New accuser steps forward in Roy Moore case-live updates

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Moore is toast . he will not be on the ballot on election day. Hr looks like a creep. Never have liked him. I think for a sitting judge to defy a fed court order, because he does not agree with it should have been the first clue. I wonder how he would have acted had someone defied his court orders. 

 

He looks like a perv.. Alleged Perv. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_river_home

 

 

Gadsden locals say Moore's predatory behavior at mall, restaurants, not a secret

 

By Anna Claire Vollers

avollers@al.com

Roy Moore's penchant for flirting with teen girls was "common knowledge" and "not a big secret" around Gadsden, according to some area residents.

The Senate candidate has denied any wrongdoing in the wake of a report from The Washington Post in which four women accused Moore of inappropriate advances - and in one instance, a sexual encounter - toward them when they were teens and he was in his early 30s.

One of the four women claims she was 14 at the time, making her the only one whose claim would represent a legal violation. Moore has said he never met her. A fifth woman came forward this afternoon.

Moore and other Republican leaders have questioned why it took so long for his accusers, now in their 50s, to come forward publicly.

And yet people who lived in Etowah County during that time have said Moore's flirting with and dating much younger women and girls was no secret.

"These stories have been going around this town for 30 years," said Blake Usry, who grew up in the area and lives in Gadsden. "Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet."

Usry, a traveling nurse, said he knew several of the girls that Moore tried to flirt with.

"It's not a big secret in this town about Roy Moore," he said. "That's why it's sort of frustrating to watch" the public disbelieve the women who have come forward, he said.

The Mall

Colleagues and others who knew Moore told the Washington Post that he often walked alone around the Gadsden Mall.

The mall opened to great fanfare in 1974, anchored by department stores like Pizitz, Belk Hudson and Sears. It had a movie theater, lounge, drug store and restaurants including Morrison's Cafeteria.

It soon became a popular local hangout, especially for teenagers.

Wendy Miller told The Post that she was 14 and working as Santa's helper at the Gadsden Mall in 1977 when Moore first spoke with her and told her she looked pretty. Two years later, when she was 16, he asked her out on dates, although her mother wouldn't let her go.

Usry, who was a teenager at the time, remembers seeing Moore at the mall often.

"He would go and flirt with all the young girls," he said. "It'd seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you'd see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did."

'Common knowledge'

Five other current and former Etowah County residents also spoke to AL.com with similar accounts.

"Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school," said Sheryl Porter. "In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret.

"It's just sad how these girls (who accused Moore) are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh (Corfman)."

On Monday, Beverly Young Nelson became the fifth accuser to come forward against Moore. During a press conference, she said she was a 16-year-old waitress at the Old Hickory House restaurant in Gadsden when Moore sexually assaulted her in his car. He was in his early 30s at the time, she said, and the district attorney of Etowah County.

Another former waitress, Victoria Beverstock, told AL.com today that she was 20 years old and working at The Poor House restaurant in 1992 when Moore came in a few times a week to eat and do paperwork.

She said he made her and the other waitresses uncomfortable by staring at them and flirting.

"He watched us girls quite openly," said Beverstock. "His eyes crawled over our shirts and our backsides. He was so open about it that I would try and handle his order as quickly as possible.

"When you didn't smile and flirt back with him, give him an opening, he became rude and demanding," she said.

Teresa Jones, who said she worked at the Etowah County District Attorney's Office with Moore, took to Twitter on Friday to say it was "common knowledge" that he pursued teenage girls.

"As a Deputy DA in Gadsden when Roy Moore was there, it was common knowledge about Roy's propensity for teenage girls," she tweeted. "I'm appalled that these women are being skewered for the truth."

She later told CNN that Moore often went to local high school events and other hangouts: "It was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls, everyone we knew thought it was weird...We wondered why someone his age would hang out at high school football games and the mall."

Tony Hathcock is a photographer in Gadsden who told CBS News that he's known Corfman well for five years and believes her. They are both very conservative Republican voters, he said, and both voted for Trump. He said she had nothing to gain from speaking out, but felt safe speaking out now because her children are now adults.

 

[Jacque67 7,328]

Lindsey Graham joins #NoMoore crowd. Cruz hanging on for now...

[Jacque67 7,328]

NEW - Roy Moore responds to Beverly Young Nelson's accusations of sexual assault: "absolutely false. I never did what she said I did, I don't know the woman, I don't know anything about her, I don't know where the restaurant is or was"

12 minutes ago

Richard Madan

[Jacque67 7,328]

Wow, not a very convincing liar. Guess he's only used to dealing with teens.

moore denies knowing restaurant/woman whose yrbk he signed w/ name of restaurant. 

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Jacque67 said:

Wow, not a very convincing liar. Guess he's only used to dealing with teens.

moore denies knowing restaurant/woman whose yrbk he signed w/ name of restaurant. 

 

There are probably so many victims, he can't possibly remember all of them by name. After a while they must all run together. 

[Jacque67 7,328]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

There are probably so many victims, he can't possibly remember all of them by name. After a while they must all run together. 

He should have just said he used to hang out at the restaurant and she was just one of the waitresses there. Complete denial isn't going to work. As smart as Don Jr.!

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, Jacque67 said:

Interesting article on fundamentalist culture where some Christian men date teens

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/11/13/roy-moore-allegations-prompt-reflections-on-fundamentalist-culture-in-which-some-christian-men-date-teens/

 

the coastal elites spoil everything!

 

 

Ah, yes. I am sure that's what Jesus would have done, had he lived longer.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Just to be clear. If the choice is between Roy Moore and a Democrat, I would run to the polling place to vote for the Democrat www.washingtonexamin…

39 minutes ago

Jeff Flake

[Jacque67 7,328]

Today's allegation against Moore is alleged to have happened in 1977. Leigh Corfman says he assaulted her in 1979. Around that same time two challenges to his law license were filed w the bar and dismissed. In 1982, Moore left town for Texas then Australia.

4 minutes ago

chris hayes

[CaliCat 3,957]

Even Muddy Mitch has asked for Moore to bow out.

 

 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

34 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

Even Muddy Mitch has asked for Moore to bow out.

 

 

[CaliCat 3,957]

14 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Every last one huh? Do you know every Christian in the US. I know a lot of very decent moral people that have a deep faith, and many that talk the talk but don't walk the walk. I am not a  religious person but that was a very encompassing statement you made there that encompass a very broad demographic .

 

I wonder how high the MDL would jump if I said something dumb like, every single Muslim is a terrorist at root, which is of course absurd. 

 

You'd have to ask them directly. I am sure, that you know every MDL in the US, otherwise you'd neve make a comment that encompasses a very wide demographic.

 

 

[yuna628 9,547]

I'd encourage a read of this article. The individual who wrote it and sources quoted on the subject I have great respect for. http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

 

21 minutes ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Every last one huh? Do you know every Christian in the US. I know a lot of very decent moral people that have a deep faith, and many that talk the talk but don't walk the walk. I am not a  religious person but that was a very encompassing statement you made there that encompass a very broad demographic .

 

I wonder how high the MDL would jump if I said something dumb like, every single Muslim is a terrorist at root, which is of course absurd. 

It's never wise to paint with a broad brush an entire people. Something that is seemingly done all the time on this forum though; your use of the term MDL may even encompass it as a perfect example.

 

Nevertheless the term 'bible thumper' was used, in pointing out that it is often the person who 'thumps' the loudest so to speak, is often the most guilty hypocrite. As a person of faith, I took no offense to it, and most of us who have escaped such circles understand what is meant by the term. However, the church has a problem. A very deep problem that has been festering, and corrupting it from within. 'Christians' sit by in apathy and continue the status quo, and continue to remain sheep in the face of lies. Look at the polls in Alabama among such of these individuals and how happy they still are to vote for the man. That is the corruption of the soul. The very antithesis of the destruction of their faith they claim to love. Jesus stormed into the temple and tossed out those dishonoring Jewish law and the faith. Who among so-called evangelicals are prepared to do the same? It is no different within the Catholic church, where such fights have been waged for years. There is too much money to be made on sheep, and a high price to paid for silence over corruption, sex, abuse, and lies. If one talks the talk but does not walk the walk, where is there decent morality? Faith without works is dead. False works and fake faith is also dead.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

2 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

I'd encourage a read of this article. The individual who wrote it and sources quoted on the subject I have great respect for. http://beta.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-brightbill-roy-moore-evangelical-culture-20171110-story.html

 

It's never wise to paint with a broad brush an entire people. Something that is seemingly done all the time on this forum though; your use of the term MDL may even encompass it as a perfect example.

 

Nevertheless the term 'bible thumper' was used, in pointing out that it is often the person who 'thumps' the loudest so to speak, is often the most guilty hypocrite. As a person of faith, I took no offense to it, and most of us who have escaped such circles understand what is meant by the term. However, the church has a problem. A very deep problem that has been festering, and corrupting it from within. 'Christians' sit by in apathy and continue the status quo, and continue to remain sheep in the face of lies. Look at the polls in Alabama among such of these individuals and how happy they still are to vote for the man. That is the corruption of the soul. The very antithesis of the destruction of their faith they claim to love. Jesus stormed into the temple and tossed out those dishonoring Jewish law and the faith. Who among so-called evangelicals are prepared to do the same? It is no different within the Catholic church, where such fights have been waged for years. There is too much money to be made on sheep, and a high price to paid for silence over corruption, sex, abuse, and lies. If one talks the talk but does not walk the walk, where is there decent morality? Faith without works is dead. False works and fake faith is also dead.

How do you know what was meant, you weren't the poster