Legal Gun Owners Can Deter Crime, Says Detroit Police Chief

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I'm not sure where you are going.

Reality. Edited January 7, 2014 by The Postmaster

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

NO matter where people are at, they and their children do worse without intact families.

Define intact families. I was raised by a single parent. Divorce was taboo when I was growing up. My siblings and I came out okay.

Divorce is more likely than death do us part these days.

Sometimes, I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Other times, I am absolutely certain you have not a clue.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marv..... you speak as though you can bestow education on the unwilling.

If they are not interested in education, they then have nothing to offer and employer..... they then are poor.

They are not victims... they create victims.

We know that people in their same situation, DO get an education, do get a job, do make a life for them self.

When my father was a child he lived in the classic "no running water" ..... no electricity , rental home and actually plowed behind a mule until he was 19.

Poverty was everywhere, he had family members he considered poor, he recalls them living off molasses and cornbread.

He went in the Air force, went to college and now lives quite comfortable (yet modestly as is his nature).

So he came from poverty yet the Difference was, he had a good example (Or more commonly referred to as a Dad).

You my friend, are trying to put the cart in front of the horse.

You are trying to get tomatoes to grow in shitty soil.

There is nothing life has convinced me of more than..... Family structure is the number one determining factor concerning the development of a child.

I say this both from hard data and my own personal successes and failures.

Once again, you're comparing apples and oranges. The average black family deals with things the average white family will never have to contend with. Every time we have this conversation, it goes in circles.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

so anyone that does not agree with your position is crazy

How very tolerant liberal of you

That's not what I said at all. As entertaining as your imagination is, you really should stop responding to things you clearly didn't comprehend in the first place. It's kind of exhausting to have to keep correcting you when you jump to yet another incorrect conclusion.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That's not what I said at all. As entertaining as your imagination is, you really should stop responding to things you clearly didn't comprehend in the first place. It's kind of exhausting to have to keep correcting you when you jump to yet another incorrect conclusion.

If he didn't do that, he wouldn't be Nature Boy. Just like I have to find the racial angle in everything, it's more fun that way

[Danno 1,228]

Once again, you're comparing apples and oranges. The average black family deals with things the average white family will never have to contend with. Every time we have this conversation, it goes in circles.

Well of course the AVERAGE Black family deals with things the AVERAGE White family does not.... The Average Black family is nearly twice as likely to experience

this phenomena of bringing children into the world, without the benefit of two parents.

Why are Blacks abandoning their tradition of marriage and family in such high numbers?

And just like when you are sick with a virus..... ill health begins at all systems of the body, So it is with the culture of "fatherlessness."

We see poorer results in every corner of life.... which then creates an unhealthy community..... which fosters even more difficulty for the young persons raised in it.

We must face the facts, yet to even speak the facts or to offer an honest opinion is to set you and others off..... to start "reporting me."

Now a lot of times I kid around on here, tweek peoples a bit but I really do address this issue so consistently because, I am worried, if we are not careful, a large segment of the Black community might be beyond restoration, and this is ruinous for all of us.... Black and white.

And as rates increase for other groups we will see the same social drag there too.

This is where my "Small gov't friends" are missing the ball. You can not have 4o% of a nations children born out of wedlock and have a small Gov't, you just can't.

In 1960 only 1-2% of White children were born out of wed lock, it is now in the thirties. And these kids must be educated, medicated, fed, and too often incarcerated. This all takes lots of tax money and the parents are way more likely to NOT be tax payers.

[Danno 1,228]

Define intact families. I was raised by a single parent. Divorce was taboo when I was growing up. My siblings and I came out okay.

Divorce is more likely than death do us part these days.

Sometimes, I think you have no idea what you are talking about. Other times, I am absolutely certain you have not a clue.

Sorry, I did not mean to miss your point and to it let me say...

-Coming out "ok" is not the same as coming as as well as you might have. ( I don't mean for that to sound personal to your story).

-I can grow Green peppers in two places, at my house the spot with better soil consistently produces better peppers, though a few nice ones can be found in either.

-I would imagine the neighborhood you grew up in had the "reparative" effect of many other families around you who were in tact?

When one grows up in a neighborhood where few people are married, that healthy dynamic is not a modeled and little expectation is planted in the child.

- There are no perfect formulas, there are only trade-offs. There has been a huge amount of bad information about the importance of marriage, what it means to society and when it fails, the effects it has on children. It's my hope that those of us who have lived it one way or another, realize this cultural error and begin undoing these patterns in law and attitudes which have done so much damage.

-Really I am not trying to beat up on single moms as much as I want to attack the "culture" of single mothers as a norm.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh Christ. This again really?

Unsurprisingly, areas that are dirt poor areas, where there are no jobs, no investment are naturally going to have more crime and more social problems.

Stop acting like it's all some effing mystery. It's not, it's well understood!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Who is raising these children, if not a parent, parents, or other family members? The break-up of the extended family began long before the war on poverty, and extends across class lines. The poor and immigrant communities tend to have closer knit families than the nation as a whole.

See the point at which the graph up like an F-15 in a vertical

That's when the war on poverty started. Just saying.

Edited January 7, 2014 by The conciliator

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

That's not what I said at all. As entertaining as your imagination is, you really should stop responding to things you clearly didn't comprehend in the first place. It's kind of exhausting to have to keep correcting you when you jump to yet another incorrect conclusion.

You said people that say don't infringe on our rights are crazies.

Of course you did not say that

Some things never change

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

Are you threatening me? Because I don't like people threatening me.

IF I were threatening you, you'd know it, cuz you woulda peed your pants when you read my post.

Yeah, making a threat to an unknown person on da interwebs... real effective.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

See the point at which the graph up like an F-15 in a vertical

That's when the war on poverty started. Just saying.

Like I said, as somebody that know how to read graphs, the rate of increase (trend) is holding steady for society in general, yet decreasing for the two groups isolated. So, I don't know what you are trying to say. You have to show causation, not just coincidence.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Like I said, as somebody that know how to read graphs, the rate of increase (trend) is holding steady for society in general, yet decreasing for the two groups isolated. So, I don't know what you are trying to say. You have to show causation, not just coincidence.

That's okay. He doesn't know either.