plant's gonna suffer... but the law is the law..

You're right; the law is the law, and they shouldn't have hired illegals in the first place.

No sympathy.

actually they have a pretty fancy software that is linked to DHS, so they know if the SS# or Green card is legit, there's no 4-5 day background check, it shows immediatly if the papers are real or fake.. now the thing is that if that legit ID is exactly theirs... so, that company did everything by the book..

So all the folks that are about to let go cause they're illegal (was it 900?) have legal twin brothers or sisters whose legit ID they've used? Or do they have legit ID's of some sort w/o pictures? I ain't buying this story.

no no, i'm not saying they are legal here, of course htey are illegals who bought the papers from some hobo or something (actually there's a puerto rican mafia in NY who does that, buys id's from hobos on the street and re-sells them)..

the thing is, the system will say if the number 123-45-0000 from John Perez does not really exist in the system, but if some dude got an ID from john doe and put his picture there, and the number is real, it won't tell if it's stolen or not, just that it's real..

That's ID theft, then. I wouldn't call those ID's legit.

This also counters the so often pushed pro-illegal argument that they're no criminals. As you can see and as you admit, they most certainly are. ID theft is not a misdemeanor.

hey what if someone wants to sell his id? that's not id theft.. if it's bought from a bum..

but anyway, that's not my point.. well, actually i had no point at all, just sayin bout the possible firing of these people, at least is not gonna be an ICE raid..

[pedroh 21]

and I agree with Vamos, these people work 70-80 hours a week in the plant, sending most of hte money back to their countries, they really don't have time to 'steal, rape or kill' USC's... it's sad that they won't be able to feed their families back in their countries..

[peejay 327]

But you don't dispute that it has been built by migrant workers. Also, how many millions of people is that split between.

Considering that illegal aliens are reported to make up about 5% of the workforce and America is roughly 80%+ native born, you seem to neglect the fact that America is overwhelmingly built by Americans themselves.

I won't go so far as saying #### illegal aliens, but they have no right to break into our country and break numerous laws while they are here. Mexicans don't allow that nonsense in their own country, so why should we tolerate it in America?

Mexicans aren't the only ones, but they are the biggest offenders and a lion's share of illegal immigration from all over the world originates from Mexico.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But you don't dispute that it has been built by migrant workers. Also, how many millions of people is that split between.

Actually, I do. Upwards of 80-85% of construction workers are Americans and legal immigrants. Look it up.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

where im working right now.. people are scared too, cuz supposedly they're gonna fire 900 employees, latinos with fake papers... man that plant's gonna suffer... but the law is the law..

You're right; the law is the law, and they shouldn't have hired illegals in the first place.

No sympathy.

actually they have a pretty fancy software that is linked to DHS, so they know if the SS# or Green card is legit, there's no 4-5 day background check, it shows immediatly if the papers are real or fake.. now the thing is that if that legit ID is exactly theirs... so, that company did everything by the book..

So all the folks that are about to let go cause they're illegal (was it 900?) have legal twin brothers or sisters whose legit ID they've used? Or do they have legit ID's of some sort w/o pictures? I ain't buying this story.

no no, i'm not saying they are legal here, of course htey are illegals who bought the papers from some hobo or something (actually there's a puerto rican mafia in NY who does that, buys id's from hobos on the street and re-sells them)..

the thing is, the system will say if the number 123-45-0000 from John Perez does not really exist in the system, but if some dude got an ID from john doe and put his picture there, and the number is real, it won't tell if it's stolen or not, just that it's real..

That's ID theft, then. I wouldn't call those ID's legit.

This also counters the so often pushed pro-illegal argument that they're no criminals. As you can see and as you admit, they most certainly are. ID theft is not a misdemeanor.

hey what if someone wants to sell his id? that's not id theft.. if it's bought from a bum..

An ID is not a commodity one can legally purchase. Come on, you know that. Besides, the ID's are typically bought from criminal ID dealing rings who typically do not purchase them from bums.

[vamos 0]

You're the one with the figures, post a link and I said "immigrants" not "illegal immigrants".

Edited June 4, 2007 by vamos

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You're the one with the figures, post a link.

If you want to dispute the figures, I invite you to do so. I got mine from the Pew Hispanic Center.

[vamos 0]

I have no desire to do so but a link would be nice.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I have no desire to do so but a link would be nice.

So then you accept the fact that, contrary to your claim, the vast majority of construction in this country is and has been done by Americans and those aliens which are legally here and employed.

[vamos 0]

I have no desire to do so but a link would be nice.

So then you accept the fact that, contrary to your claim, the vast majority of construction in this country is and has been done by Americans and those aliens which are legally here and employed.

Hmmm, strange how you came to that conclusion. I said I have no desire to debate the figures with you but since you have a source why don't you post a link to the relevant information? When citing a quote you wouldn't just provide the book it's from, you'd provide the page number also.

My reason for posting was that I took umbrage at such hateful remarks being made about people, the majority of whom, are forced into these situations in an effort to survive. I admit that it would've been better to obtain figures first of all before making grandiose claims. However, it's interesting that you chose to pick on that part of my argument rather than answer the sentiment behind it.

Edited June 4, 2007 by vamos