Should immigration be legalised and faster to stop illegal immigration ?

[JohnK 0]

Simple. By making racism a punishable crime. Be it to someone black, white, asian, alien etc..

You're right! That is SOOOO simple!

That's why it wprked for murder, theft, and "ahem" illegal immigration! Thanks so much for pointing out the simple solution to all of societies problems.

[Dr_LHA 3]

Simple. By making racism a punishable crime. Be it to someone black, white, asian, alien etc..

You're right! That is SOOOO simple!

That's why it wprked for murder, theft, and "ahem" illegal immigration! Thanks so much for pointing out the simple solution to all of societies problems.

[lucyrich 20]

Making racism illegal works overseas.

How? There's no racism overseas?

The ONLY speech which requires constitutional protection is offensive speech. Speech which offends nobody is safe to utter even in the most repressive totalitarian state. I support free speech, knowing, in fact relishing, the fact that it includes the right of people to espouse very offensive ideas, even racism.

If we make it illegal to, for example, claim that group A is racially inferior to group B, then we also remove the opportunity to rebut such claims in open debate in the free marketplace of ideas and facts. If everybody knows it's illegal to claim group A is racially inferior to group B, then the absence of credible claims is not evidence of racial equality, but is evidence of effective government censorship. And people will secretly whisper, "Why is it that group A needs a law to keep people from pointing out their inferiority"?

No, I'd rather let the bigots identify themselves publically, so that their ideas can be shot down equally publically.

[Peikko 1,575]

[mybackpages 0]

Unfortunately the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that free speech is limited despite the absolute wording in the first amendment.

Can you think of any specific cases? I'm geniunely interested here, I did a quick search and I could find cases of the opposite where the Supreme Court upheld free speech rights, for example the Supreme Court ruling that the KKK could sponsor a highway cleanup sign!

Schenk v. US (1919) is the first speech case where the Court ruled speech is not absolute. This is established the clear and present danger doctrine (Can;t yell fire in a crowded theater). it was extended by Dennis v. US (1951). And again modified with Brandenberg v. Ohio (a loosening of the previous cases, but still allowing restriction). Roth v. US and Miller v California both agree that obsenity is not protected speech.

There are many cases that do uphold speech (Tinker v. DesMoines, Cohen V California, Texas v Johnson) but these rulings keep the original intent of the court that speech is not absolute.

Justice Hugo Black was on the Court from 1937 to 1971 (i think) and he was the staunchest advocate of an absolute stand on free speech. "Congress shal pass no law" meant Congress can pass NO law, but he was in the minority among justices.

Edited April 10, 2007 by mybackpages

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

What's with the linking of racism and illegal immigration? More liberal guilt? Immigrants can be any race. When I look at people I don't see race. I wish liberals would step up and do the same.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

-you know who

[Alex+R 0]

What's with the linking of racism and illegal immigration? More liberal guilt? Immigrants can be any race. When I look at people I don't see race. I wish liberals would step up and do the same.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

-you know who

Hehehe reminds me of the Colbert Report.

[Dr_LHA 3]

What's with the linking of racism and illegal immigration?

No its called an evolution of a thread. I know you probably don't believe in evolution, but sometimes threads change from their original topic to something else. Ever had a conversation for more than 30 mins? Notice how the topic tends to not be about the same thing?

If you read this thread you'll see that nobody actually made any link between racism and immigration.

More liberal guilt? Immigrants can be any race. When I look at people I don't see race. I wish liberals would step up and do the same.

HA! I get it now. You're doing an impression of Stephen Colbert right? Good one.

Edited April 10, 2007 by Dr_LHA

[mybackpages 0]

What's with the linking of racism and illegal immigration? More liberal guilt? Immigrants can be any race. When I look at people I don't see race. I wish liberals would step up and do the same.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

-you know who

Hehehe reminds me of the Colbert Report.

Steven Colbert He doesn't see race. People tell him he is a white man and he believes them because he has a late night tv show!

[Heracles 417]

Simple. By making racism a punishable crime. Be it to someone black, white, asian, alien etc..

You're right! That is SOOOO simple!

That's why it wprked for murder, theft, and "ahem" illegal immigration! Thanks so much for pointing out the simple solution to all of societies problems.

No your right. Why have any laws at all then...

I mean what would I know coming from the world's most livable city and country for that matter. The 'audacity' to dare suggest a different approach. What an idiot I am, much like the founders of this nation who first thought up of this stupid concept of America actually being it's own governed nation..

[Heracles 417]

Its unconstitutional for the government to limit free speech, and that includes racism. Its not about being "for" or "against" racism, its about whether you support laws that limit people's constitutional rights to free speech. Once they ban racism, what's next? Sent to jail for blasphemy? For criticising the President?

If you don't like the right to free speech that the consitution gives, then I would suggest you don't like America. The constitution is woven into the fabric of life here.

Freedom has a price, and that price is having to put up with people who's opinions disgust you. As the phrase goes "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Unfortunately the Supreme Court has consistently ruled that free speech is limited despite the absolute wording in the first amendment. and I suspect most Americans would not take an absolute postion on speech. I've struggled with this myself, but i keep coming back to the fact that there is no good reason to limit speech.

A civilized society has to draw the line somewhere. Otherwise what would stop people like pedophiles from saying disgusting things about children, to children. There are millions of examples. Nothing to do with banning free speech or even limiting free speech but more about drawing the line and setting boundaries.

[homesick_american 1]

Like banning racism rather than allowing it under free speech.

Why? Do you hope to eliminate racism by sweeping it under the carpet?

Making racism illegal works overseas.

Uh...no it doesn't.

[homesick_american 1]

Simple. By making racism a punishable crime. Be it to someone black, white, asian, alien etc..

You're right! That is SOOOO simple!

That's why it wprked for murder, theft, and "ahem" illegal immigration! Thanks so much for pointing out the simple solution to all of societies problems.

:lol: :lol:

[Heracles 417]

On the racism side of things I have included a UK act for some of the skeptical..

http://www.cre.gov.uk/legal/rra.html

Edited April 10, 2007 by Infidel

[homesick_american 1]

On the racism side of things I have included a UK act for the skeptical English compadres..

http://www.cre.gov.uk/legal/rra.html

I ought to pass that on to my colleagues at work who still use words like 'P@ki' and 'Pol@ck'. Yeah, they can be sorta racist sometimes. But they're British, and racism's illegal! I ought to sic the cops on them.