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[Ban Hammer 14,647]

but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

But you can bet your a** Americans are WAY FATTER than the rest of the world. I've never seen more obese people than in the Midwest, and I've done quite a bit of travelling & lived in the UK.

i think you musta seen my ex wife then

she was the coke can with arms, btw

Edited December 27, 2006 by charlesandnessa

[mrc 0]

but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

But you can bet your a** Americans are WAY FATTER than the rest of the world. I've never seen more obese people than in the Midwest, and I've done quite a bit of travelling & lived in the UK.

Obesity Higher in Some European Countries

The Proportion of Overweight or Obese Men Is Higher in Some European Countries Than in the U.S.

By JENNA PAYNE

The Associated Press

Mar. 15, 2005 - At least seven European countries now challenge the United States in size at least around the waistline. In a group of nations from Greece to Germany, the proportion of overweight or obese men is higher than in the U.S., experts said Tuesday in a major analysis of expanding girth on the European continent.

"The time when obesity was thought to be a problem on the other side of the Atlantic has gone by," said Mars Di Bartolomeo, Luxembourg's Minister of Health.

In Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Malta and Slovakia, a higher percentage of men are obese or overweight than the estimated 67 percent of men in the United States, according to a report from the International Obesity Task Force, a coalition of researchers and institutions.

The analysis was released as the 25-nation European Union announced an initiative to enlist the food and marketing industries in the fight against fat.

Obesity is especially acute in Mediterranean countries, underscoring concerns that people in the southern region are turning away from the traditional diet of fish, fruits and vegetables to fast food high in fat and refined carbohydrates.

In Greece, for example, 38 percent of women are obese, compared with 34 percent in the United States, the group said.

Even in countries with low rates of obesity, troubling trends are emerging. In France, obesity in women rose from 8 percent in 1997 to 11.3 percent in 2003, and from 8.4 percent to 11.4 percent in men.

The change in diets, which the obesity task force said has occurred over the past two decades, affects children most because it is reflected in school lunches.

The task force estimated that among the EU's 103 million youngsters the number of those overweight rises by 400,000 each year. More than 30 percent of children ages 7 to 11 are overweight in Italy, Portugal, Spain and Malta, it said.

That matches estimates for American children. Among American adults, about two-thirds are overweight or obese; nearly one-third qualify as obese.

The International Obesity Task Force, which is advising the European Union, had estimated in 2003 that about 200 million of the 350 million adults living in what is now the European Union may be overweight or obese.

However, a closer evaluation of the figures in the latest analysis indicated that may be an underestimate, according to the group.

To counter the worsening trend, the EU is pushing a united effort from the food and marketing industries, consumer groups and health experts.

"The industry is being challenged to demonstrate, transparently, that it is going to be part of the solution," Philip James, chairman of the IOTF said in a telephone interview after the launch of the program in Brussels.

"They have to say how much more money they will add to help solve the obesity problem. They have to put forward a plan on how exactly they are going to contribute year by year, and their contribution has to get bigger every year," he added.

The food industry says it will better inform consumers with detailed nutrition labels. The EU office also wants tastier healthy foods to compete with high-calorie, non-nutritious fare.

Studies have shown that being overweight can dramatically increase the risk of certain diseases, such as diabetes. Obesity is also linked to heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes, respiratory disease, arthritis and some types of cancer.

"We can have disastrous effects from (obesity) on health and the national economy," EU Health Commissioner Markos Kyprianou said.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[brnidokiegurl 1]

ever check out who's at the all you can eat buffets, course i was there to, but normally just one plate and dont do the deserts to much

[Robor007 0]

but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

But you can bet your a** Americans are WAY FATTER than the rest of the world. I've never seen more obese people than in the Midwest, and I've done quite a bit of travelling & lived in the UK.

I do agree that there is definitely more of a problem here in the US than in the rest of the world but I also think other countries are catching up.

[Mags 112]

This is nothing new. It has been well documented for years about soda and the fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup is in EVERYTHING. Go down the bakery aisle. Find me a loaf of bread that does NOT have HFCS in it? There isn't one.

I have only found one. In Kroger. And it was German.

Why you have it in bread I'll never know. It isn't needed. The UK doesn't do it.

My answer? I bought a friggin breadmaker. Now I'll make my own.

I spend an extra hour shopping and will NOT pick up anything with HFCS in it.

I'll check the bread I buy at Costco - I thought I was being healthy - It's Kirkland Multi-Grain Bread. I used to have a bread machine years ago and I was making bread a lot - mainly to save money. I would like to get another one soon.

I have no idea what the deal is with HFCS's in everything but I can't help but think that corporate farms can make a lot of money from corn because of it's versatile uses. I'll try to look up some info on it.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the added sugar that's in your bread. Going with a high fiber multi-grain and whole grain bread is fine...they are lower in calories (which means they have a lot less sugar) and they are filled with nutrients which aid in digestion (fiber). It's the bleached white breads that are filled with empty calories. The HCFS's in bread compared to cola are negligible.

You SHOULD be concerned. There is NO NEED for HFCS to be in bread or many other products that are on shelves. In the UK they are not there...so why should it be different in the USA?

Remember "Super Size Me"? He covered HFCS in that too...and the soda problem. Scary, really scary.

Here's some FYI regarding Heinz Ketchup...

Once upon a time Heinz Ketchup (American) was made from "Red Ripe Tomatoes" and "sugar" amongst other things. Today, in America, Heinz Ketchup is made from "Tomato Paste (from Red, Ripe Tomatoes) and High Fructose Corn Syrup amongst other things, though Heinz claims it's the original Heinz ketchup which it is not.

....

On a positive not, Trader Joe's sells an organic ketchup that is comparable in price with Heinz, but is more loyal to the original recipe than the current Heinz is, with half the sugar content and it tastes zesty like the old Heinz used to.

And HFCS is NOT in the UK Heinz Ketchup. Makes you think...WHY? Why put it in the USA one?

I don't eat Ketchup. Solves that problem. I don't drink sugar sodas or even juice. Again, problem solved. I elect not to eat or drink these items because they are empty calories. Like I said, if you eat healthy and eat in moderation, you cut out most of the unnecessary HFCS because HFCS is generally not found in large quantities in foods that are healthier or lower in calories. Problem solved...check caloric intake instead of just checking for HFCS. Sure, HFCS may be in a lot of foods in the US that aren't in the UK, but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

You know what I found odd...? When I was in the Philippines last month I found that a lot of places didn't have 'Coke Light' or another diet soda option. I stopped drinking 'regular' soda a while back because it's empty calories and causes additional health problems. To be honest I don't miss it and even prefer it now. If I'm mistakenly given a soda or tea with sugar in it now I am left with a bad aftertaste.

Exactly. If I have a drink at a restaurant, it's an unsweetened Iced Tea. I prefer the unsweetened version with some lemon anyway.

The fact that you are eating healthily does not protect you from HFCS. It is in most products on the shelf of an American store. Next time you go shopping check out the labels of everything you would normally pick up. Sweet AND savoury. Now, tell me that isn't scary?

MRC, I don't care what you do or don't eat, no one is safe from HFCS, regardless of whether they eat healthily or not. This thread isn't about "what MRC eats". ####### mate? AND my main point is that HFCS does NOT NEED to be in all these foods. I also never said obesity is the USA's sole problem, but now you've brought it up it is a BIG problem. You have the highest obesity/diabetes rates in the world. You also add HFCS to everything. My point was that the UK doesn't add HFCS to its foodstuffs.

Tell me why the hell it is in savoury foods? *slaps head* I don't get it.

but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

But you can bet your a** Americans are WAY FATTER than the rest of the world. I've never seen more obese people than in the Midwest, and I've done quite a bit of travelling & lived in the UK.

Obesity Higher in Some European Countries

The Proportion of Overweight or Obese Men Is Higher in Some European Countries Than in the U.S.

By JENNA PAYNE

The Associated Press

Mar. 15, 2005 - At least seven European countries now challenge the United States in size at least around the waistline. In a group of nations from Greece to Germany, the proportion of overweight or obese men is higher than in the U.S., experts said Tuesday in a major analysis of expanding girth on the European continent.

"The time when obesity was thought to be a problem on the other side of the Atlantic has gone by," said Mars Di Bartolomeo, Luxembourg's Minister of Health.

In Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Malta and Slovakia, a higher percentage of men are obese or overweight than the estimated 67 percent of men in the United States, according to a report from the International Obesity Task Force, a coalition of researchers and institutions.

The analysis was released as the 25-nation European Union announced an initiative to enlist the food and marketing industries in the fight against fat.

Obesity is especially acute in Mediterranean countries, underscoring concerns that people in the southern region are turning away from the traditional diet of fish, fruits and vegetables to fast food high in fat and refined carbohydrates.

In Greece, for example, 38 percent of women are obese, compared with 34 percent in the United States, the group said.

Even in countries with low rates of obesity, troubling trends are emerging. In France, obesity in women rose from 8 percent in 1997 to 11.3 percent in 2003, and from 8.4 percent to 11.4 percent in men.

The change in diets, which the obesity task force said has occurred over the past two decades, affects children most because it is reflected in school lunches.

The task force estimated that among the EU's 103 million youngsters the number of those overweight rises by 400,000 each year. More than 30 percent of children ages 7 to 11 are overweight in Italy, Portugal, Spain and Malta, it said.

That matches estimates for American children. Among American adults, about two-thirds are overweight or obese; nearly one-third qualify as obese.

The International Obesity Task Force, which is advising the European Union, had estimated in 2003 that about 200 million of the 350 million adults living in what is now the European Union may be overweight or obese.

However, a closer evaluation of the figures in the latest analysis indicated that may be an underestimate, according to the group.

To counter the worsening trend, the EU is pushing a united effort from the food and marketing industries, consumer groups and health experts.

"The industry is being challenged to demonstrate, transparently, that it is going to be part of the solution," Philip James, chairman of the IOTF said in a telephone interview after the launch of the program in Brussels.

"They have to say how much more money they will add to help solve the obesity problem. They have to put forward a plan on how exactly they are going to contribute year by year, and their contribution has to get bigger every year," he added.

The food industry says it will better inform consumers with detailed nutrition labels. The EU office also wants tastier healthy foods to compete with high-calorie, non-nutritious fare.

Studies have shown that being overweight can dramatically increase the risk of certain diseases, such as diabetes. Obesity is also linked to heart disease, high blood pressure, strokes, respiratory disease, arthritis and some types of cancer.

"We can have disastrous effects from (obesity) on health and the national economy," EU Health Commissioner Markos Kyprianou said.

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

It is the American women who tend to be more overweight anyway. And the reason the countries are catching up? They're becoming more westernised.

Wotcha trying to prove MRC?

Edited December 27, 2006 by mags

[mrc 0]

This is nothing new. It has been well documented for years about soda and the fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup is in EVERYTHING. Go down the bakery aisle. Find me a loaf of bread that does NOT have HFCS in it? There isn't one.

I have only found one. In Kroger. And it was German.

Why you have it in bread I'll never know. It isn't needed. The UK doesn't do it.

My answer? I bought a friggin breadmaker. Now I'll make my own.

I spend an extra hour shopping and will NOT pick up anything with HFCS in it.

I'll check the bread I buy at Costco - I thought I was being healthy - It's Kirkland Multi-Grain Bread. I used to have a bread machine years ago and I was making bread a lot - mainly to save money. I would like to get another one soon.

I have no idea what the deal is with HFCS's in everything but I can't help but think that corporate farms can make a lot of money from corn because of it's versatile uses. I'll try to look up some info on it.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the added sugar that's in your bread. Going with a high fiber multi-grain and whole grain bread is fine...they are lower in calories (which means they have a lot less sugar) and they are filled with nutrients which aid in digestion (fiber). It's the bleached white breads that are filled with empty calories. The HCFS's in bread compared to cola are negligible.

You SHOULD be concerned. There is NO NEED for HFCS to be in bread or many other products that are on shelves. In the UK they are not there...so why should it be different in the USA?

Remember "Super Size Me"? He covered HFCS in that too...and the soda problem. Scary, really scary.

Here's some FYI regarding Heinz Ketchup...

Once upon a time Heinz Ketchup (American) was made from "Red Ripe Tomatoes" and "sugar" amongst other things. Today, in America, Heinz Ketchup is made from "Tomato Paste (from Red, Ripe Tomatoes) and High Fructose Corn Syrup amongst other things, though Heinz claims it's the original Heinz ketchup which it is not.

....

On a positive not, Trader Joe's sells an organic ketchup that is comparable in price with Heinz, but is more loyal to the original recipe than the current Heinz is, with half the sugar content and it tastes zesty like the old Heinz used to.

And HFCS is NOT in the UK Heinz Ketchup. Makes you think...WHY? Why put it in the USA one?

I don't eat Ketchup. Solves that problem. I don't drink sugar sodas or even juice. Again, problem solved. I elect not to eat or drink these items because they are empty calories. Like I said, if you eat healthy and eat in moderation, you cut out most of the unnecessary HFCS because HFCS is generally not found in large quantities in foods that are healthier or lower in calories. Problem solved...check caloric intake instead of just checking for HFCS. Sure, HFCS may be in a lot of foods in the US that aren't in the UK, but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

You know what I found odd...? When I was in the Philippines last month I found that a lot of places didn't have 'Coke Light' or another diet soda option. I stopped drinking 'regular' soda a while back because it's empty calories and causes additional health problems. To be honest I don't miss it and even prefer it now. If I'm mistakenly given a soda or tea with sugar in it now I am left with a bad aftertaste.

Exactly. If I have a drink at a restaurant, it's an unsweetened Iced Tea. I prefer the unsweetened version with some lemon anyway.

The fact that you are eating healthily does not protect you from HFCS. It is in most products on the shelf of an American store. Next time you go shopping check out the labels of everything you would normally pick up. Sweet AND savoury. Now, tell me that isn't scary?

MRC, I don't care what you do or don't eat, no one is safe from HFCS, regardless of whether they eat healthily or not. This thread isn't about "what MRC eats". ####### mate? AND my main point is that HFCS does NOT NEED to be in all these foods. I also never said obesity is the USA's sole problem, but now you've brought it up it is a BIG problem. You have the highest obesity/diabetes rates in the world. You also add HFCS to everything. My point was that the UK doesn't add HFCS to its foodstuffs.

Tell me why the hell it is in savoury foods? *slaps head* I don't get it.

You're missing the point...you WILL avoid large amounts of HFCS if you change the way you eat. ####### mate? You don't have to exclusively look for it on the labels.

[no name 1]

Seeing an entire obese family makes me sick.

The study's sponsors hope to find out why rates of overweight children in the United States have tripled since 1980 and to reverse the trend. Nearly a third of all U.S. children are overweight or at risk of becoming overweight, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

[Mags 112]

This is nothing new. It has been well documented for years about soda and the fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup is in EVERYTHING. Go down the bakery aisle. Find me a loaf of bread that does NOT have HFCS in it? There isn't one.

I have only found one. In Kroger. And it was German.

Why you have it in bread I'll never know. It isn't needed. The UK doesn't do it.

My answer? I bought a friggin breadmaker. Now I'll make my own.

I spend an extra hour shopping and will NOT pick up anything with HFCS in it.

I'll check the bread I buy at Costco - I thought I was being healthy - It's Kirkland Multi-Grain Bread. I used to have a bread machine years ago and I was making bread a lot - mainly to save money. I would like to get another one soon.

I have no idea what the deal is with HFCS's in everything but I can't help but think that corporate farms can make a lot of money from corn because of it's versatile uses. I'll try to look up some info on it.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the added sugar that's in your bread. Going with a high fiber multi-grain and whole grain bread is fine...they are lower in calories (which means they have a lot less sugar) and they are filled with nutrients which aid in digestion (fiber). It's the bleached white breads that are filled with empty calories. The HCFS's in bread compared to cola are negligible.

You SHOULD be concerned. There is NO NEED for HFCS to be in bread or many other products that are on shelves. In the UK they are not there...so why should it be different in the USA?

Remember "Super Size Me"? He covered HFCS in that too...and the soda problem. Scary, really scary.

Here's some FYI regarding Heinz Ketchup...

Once upon a time Heinz Ketchup (American) was made from "Red Ripe Tomatoes" and "sugar" amongst other things. Today, in America, Heinz Ketchup is made from "Tomato Paste (from Red, Ripe Tomatoes) and High Fructose Corn Syrup amongst other things, though Heinz claims it's the original Heinz ketchup which it is not.

....

On a positive not, Trader Joe's sells an organic ketchup that is comparable in price with Heinz, but is more loyal to the original recipe than the current Heinz is, with half the sugar content and it tastes zesty like the old Heinz used to.

And HFCS is NOT in the UK Heinz Ketchup. Makes you think...WHY? Why put it in the USA one?

I don't eat Ketchup. Solves that problem. I don't drink sugar sodas or even juice. Again, problem solved. I elect not to eat or drink these items because they are empty calories. Like I said, if you eat healthy and eat in moderation, you cut out most of the unnecessary HFCS because HFCS is generally not found in large quantities in foods that are healthier or lower in calories. Problem solved...check caloric intake instead of just checking for HFCS. Sure, HFCS may be in a lot of foods in the US that aren't in the UK, but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

You know what I found odd...? When I was in the Philippines last month I found that a lot of places didn't have 'Coke Light' or another diet soda option. I stopped drinking 'regular' soda a while back because it's empty calories and causes additional health problems. To be honest I don't miss it and even prefer it now. If I'm mistakenly given a soda or tea with sugar in it now I am left with a bad aftertaste.

Exactly. If I have a drink at a restaurant, it's an unsweetened Iced Tea. I prefer the unsweetened version with some lemon anyway.

The fact that you are eating healthily does not protect you from HFCS. It is in most products on the shelf of an American store. Next time you go shopping check out the labels of everything you would normally pick up. Sweet AND savoury. Now, tell me that isn't scary?

MRC, I don't care what you do or don't eat, no one is safe from HFCS, regardless of whether they eat healthily or not. This thread isn't about "what MRC eats". ####### mate? AND my main point is that HFCS does NOT NEED to be in all these foods. I also never said obesity is the USA's sole problem, but now you've brought it up it is a BIG problem. You have the highest obesity/diabetes rates in the world. You also add HFCS to everything. My point was that the UK doesn't add HFCS to its foodstuffs.

Tell me why the hell it is in savoury foods? *slaps head* I don't get it.

You're missing the point...you WILL avoid large amounts of HFCS if you change the way you eat. ####### mate? You don't have to exclusively look for it on the labels.

I assure you I eat healthily. But you will find HFCS in MOST foods on the store shelf. Just do me a favour and be quiet until you have been shopping. Check out the labels.

[mrc 0]

This is nothing new. It has been well documented for years about soda and the fact that High Fructose Corn Syrup is in EVERYTHING. Go down the bakery aisle. Find me a loaf of bread that does NOT have HFCS in it? There isn't one.

I have only found one. In Kroger. And it was German.

Why you have it in bread I'll never know. It isn't needed. The UK doesn't do it.

My answer? I bought a friggin breadmaker. Now I'll make my own.

I spend an extra hour shopping and will NOT pick up anything with HFCS in it.

I'll check the bread I buy at Costco - I thought I was being healthy - It's Kirkland Multi-Grain Bread. I used to have a bread machine years ago and I was making bread a lot - mainly to save money. I would like to get another one soon.

I have no idea what the deal is with HFCS's in everything but I can't help but think that corporate farms can make a lot of money from corn because of it's versatile uses. I'll try to look up some info on it.

I wouldn't be too concerned about the added sugar that's in your bread. Going with a high fiber multi-grain and whole grain bread is fine...they are lower in calories (which means they have a lot less sugar) and they are filled with nutrients which aid in digestion (fiber). It's the bleached white breads that are filled with empty calories. The HCFS's in bread compared to cola are negligible.

You SHOULD be concerned. There is NO NEED for HFCS to be in bread or many other products that are on shelves. In the UK they are not there...so why should it be different in the USA?

Remember "Super Size Me"? He covered HFCS in that too...and the soda problem. Scary, really scary.

Here's some FYI regarding Heinz Ketchup...

Once upon a time Heinz Ketchup (American) was made from "Red Ripe Tomatoes" and "sugar" amongst other things. Today, in America, Heinz Ketchup is made from "Tomato Paste (from Red, Ripe Tomatoes) and High Fructose Corn Syrup amongst other things, though Heinz claims it's the original Heinz ketchup which it is not.

....

On a positive not, Trader Joe's sells an organic ketchup that is comparable in price with Heinz, but is more loyal to the original recipe than the current Heinz is, with half the sugar content and it tastes zesty like the old Heinz used to.

And HFCS is NOT in the UK Heinz Ketchup. Makes you think...WHY? Why put it in the USA one?

I don't eat Ketchup. Solves that problem. I don't drink sugar sodas or even juice. Again, problem solved. I elect not to eat or drink these items because they are empty calories. Like I said, if you eat healthy and eat in moderation, you cut out most of the unnecessary HFCS because HFCS is generally not found in large quantities in foods that are healthier or lower in calories. Problem solved...check caloric intake instead of just checking for HFCS. Sure, HFCS may be in a lot of foods in the US that aren't in the UK, but if you think the obesity problem is an epidemic solely for the US, you are mistaken.

You know what I found odd...? When I was in the Philippines last month I found that a lot of places didn't have 'Coke Light' or another diet soda option. I stopped drinking 'regular' soda a while back because it's empty calories and causes additional health problems. To be honest I don't miss it and even prefer it now. If I'm mistakenly given a soda or tea with sugar in it now I am left with a bad aftertaste.

Exactly. If I have a drink at a restaurant, it's an unsweetened Iced Tea. I prefer the unsweetened version with some lemon anyway.

The fact that you are eating healthily does not protect you from HFCS. It is in most products on the shelf of an American store. Next time you go shopping check out the labels of everything you would normally pick up. Sweet AND savoury. Now, tell me that isn't scary?

MRC, I don't care what you do or don't eat, no one is safe from HFCS, regardless of whether they eat healthily or not. This thread isn't about "what MRC eats". ####### mate? AND my main point is that HFCS does NOT NEED to be in all these foods. I also never said obesity is the USA's sole problem, but now you've brought it up it is a BIG problem. You have the highest obesity/diabetes rates in the world. You also add HFCS to everything. My point was that the UK doesn't add HFCS to its foodstuffs.

Tell me why the hell it is in savoury foods? *slaps head* I don't get it.

You're missing the point...you WILL avoid large amounts of HFCS if you change the way you eat. ####### mate? You don't have to exclusively look for it on the labels.

I assure you I eat healthily. But you will find HFCS in MOST foods on the store shelf. Just do me a favour and be quiet until you have been shopping. Check out the labels.

Easy now...why are you getting so defensive? Who said I don't shop? You think groceries magically appear in my cabinets? Nice ego.

[Ban Hammer 14,647]

mags you change your personal saying right now!

[Mags 112]

Seeing an entire obese family makes me sick.

The study's sponsors hope to find out why rates of overweight children in the United States have tripled since 1980 and to reverse the trend. Nearly a third of all U.S. children are overweight or at risk of becoming overweight, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

I agree D. I was in the store today and there was a kid who was no more than 10. He had triple chins. At the age of 10.

[mrc 0]

It is the American women who tend to be more overweight anyway. And the reason the countries are catching up? They're becoming more westernised.

Wotcha trying to prove MRC?

Nothing, just trying to back up my statements with facts. The US gets the rap for being fat all the time, but I'm just merely pointing out that other countries need to check themselves too. The fat-o-meter is tipping the scales in every direction.

"In Greece, for example, 38 percent of women are obese, compared with 34 percent in the United States, the group said."

[brnidokiegurl 1]

yea charles fixed you a place to continue on with your discussion and now you've let it drop

[mrc 0]

Seeing an entire obese family makes me sick.

The study's sponsors hope to find out why rates of overweight children in the United States have tripled since 1980 and to reverse the trend. Nearly a third of all U.S. children are overweight or at risk of becoming overweight, according to the national Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

I agree D. I was in the store today and there was a kid who was no more than 10. He had triple chins. At the age of 10.

haha...this is totally true. When I went to school there was maybe one fat kid in the class. Now the fat kids gang up and make fun of the skinny kids.

[Mags 112]

Easy now...why are you getting so defensive? Who said I don't shop? You think groceries magically appear in my cabinets? Nice ego.

Wow, talk about interpreting what I said totally wrong. Where did I say you don't shop?

Not defensive at all. Just trying to get my point across, which you really seem to be missing. I have been here in the USA for 3 weeks nearly. I have examined nearly every item on Kroger's shelves for HFCS. It is in most of them. I speak from fact and knowledge. I'm not spouting sh!t off of the top of my head y'know!

It is the American women who tend to be more overweight anyway. And the reason the countries are catching up? They're becoming more westernised.

Wotcha trying to prove MRC?

Nothing, just trying to back up my statements with facts. The US gets the rap for being fat all the time, but I'm just merely pointing out that other countries need to check themselves too. The fat-o-meter is tipping the scales in every direction.

"In Greece, for example, 38 percent of women are obese, compared with 34 percent in the United States, the group said."

But the USA was the first, the first is always remembered.

mags you change your personal saying right now!

You spotted that huh?