Police street stops have soared in NYC, over 85% stopped are Black or Hispanic

[DelcoCouple 1]

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Your link to a recognised study which has supporting empirical evidence for this assertation is? Oh wait you do not have one, it is your opinion based on generalisation and your personal prejudice. The exact reason why profiling is ineffective. You may or may not have seen the movie "Monster" which was based on the life of Aileen Wuornos, a Daytona Beach prostitute who became a serial killer. The profile for a serial killer was male. Oppsie!

So, which person crossing the Israeli border is more likely to be a terrorist, an Arab man or an Israeli woman??

What does it matter? The results of successful bombings tend to support my position that profiling is indeed lazy and ineffective. If profiling was effective there would have been none.

So everything I post needs a link to a "recognized study"? Do you follow that standard? If you are at an ATM at night and someone approaches wearing the typical gang uniform, do you only start getting suspicious if you have just checked a recognized study?? Animals have more sense than we do sometimes....if you're a gazelle at the local watering hole, you're going to react differently if rabbit approaches than if a lion approaches.

I do try and follow the standard of posting commentary that has a basis in fact based studies rather than rhetoric, opinion and prejudice whenever possible yes.

When rabbits and lions start to dress in baggy trousers as a matter of course your hyperbolic analogy may begin to make some logical sense. Until that day I will see it for what it is a comparison of apples and oranges

You seem to have forgotten to tell me why it is profiling has not been successful in stopping suicide bombings btw I am sure it is just a small oversight on your part .

[Alex+R 0]

Animals have more sense than we do sometimes....if you're a gazelle at the local watering hole, you're going to react differently if rabbit approaches than if a lion approaches.

What a horrible and insulting analogy.

Holy #######! :o

Excuse me while I pull my jaw off the floor and back into my face.

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

You seem to have forgotten to tell me why it is profiling has not been successful in stopping suicide bombings btw I am sure it is just a small oversight on your part .

ask the aclu

[Heracles 417]

So everything I post needs a link to a "recognized study"? Do you follow that standard? If you are at an ATM at night and someone approaches wearing the typical gang uniform, do you only start getting suspicious if you have just checked a recognized study?? Animals have more sense than we do sometimes....if you're a gazelle at the local watering hole, you're going to react differently if rabbit approaches than if a lion approaches.

Well put.. I am just waiting for someone to pull out some law written 231 years ago to protect these poor innocent gangsters. I mean they have given so much back to their community, to the country and to the world as a whole..

No wonder Oprah donates her money overseas.. At least she knows it will be appreciated and respected over there. I bet anyone $10K that if she donated that money and built a school in a predominantly poor African or Hispanic American area, the school would be trashed within 6 months..

[DelcoCouple 1]

Why should there not be any profiling to prevent crime? What a crazy idea of 'pro-actively' looking out or the good person..

This country has a serious crime problem which is not going to be eradicated by magic dust..

Because pro active policing and profiling are not the same thing.

Profiling is ineffective and lazy.

Proactive policing may or may not be more effective dependant upon the criteria applied to judge success and requires effort and ability.

[mybackpages 0]

But if wearing baggy trousers isn't a good indication that the person is a shoplifter, then the store owner is going to spend a lot of time paying undue attention to honest people with lousy fashion sense.

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Wearing baggy trousers is a good sign youa re a 15 year old boy in America. period.

[DelcoCouple 1]

Animals have more sense than we do sometimes....if you're a gazelle at the local watering hole, you're going to react differently if rabbit approaches than if a lion approaches.

What a horrible and insulting analogy.

Agreed. Perhaps more revealing than intended.

[Scott & Lai 12]

Animals have more sense than we do sometimes....if you're a gazelle at the local watering hole, you're going to react differently if rabbit approaches than if a lion approaches.

What a horrible and insulting analogy.

How is it insulting? Are honestly going to tell me that if a man walks up to you at night wearing gang clothes you won't be the slightest bit more uncomfortable than if it were a man in a business suit and briefcase?

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

But if wearing baggy trousers isn't a good indication that the person is a shoplifter, then the store owner is going to spend a lot of time paying undue attention to honest people with lousy fashion sense.

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Wearing baggy trousers is a good sign youa re a 15 year old boy in America. period.

you need to get out more and see some of the 25 year old gansta wanna be's

[Alex+R 0]

But if wearing baggy trousers isn't a good indication that the person is a shoplifter, then the store owner is going to spend a lot of time paying undue attention to honest people with lousy fashion sense.

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Wearing baggy trousers is a good sign youa re a 15 year old boy in America. period.

you need to get out more and see some of the 25 year old gansta wanna be's

The gangsta wanna be's....what? Pants?

(That was for LisaD)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How is it insulting? Are honestly going to tell me that if a man walks up to you at night wearing gang clothes you won't be the slightest bit more uncomfortable than if it were a man in a business suit and briefcase?

Depends what area you live in I guess, and what you mean by "gang clothes". If I go out on a limb and assume you mean the sort of attire that is associated with rap music, you'll find that its widespread as part of a fairly (no VERY) large youth sub-culture - and is as useful as determining criminal behaviour as a black and white striped shirt, black mask and a "swag" bag,

Edited February 5, 2007 by erekose

[DelcoCouple 1]

Israeli border guards spend a lot more time scrutinizing Arab men than Israeli women; that’s another example of profiling.

most would call that an example of being smart versus being dumb.

And most people would be wrong

Despite what many people think, terrorism is not confined to young Arab males. Shoe-bomber Richard Reid was British. Germaine Lindsay, one of the 7/7 London bombers, was Afro-Caribbean. Here are some more examples:

In 1986, a 32-year-old Irish woman, pregnant at the time, was about to board an El Al flight from London to Tel Aviv when El Al security agents discovered an explosive device hidden in the false bottom of her bag. The woman’s boyfriend--the father of her unborn child--had hidden the bomb.

In 1987, a 70-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman--neither of whom were Middle Eastern--posed as father and daughter and brought a bomb aboard a Korean Air flight from Baghdad to Thailand. En route to Bangkok, the bomb exploded, killing all on board.

In 1999, men dressed as businessmen (and one dressed as a Catholic priest) turned out to be terrorist hijackers, who forced an Avianca flight to divert to an airstrip in Colombia, where some passengers were held as hostages for more than a year-and-half.

The 2002 Bali terrorists were Indonesian. The Chechnyan terrorists who downed the Russian planes were women. Timothy McVeigh and the Unibomber were Americans. Tha Tamil Tigers are Sri Lankan.

And many Muslims are not Arabs. Even worse, almost everyone who is Arab is not a terrorist -- many people who look Arab are not even Muslims. So not only are there an large number of false negatives -- terrorists who don't meet the profile -- but there an enormous number of false positives: innocents that do meet the profile.

it's so nice you try to cloud the issue with many examples that don't even apply to israel. just one of the above applied to the topic.

The topic I was dealing with is the ineffectiveness of profiling - do try and keep up

Edited February 5, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[Ban Hammer 14,275]

Israeli border guards spend a lot more time scrutinizing Arab men than Israeli women; that’s another example of profiling.

most would call that an example of being smart versus being dumb.

And most people would be wrong

Despite what many people think, terrorism is not confined to young Arab males. Shoe-bomber Richard Reid was British. Germaine Lindsay, one of the 7/7 London bombers, was Afro-Caribbean. Here are some more examples:

In 1986, a 32-year-old Irish woman, pregnant at the time, was about to board an El Al flight from London to Tel Aviv when El Al security agents discovered an explosive device hidden in the false bottom of her bag. The woman’s boyfriend--the father of her unborn child--had hidden the bomb.

In 1987, a 70-year-old man and a 25-year-old woman--neither of whom were Middle Eastern--posed as father and daughter and brought a bomb aboard a Korean Air flight from Baghdad to Thailand. En route to Bangkok, the bomb exploded, killing all on board.

In 1999, men dressed as businessmen (and one dressed as a Catholic priest) turned out to be terrorist hijackers, who forced an Avianca flight to divert to an airstrip in Colombia, where some passengers were held as hostages for more than a year-and-half.

The 2002 Bali terrorists were Indonesian. The Chechnyan terrorists who downed the Russian planes were women. Timothy McVeigh and the Unibomber were Americans. Tha Tamil Tigers are Sri Lankan.

And many Muslims are not Arabs. Even worse, almost everyone who is Arab is not a terrorist -- many people who look Arab are not even Muslims. So not only are there an large number of false negatives -- terrorists who don't meet the profile -- but there an enormous number of false positives: innocents that do meet the profile.

it's so nice you try to cloud the issue with many examples that don't even apply to israel. just one of the above applied to the topic.

The topic I was dealing with is the ineffectiveness of profiling - do try and keep up

no, you're throwing out a red herring regarding my statement above which was exclusively about israel. you tried to distract from it with a bunch of nonsense not even related to israel. do try not to take coffee breaks, you lose track of the topic

[Heracles 417]

But if wearing baggy trousers isn't a good indication that the person is a shoplifter, then the store owner is going to spend a lot of time paying undue attention to honest people with lousy fashion sense.

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Wearing baggy trousers is a good sign youa re a 15 year old boy in America. period.

you need to get out more and see some of the 25 year old gansta wanna be's

It is an embarrassing fashion sense anyway, which is laughed at in almost every other country around the world. They might think they are 'cool' in the US but would probably get bashed in countries like Australia..

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But if wearing baggy trousers isn't a good indication that the person is a shoplifter, then the store owner is going to spend a lot of time paying undue attention to honest people with lousy fashion sense.

Wearing baggy trousers is often a good indicator that the person is either a gang member or has sympathies with gang members, and therefore likely engages in gang activities, i.e. crime.

Wearing baggy trousers is a good sign youa re a 15 year old boy in America. period.

you need to get out more and see some of the 25 year old gansta wanna be's

Wearing urban gear means you're more likely to be a gangster? Some of you really need to go spend some time living/working/studying in an urban area.