Totally turned around sleep wise!

[MichelleandCraig 1]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

Two separate thoughts.....I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Just givin MY take on it

..and that's fine. As long as you realize it works for US. As evidenced by my post, I don't like it either, and Craig would prefer me to be in bed with him, too, but he understands and we're together a lot..so...as long as he's ok with it...no problems. M.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

[Fandango 1,440]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

[sarah and hicham 3]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

Oh my God, it's not that difficult.

I think what Lisa meant, and I could be wrong but I think she meant that if David was here she wouldn't be online all night or out of bed during the night when they could be sleeping together. I didn't read anything about sex.

[Fandango 1,440]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

I'm not talking about two people who are working separate shifts. That's not what's being discussed here. I asked a question relevant to the OP and then I stated how *I* would take it if D were home and just 'not sleeping'

And as far as what you perceived, you were wrong. I'm usually not a 'read between the lines' type of person.

Edited to add: as far as my 'priorities'...whether or not you feel they are right or wrong, it's pretty irrelevant But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Oh my God, it's not that difficult.

I think what Lisa meant, and I could be wrong but I think she meant that if David was here she wouldn't be online all night or out of bed during the night when they could be sleeping together. I didn't read anything about sex.

And you would be right!

Edited January 6, 2007 by LisaD

[MichelleandCraig 1]

Thanks for everyone's comments and replies....

That said, although it hasn't turned into it *at this point*, I don't intend to get into a pizzing match with anyone over my sleeping habits. For one thing, this is a short-term thing, and I have every intention it will be resolved soon, as I like to be in bed with my husband same as anyone else who's able to do that. (who doesn't have separate shifts, is still apart, etc.) While I totally agree it's not necessary to have a great relationship anyway, it's just nice. However, Craig isn't the least annoyed with me over it, and is being understanding, so that's really all I care about. ETA: and I'm obviously not up all night, online, for the hell of it...I can't sleep! (Thus, the title of the post about it being annoying.Also, during the day, Craig is on the Internet quite a lot himself, and I don't choose to feel slighted over it. We're married and live together...we don't need to be in each other's company all day long (or all night long) to have a good, healthy relationship. )

We're getting ready to go to my parents for a couple hours to visit, so have a good day everyone! M.

Edited January 6, 2007 by MichelleandCraig

[diadromous mermaid 36]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

Oh my God, it's not that difficult.

I think what Lisa meant, and I could be wrong but I think she meant that if David was here she wouldn't be online all night or out of bed during the night when they could be sleeping together. I didn't read anything about sex.

Well, you are entitled to read it in whatever way you wish, but to me, it was a pointed remark, prefaced by a comment that indicated that LisaD could be treading on ground that was a little improper and personal.

While you might say that the comment was oriented around sleeping together rather than sexual intimacy, I perceived it as a euphemism for intimacy of the physical kind. I could be wrong, of course, but I sense I was not. Quite frankly, even if the issue is about sleeping alone, your post doesn't make sense. As Michelle clearly indicated in her post, they can't be sleeping together, because Michelle is having trouble falling and remaing asleep. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were troubled with insomnia, whether chronic or brief, rather than roll around and potentially disturbing my beloved's rest, I'd get up and leave him to sleep comfortably. What I chose to do in order to pass the time is academic, don't you think?

[Fandango 1,440]

Thanks for everyone's comments and replies....

That said, although it hasn't turned into it *at this point*, I don't intend to get into a pizzing match with anyone over my sleeping habits. For one thing, this is a short-term thing, and I have every intention it will be resolved soon, as I like to be in bed with my husband same as anyone else who's able to do that. (who doesn't have separate shifts, is still apart, etc.) While I totally agree it's not necessary to have a great relationship anyway, it's just nice. However, Craig isn't the least annoyed with me over it, and is being understanding, so that's really all I care about. ETA: and I'm obviously not up all night, online, for the hell of it...I can't sleep! (Thus, the title of the post about it being annoying.)

We're getting ready to go to my parents for a couple hours to visit, so have a good day everyone! M.

Jesus, Michelle, I raised a point very civilly that's relevant to your topic. And you responded 'it's not a problem for him' so I don't see where the hooha is coming from. I'm not trying to get into a pizzing contest.

[Fandango 1,440]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

Oh my God, it's not that difficult.

I think what Lisa meant, and I could be wrong but I think she meant that if David was here she wouldn't be online all night or out of bed during the night when they could be sleeping together. I didn't read anything about sex.

Well, you are entitled to read it in whatever way you wish, but to me, it was a pointed remark, prefaced by a comment that indicated that LisaD could be treading on ground that was a little improper and personal.

While you might say that the comment was oriented around sleeping together rather than sexual intimacy, I perceived it as a euphemism for intimacy of the physical kind. I could be wrong, of course, but I sense I was not. Quite frankly, even if the issue is about sleeping alone, your post doesn't make sense. As Michelle clearly indicated in her post, they can't be sleeping together, because Michelle is having trouble falling and remaing asleep. I don't know about anyone else, but if I were troubled with insomnia, whether chronic or brief, rather than roll around and potentially disturbing my beloved's rest, I'd get up and leave him to sleep comfortably. What I chose to do in order to pass the time is academic, don't you think?

So even though I have told you that you wrongly inferred something you're going to still say you 'sense' you were not wrong? DM, again, I will state that I have no problem being upfront and direct and if I was talking about SEX then I would have said so.

Everyone has a different opinion...you don't like mine, that's fine...but it exsists nonetheless...much to your apparant disdain. I am not interested in fighting with you, but I do not think you should be wrongly inferring things into my post and then making an issue about summat that's never even been said.

Unbelievable.

[diadromous mermaid 36]

After a vigorouse laundry sesh, I'm goosed! Can't imagine I'm alone in this?

Seriously tho...and I'm sure this is too personal, but since you brought it up....what does Craig think about this? Putting myself in his shoes, I'd be feelin pretty crappy if I moved to D and instead of bein in bed with me, he was up online or watchin movies or whatever. Perhaps a Dr can give you a sleeping pill so you can get on a better schedule before it becomes an issue with Craig.

LisaD,

Where's your imagination and spontaneity? Being in bed together is not a prerequisite for nor prohibits a healthy sex life. There are some that enjoy morning romps in the hay, you know?

I wasn't referring to sex itself in the second part of my post, only the intimacy of sleeping with your spouse.

I would tell D...'I didn't move all the way to the UK to sleep in an empty bed while you stay up bullsh!tting all night long online'

Sure sounded like you were implying that to me! However, if you were simply suggesting that two people aren't in synch or being intimate unless they sleep together, I suppose all of those poor slobs that MUST work opposite shifts aren't doing their part, eh?

For the love of God, stop reading things into what I said.

I'm not reading anything into what you said, Lisa. I am reading between the lines, which is how I perceived you wished your post to be read. All the same, even if that was not your intent, my apologies, but it doesn't excuse the point that in my opinion your priorities are a bit flipped about.

If two people must be active on opposite ends of the day in order to have a life together, one would more often than not be sleeping in an empty bed. That doesn't negate the reason or the interest to be together for most people.

I'm not talking about two people who are working separate shifts. That's not what's being discussed here. I asked a question relevant to the OP and then I stated how *I* would take it if D were home and just 'not sleeping'

And as far as what you perceived, you were wrong. I'm usually not a 'read between the lines' type of person.

Edited to add: as far as my 'priorities'...whether or not you feel they are right or wrong, it's pretty irrelevant But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Oh my God, it's not that difficult.

I think what Lisa meant, and I could be wrong but I think she meant that if David was here she wouldn't be online all night or out of bed during the night when they could be sleeping together. I didn't read anything about sex.

And you would be right!

LisaD,

Those weren't the priorities I was addressing. But so that you don't have to read between my lines, as I evidently was for yours, I'll clarify. I interpretted yours to mean that you wouldn't appreciate sleeping in an empty bed if for some reason your SO couldn't sleep.

P. S. If you aren't interested in furthering this discussion, I won't either,. But then perhaps removing this comment would be a good idea....

But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Somehow, as I read it, I think you are implying more than you claim you are.

[Fandango 1,440]

Oh, and for the record...the inference is nonsensical since sex isn't supposed to be done while asleep anyways The issue was SLEEP, if you recall

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Oh, and for the record...the inference is nonsensical since sex isn't supposed to be done while asleep anyways The issue was SLEEP, if you recall

Sleeping together is also a euphemism. Ergo my first comment about creativity. However, if it is simply SLEEP you are discussing, how would you or anyone else know if someone were on the Internet and why or how could it bother you or anyone else, if one were sleeping? Relentless......

Edited January 6, 2007 by diadromous mermaid

[Fandango 1,440]

LisaD,

Those weren't the priorities I was addressing. But so that you don't have to read between my lines, as I evidently was for yours, I'll clarify. I interpretted yours to mean that you wouldn't appreciate sleeping in an empty bed if for some reason your SO couldn't sleep.

P. S. If you aren't interested in furthering this discussion, I won't either,. But then perhaps removing this comment would be a good idea....

But just so there's no confusion....D comes before internet!

Somehow, as I read it, I think you are implying more than you claim you are.

No I will not remove that comment. D comes before the internet. Again, I'm not IMPLYING anything about anybody here...in fact, I only put it out there since YOU had the gall to question my priorities. So had you not asked, I wouldn't have ever said that. But now that it's there, I won't retract it because it's true.

I responded to this thread by putting MYSELF in this situation as to best give my .02...since that is apparantly what Michelle was after when she opened this for discussion. Not my .02 in particular, but the board's. It was not meant as a confrontation or a judgement, but actually a curiosity 'how does Craig feel?' which Michelle has answered with no issues...so honestly, DM, I really don't understand why you seem to be making this such a bigger issue than it should be.

Again, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF....with both parties having separate roles during the day,I find that some of the most intimate moments are spent just lying in bed, sleeping, spooning, etc. It's actually one of the biggest things I miss about our old life together. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd be at the docs because I value that time I spend with D. And vice versa. If I had a problem sleeping, I'd lie there and just enjoy being close to him. I've done it in the past, as has he. The odd sleepless night is not an issue in and of itself, but if it becomes chronic, both D and I would have the sense that summat needs to be done about it because it would be infringing on summat we enjoy. And if D had a chronic issue with insomnia and was up all night, I'd feel that the internet was contributing to the sleeplessness. I am speaking as a woman who has shared a home with D....and the only reason why I bring that up is because my perspective is not one of being together only for short bursts of time. I do realize that a new broom sweeps clean, so to speak, and I can say our broom has some wear on it, lol.

Oh, and everything I wanted to say? I said it. No lines inbetween or subtle nuances...I said it. So if what you're reading is actually not here, then that's not what I mean.

Edited January 6, 2007 by LisaD

[RaspberrySwirl 20]

Uh hope you get your sleeping pattern sorted out, Michelle. What works for me, is staying up longer and/or avoiding drinking soda/coffee etc. Not that I drink that ####### often anyhow.

D. works third shift while I work first. So when I come home, he's ready for bed and when he's leaving, I'm ready for bed. We've tried it differently so that D. would be sleeping as soon as he gets home from work and we could spend the afternoons together but it just wasn't working out for him. He's been at his job for 8 years on the same shift and on the same routine. He does try to stay up a few times a week when we have things to do together, grocery shopping or whichever but it's hard on him and I don't really mind, I like my alone time. It's kinda boring to spend the evening by myself but it's nothing I'm not used to. And he does switch around on the weekends, which screws him up even more but it's what he chooses to do in order to enjoy the weekend together, go see a movie or whatever.

I suppose I'm just trying to say, uh what was this thread about again?