Brutal Kroger parking lot attack caught on camera,

[Karee 4,191]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html

Remember this? How mental illness became a more discussed topic? Do you think if TM's mother tried the same tactic she would get the same response?

Go for it, I got your back. I'll pull the race card if things get hectic.

TM didn't have a history of mental illness that I can recall. I think the Lanza and the Aurora guy did, so I'm not sure why TM's mother would bring up mental illness. Frankly IMO I don't see that race had one thing to do with anything in the TM/GZ thing or this Ferguson thing. Not yet anyway.

I remember there was this black guy here in Texas that was picked up hitchhiking by some ex-con wannabe Nazis. They tied a chain around him and drug him around behind their truck until he was dead. I believe they did that simply because he was black. Now there's a case were people should be pizzed about race.

Go for it, I got your back. I'll pull the race card if things get hectic.

Awesome!

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The link I used was Huffpost. Not the root or any others you named.

You think you beat me, but you've not countered any of the links or other evidence. Put your money where your mouth is.

its not a competition. 1/2 of the links you used were from the 'black voices' a part of huffington...which isn't know for being unbiased to begin with. you still haven't backed your statement & i'm still looking for that monkey & football gif.

[decocker 7,198]

Here's the reason why TMs history and character were brought into question. He was portrayed as some innocent child who was minding his own business skipping home with his bag of Skittles and Iced Tea when a maniac with a gun shot him dead for no reason. I don't think there were many that portrayed Lanza or the nut in Aurora as some innocent victim.

That's the difference.

you're only remembering one side of the story. you forget how quickly conservative sites starting going crazy in the opposite direction, with both trayvon and michael. i've never seen so many old men get so flustered over some amature rap lyrics and rumored drug usage in all my life.

what's interesting to me is how often missing black fathers are brought up on vj and yet both of these young men had active male role models in their lives.

its not a competition. 1/2 of the links you used were from the 'black voices' a part of huffington...which isn't know for being unbiased to begin with. you still haven't backed your statement & i'm still looking for that monkey & football gif.

the daily beast discussed it..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

We'll continue this tomorrow. I'm off and only rage when I'm being paid for it.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

you're only remembering one side of the story. you forget how quickly conservative sites starting going crazy in the opposite direction, with both trayvon and michael. i've never seen so many old men get so flustered over some amature rap lyrics and rumored drug usage in all my life.

what's interesting to me is how often missing black fathers are brought up on vj and yet both of these young men had active male role models in their lives.

the daily beast discussed it..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/26/why-conservatives-are-smearing-trayvon-martin-s-reputation.html

clearly, amnesia has set in on the far right...

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We'll continue this tomorrow. I'm off and only rage when I'm being paid for it.

me too. see you tomorrow brother.

[Karee 4,191]

you're only remembering one side of the story. you forget how quickly conservative sites starting going crazy in the opposite direction, with both trayvon and michael. i've never seen so many old men get so flustered over some amature rap lyrics and rumored drug usage in all my life.

what's interesting to me is how often missing black fathers are brought up on vj and yet both of these young men had active male role models in their lives.

Thanks for making my point. All the conservative nuttery was a reaction to the other side making it all about race when there was never anything racial proven in either case. The only thing racial about it that I've seen in either case was that the guy with the gun was white, and the dead guy was black. That alone doesn't make it some kind of race based killing. Not one thing credible has come out in either case that says that race played a part. Nothing. The media and the race hustlers and the right wing nut job websites want it to be about race, but it that doesn't make it so.

[Golden Gate 530]

I didn't read every thing on this thread, but what I would like to know about is how this society is going to solve the problem of inner city children becoming so aggressive and almost socialpathic. I am talking about children who are of all colors - white, black, olive, whatever. It is the environment they are growing up in that is toxic and they are acting out. It is horrifying and it is happening in my childrens' schools. These children grow up in crowded homes, drug infested neighborhoods and schools that don't seem equipped to handle them. They don't listen, they don't want to listen and they are getting away with all kinds of things. When are we going to address this so we don't have to look for ways to defend ourselves from them?

[decocker 7,198]

Thanks for making my point. All the conservative nuttery was a reaction to the other side making it all about race when there was never anything racial proven in either case. The only thing racial about it that I've seen in either case was that the guy with the gun was white, and the dead guy was black. That alone doesn't make it some kind of race based killing. Not one thing credible has come out in either case that says that race played a part. Nothing. The media and the race hustlers and the right wing nut job websites want it to be about race, but it that doesn't make it so.

i don't think either michael brown or trayvon martin were killed because they were black, as in skin color was the motivation behind their deaths. but i certainly think some racial issues are at play. not the motivation for the shootings but more the setting. if that makes sense. probably not, we've only said the same things 100,000x.

[Karee 4,191]

i don't think either michael brown or trayvon martin were killed because they were black, as in skin color was the motivation behind their deaths. but i certainly think some racial issues are at play. not the motivation for the shootings but more the setting. if that makes sense. probably not, we've only said the same things 100,000x.

That makes sense. I actually agree with you. (Don't tell Marvin)

There's definitely racial issues at play. If these folks in Ferguson are all bent out of shape over this shooting, I'd say their anger is not really justified. However, there seems to be some underlying anger with the cops in that town, and this may have brought it out. There's also outside agitators ready to take advantage of this for their own benefit. The problem I have with these cases is that the racial aspect gets all the attention, when there's nothing racial there. The issue IMO is if people holler racism every time a black guy is shot by a white guy, people will just start tuning it out. Me personally I just quit watching CNN etc. because of the whole thing. It's become hours and hours of speculation based on nothing. I had to laugh a couple weeks ago, they were actually talking about some guys Skype conversation that may or may not have picked up the gunshots. It's gotten that silly.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Thanks for making my point. All the conservative nuttery was a reaction to the other side making it all about race when there was never anything racial proven in either case. The only thing racial about it that I've seen in either case was that the guy with the gun was white, and the dead guy was black. That alone doesn't make it some kind of race based killing. Not one thing credible has come out in either case that says that race played a part. Nothing. The media and the race hustlers and the right wing nut job websites want it to be about race, but it that doesn't make it so.

It can't be proven but it seems fairly obvious to me - based on the recorded conversation that Zimmernmann had with the 911 operator - that he would not have followed Martin if Martin would have happened to be white. Race seemed to play a rather important part in Zimmermann's decision to pursue and harass Martin - for no good reason at all seeing that Martin hadn't done anything for which he needed to be pursued or harassed - which eventually led to Martin's death. Not sure how one can still sit there and pretend that race had nothing to do with it.

[Karee 4,191]

It can't be proven but it seems fairly obvious to me - based on the recorded conversation that Zimmernmann had with the 911 operator - that he would not have followed Martin if Martin would have happened to be white. Race seemed to play a rather important part in Zimmermann's decision to pursue and harass Martin - for no good reason at all seeing that Martin hadn't done anything for which he needed to be pursued or harassed - which eventually led to Martin's death. Not sure how one can still sit there and pretend that race had nothing to do with it.

You still hanging your hat on the doctored NBC tape where they claim he used the N word?

[decocker 7,198]

There's definitely racial issues at play. If these folks in Ferguson are all bent out of shape over this shooting, I'd say their anger is not really justified. However, there seems to be some underlying anger with the cops in that town, and this may have brought it out. There's also outside agitators ready to take advantage of this for their own benefit. The problem I have with these cases is that the racial aspect gets all the attention, when there's nothing racial there. The issue IMO is if people holler racism every time a black guy is shot by a white guy, people will just start tuning it out. Me personally I just quit watching CNN etc. because of the whole thing. It's become hours and hours of speculation based on nothing. I had to laugh a couple weeks ago, they were actually talking about some guys Skype conversation that may or may not have picked up the gunshots. It's gotten that silly.

i don't have any of that. the only way i'm exposed to the 24hr news shows is watching or reading something online. maybe that's why i don't feel so exasperated about the racial element. i only feel beat over the head with it here, going around in circles.

i read an article about the skype conversation a while ago, don't remember - but the significance they were discussing at the time was the lengthy pause inbetween the first and last burst of shots.still, because of mo law - i don't know that it matters anyway.

Edited September 9, 2014 by val erie

[Karee 4,191]

i don't have any of that. the only way i'm exposed to the 24hr news shows is watching or reading something online. maybe that's why i don't feel so exasperated about the racial element. i only feel beat over the head with it here, going around in circles.

i read an article about the skype conversation a while ago, don't remember - but the significance they were discussing at the time was the lengthy pause inbetween the first and last burst of shots.still, because of mo law - i don't know that it matters anyway.

You're not missing much. I you think it gets re-hashed over and over here, you should see it on cable news. I try to stick to Al Jazeera for the news, and even they went nuts with it for awhile. Plus they have a lot of 60 minutes type pieces which are pretty good. I like to watch the news to get the news, not all the personal opinions that go with it nowadays.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

A simple framing for this story: "A group of black thugs attack a white man and white woman and beat the hell out of them because they were white." This is hard to understand for the people who seek alternative explanations to explain away black NFL players who use their girlfriends/fiances on elevators like a punching bag. Crime does not exist, or gets explained away when historical race cards and charts are displayed in shiny colors and interesting shapes.

Edited September 9, 2014 by ExExpat