TX Gov. Perry: Allow concealed handguns everywhere.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

IMO if guns were more common in society and allowed in places they are currently prohibited more people would be killed than saved.

Maybe, maybe not.

Well, seeing the number of gun-related deaths in comparable countries with very limited access to guns in relation to the daily slaughterfest that goes on all over the US where every moron and his uncle can carry have a piece kind of supports the notion that more guns will translate into more deaths.

excuse you? every moron and his uncle? are you attempting to paint cch holders in a negative light?

Where did I suggest that?

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need i add that cch holders are carrying a piece?

Getting hung up on words? Okay, so I changed it.

i just find it strange that you and erekose are both smart individuals yet both of you are making such broadbrush statements. such inaccuracy on the part of both of you is most unusual. furthermore, as a gun owner i don't take kindly to such statements or insinuations about my mental health.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i just find it strange that you and erekose are both smart individuals yet both of you are making such broadbrush statements. such inaccuracy on the part of both of you is most unusual. furthermore, as a gun owner i don't take kindly to such statements or insinuations about my mental health.

I don't believe I made any "statements or insinuations" about your mental health.

[Jenn! 918]

Every moron and his uncle can also get a driver's license. Does that imply that everyone with a driver's license is a moron?

Edited May 3, 2007 by jenn3539

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

Every moron and his uncle can also get a driver's license. Does that imply that everyone with a driver's license is a moron?

if you wish to paint yourself with that brush, feel free. i on the other hand am offended when someone makes a statement like that.

[Alex+R 0]

Every moron and his uncle can also get a driver's license. Does that imply that everyone with a driver's license is a moron?

if you wish to paint yourself with that brush, feel free. i on the other hand am offended when someone makes a statement like that.

?? Charles did you read what she said?

eta: yes I know you read what she said. But why would you be offended in the first place? I'm just confused.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Alex+R

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

Every moron and his uncle can also get a driver's license. Does that imply that everyone with a driver's license is a moron?

if you wish to paint yourself with that brush, feel free. i on the other hand am offended when someone makes a statement like that.

?? Charles did you read what she said?

eta: yes I know you read what she said. But why would you be offended in the first place? I'm just confused.

if i said every moron and their brother dislikes president bush, wouldn't you be offended?

it's a sly way of painting a person in a negative light, getting a dig at them. why say something like that at all unless it's aimed at someone specifically? or are such broadbrush statements acceptable since the original one that started this won't ever apply to you?

[Jenn! 918]

He said "every moron and his uncle can carry a piece", meaning that there are few restrictions on who can own a gun.

That is not equal to the statement "every moron and his uncle carries a piece".

[Alex+R 0]

Every moron and his uncle can also get a driver's license. Does that imply that everyone with a driver's license is a moron?

if you wish to paint yourself with that brush, feel free. i on the other hand am offended when someone makes a statement like that.

?? Charles did you read what she said?

eta: yes I know you read what she said. But why would you be offended in the first place? I'm just confused.

if i said every moron and their brother dislikes president bush, wouldn't you be offended?

it's a sly way of painting a person in a negative light, getting a dig at them. why say something like that at all unless it's aimed at someone specifically? or are such broadbrush statements acceptable since the original one that started this won't ever apply to you?

That's not the same as saying "every moron and their brother CAN form a negative opinion about Bush" which is actually the comparable statement. Your comparison doesn't parallel the other one.

[slim 1,533]

I could care less whether someone wants to paint me as a moron.

But, if someone's going to attack me or attack a non-gun owner, we'll see who's the moron when it's over.

Gun-owner 1, attacker 0

Attacker 1, non-gun owner 0

Pretty simple, huh?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

if i said every moron and their brother dislikes president bush, wouldn't you be offended?

it's a sly way of painting a person in a negative light, getting a dig at them. why say something like that at all unless it's aimed at someone specifically? or are such broadbrush statements acceptable since the original one that started this won't ever apply to you?

You're reading more into it as there is. Especially as the point has been clarified. Unless you want to call me & ET liars of course...

Edited May 3, 2007 by erekose

[slim 1,533]

We now have 5 pages of guns/no guns, and 4 pages or "did you call me a moron?"

POPCORN ALERT!!!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

i just find it strange that you and erekose are both smart individuals yet both of you are making such broadbrush statements. such inaccuracy on the part of both of you is most unusual. furthermore, as a gun owner i don't take kindly to such statements or insinuations about my mental health.

I don't believe I made any "statements or insinuations" about your mental health.

Neither have I.

He said "every moron and his uncle can carry a piece", meaning that there are few restrictions on who can own a gun.

That is not equal to the statement "every moron and his uncle carries a piece".

Exactly!

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

if i said every moron and their brother dislikes president bush, wouldn't you be offended?

it's a sly way of painting a person in a negative light, getting a dig at them. why say something like that at all unless it's aimed at someone specifically? or are such broadbrush statements acceptable since the original one that started this won't ever apply to you?

You're reading more into it as there is. Especially as the point has been clarified. Unless you want to call me & ET liars of course...

maybe, maybe not. but i know both of you can be more accurate than that in your wording.

[patiently_waiting 0]

Perry: Banning pistols isn't the answer

Governor says licensees should be free to take them anywhere for protection

By CLAY ROBISON

2007 Houston Chronicle Austin Bureau

AUSTIN — Gov. Rick Perry said Monday that Texans who are legally licensed should be able to carry their concealed handguns anywhere, including churches, bars, courthouses and college campuses.

"I think it makes sense for Texans to be able to protect themselves from deranged individuals, whether they're in church, or whether on a college campus or wherever they are," he said.

"The idea that you're going to exempt them from a particular place is nonsense to me."

Perry commented to reporters after he and U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt had met privately with educators, mental health experts and law enforcement officials to discuss the recent shootings at Virginia Tech University. Leavitt and other Cabinet officials are traveling around the country to discuss school and community safety practices in preparation for a report to President Bush.

The governor's remarks aren't likely to result in widespread changes in Texas gun laws, particularly this late in a legislative session that must adjourn by May 28.

But the comments elicited sharp responses, and Perry's stance puts him at odds with a major political ally, the Texas Association of Business, over the right of employers to continue to ban firearms from their property.

"We're not in the Wild West anymore," Tommie Garza of Houston, executive director of Texans for Gun Safety, said of the governor's idea. "It doesn't seem like the sensible thing to do."

Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, who sponsored the concealed handgun law as a state senator in 1995, said he agreed with Perry that "we need more guns in schools in the hands of responsible people."

But he drew the line at allowing guns in bars. "People get drunk there, and their aim is not as good," he said.

Current law prohibits the carrying of firearms, even by handgun licensees, into bars, schools, most areas of college campuses and courthouses. Churches can ban them, and governmental bodies can prohibit licensees from carrying pistols into public meetings.

Companies also can prohibit their employees from carrying weapons onto their property. The Senate has approved a bill to allow handgun licensees to leave their weapons in their cars on company parking lots, but the TAB and many employers are trying to kill that legislation in the House.

Asked about carrying a pistol into a bar, Perry said, "I think that a person ought to be able to carry that weapon if they are legally licensed to."

The governor responded less clearly when asked whether Texas should submit mental health information on some individuals to a national database used for background checks.

Seung-Hui Cho, the shooter who killed 32 people and himself at Virginia Tech on April 16, had purchased two handguns, despite having been declared mentally ill.

Senate Bill 1755 by Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, which hasn't yet been heard by a Senate committee, would cover people who have received court-ordered inpatient mental health services or who have been declared mentally incapacitated. But it wouldn't apply to people like Cho, who was a mental health outpatient.

There are privacy requirements under federal law that must be considered, Perry said.

Austin Bureau reporter Peggy Fikac contributed to this story.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4763469.html

Forgive me for not reading all the posts. As a law enforcement officer I must say that I am apalled. (sp) Last thing I want is to have to be concerned about is if the person I am having contact with, or their family members that are present, having a concealed weapon. That could cost me my life. Not to mention that it would allow people who want to be "cops" to carry guns and who knows what they may actually do. This guys is nuts! I don't know what he is smoking, but it has really clouded his judgement. So many lives would be put at risk. How many poeple would mistakenly be given permits that shouldn't have? We already know that the system for gun permit checks doesn't work or VA Tech wouldn't have happened. This really blows my mind.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

maybe, maybe not. but i know both of you can be more accurate than that in your wording.

That's as maybe. But I think the point was clear enough without getting hung up on semantics and broad-brush assumptions.

Saying that all gun owners are stupid/insane isn't exactly a statement I'm likely to make - reasonably speaking...