Author: China has a "remarkable willingness to compromise", USA to blame for maritime disputes with Philippines, Japan, etc.

[mota bhai 2,675]

This is from an interview which touches mostly on India-China issues but they do get into China's maritime disputes. There are many VJers with relationships in that part of the world, so pasting below.

Your contention that China will always be reasonable is contradicted by her ongoing maritime disputes with several nations. To some extent it seems that the focus has shifted to the Indian Ocean and China does not seem very tractable in it’s disputes there.

Point taken. Let me address it. Largely because of the Sino Indian dispute but also because of the Sino Soviet Dispute, China has the unearned reputation of being unreasonable and forceful in dealing with territorial issues. The opposite is the truth it has again and again shown a remarkable willingness to compromise, even on matters of fundamental principle. The Sino-Russian agreement is an example of that. And in the South China Seas again, China has been calling for individual negotiations with any of its rival claimants, none of them have agreed so far—not China to blame. But now, the United States has come steaming into the South China Seas, encouraging all other claimants, “Stand Up! Don’t negotiate, if it’s yours; act as if it’s yours!” Deliberately attempting to create anti-China attitudes. You must always recognize that when you hear of the ‘international community’ it often means the United States. Which is implacably hostile and would like nothing more than to see regime change in Beijing.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282579

[GandD 5,966]

This is from an interview which touches mostly on India-China issues but they do get into China's maritime disputes. There are many VJers with relationships in that part of the world, so pasting below.

####### my mother in law was correct.

I can see where they're coming from.... they're mad because no one will come to the table to negotiate. No doubt in the mind of the current occupants, there's nothing to negotiate. If China made a claim to part of Alaska (justified or not) wouldn't the US tell them to F off?

[mota bhai 2,675]

####### my mother in law was correct.

I can see where they're coming from.... they're mad because no one will come to the table to negotiate. No doubt in the mind of the current occupants, there's nothing to negotiate. If China made a claim to part of Alaska (justified or not) wouldn't the US tell them to F off?

The author being interviewed is basically saying if someone claims your land, you should negotiate. Even if you don't give anything away, come to the table and talk.

He's using that idea to blame India for the 1962 war with China and call India the "aggressor" because India would not come to the table.

BTW you have a nice house. I like it. I claim it. Let's talk.

[Karee 4,190]

This doesn't look very reasonable to me:

[GandD 5,966]

The author being interviewed is basically saying if someone claims your land, you should negotiate. Even if you don't give anything away, come to the table and talk.

He's using that idea to blame India for the 1962 war with China and call India the "aggressor" because India would not come to the table.

BTW you have a nice house. I like it. I claim it. Let's talk.

That's what I got out of it. There should be a "statute of limitations" to land claims. Many of the ones China makes are from so long ago.... I mean by their rational, any Native Cherokee could initiate negotiations with me over my house and if I didn't come to the table I'd be irrational.

[mota bhai 2,675]

This doesn't look very reasonable to me:

You American warmongerer.

[Karee 4,190]

You American warmongerer.

The U.S. should claim the entire Caribbean as it's own. Then we can have Jamaica, Haiti, Cuba, and the D.R. That probably wouldn't work though. It would add too many Democrats the voting rolls.

[mota bhai 2,675]

The U.S. should claim the entire Caribbean as it's own. Then we can have Jamaica, Haiti, Cuba, and the D.R. That probably wouldn't work though. It would add too many Democrats the voting rolls.

Who said we have to give them the right to vote?

[Karee 4,190]

Who said we have to give them the right to vote?

Good point. We could use the Israeli model. Just occupy them and lock up anyone who makes too much noise.

[mota bhai 2,675]

Good point. We could use the Israeli model. Just occupy them and lock up anyone who makes too much noise.

We could relocate them to a reservation on Guam. And then make sure Kim Jong Un gets a better missile.

Edited April 25, 2013 by amriki bhai

[Karee 4,190]

We could relocate them to a reservation on Guam. And then make sure Kim Jong Un gets a better missile.

:rofl:

Awesome!

[SMR 368]

The problem with coming to the table to negotiate is that it sort of implies that you are willing to compromise and find middle ground. That just encourages everyone to make claims that are as ridiculous as possible since you can 'compromise' by backing off of them a little bit. So when someone makes ridiculous claims and then says they want to negotiate, your only options are to make similarly ridiculous claims so that you start the negotiations on equally ridiculous ground or else just ignore them.

Edited April 25, 2013 by SMR

[Karee 4,190]

The problem with coming to the table to negotiate is that it sort of implies that you are willing to compromise and find middle ground. That just encourages everyone to make claims that are as ridiculous as possible since you can 'compromise' by backing off of them a little bit. So when someone makes ridiculous claims and then says they want to negotiate, your only option is to make similarly ridiculous claims so that you start the negotiations on equally ridiculous ground or else just ignore them.

Yeah it's like me saying to you, "You owe me $1000" You say pi$$ off. I say lets negotiate. I end up walking away with $100.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It is all about fishing rights. The Chinese and the Japanese will eventually go to war over fishing rights.

[GandD 5,966]

It is all about fishing rights. The Chinese and the Japanese will eventually go to war over fishing rights.

Not as long as US 7th fleet is the primary power in the South China Sea.