POLICE CERTIFICATE ........... NO LIVE TRACE ??????

[chrisclassic 14]

Hello fellow vjers

a quick question and it goes like this

i just got my acpo records and it says no live trace ???? i have never been arrested but asked to go to the station for questioning about a traffic cone incident lol

the story goes about 6/7 years ago on halloween night we decided to pick up as many abandoned traffic cones and fill up 2 cars worth i was currently sleeping at the time when we got pulled over we were never arrested but was told to take them out and were let away anyways 4 weeks later and was asked to go to our local police station for questioning so all of us went and sat around and got questioned anyway i got board and said yes we did pick the cones and put them in the car we were never charged or convicted or even fined just only cautioned i just wondered if you think this will be a bad thing for a k1 if not please could you help in what i should do to declare it seen as it was a long time ago and was never convicted

apart from this i have never had any trouble with the police

so yeah my record so no live trace what do i need to do to let the embassy know about this case cheers

[speedwell 224]

Hello fellow vjers

a quick question and it goes like this

i just got my acpo records and it says no live trace ???? i have never been arrested but asked to go to the station for questioning about a traffic cone incident lol

the story goes about 6/7 years ago on halloween night we decided to pick up as many abandoned traffic cones and fill up 2 cars worth i was currently sleeping at the time when we got pulled over we were never arrested but was told to take them out and were let away anyways 4 weeks later and was asked to go to our local police station for questioning so all of us went and sat around and got questioned anyway i got board and said yes we did pick the cones and put them in the car we were never charged or convicted or even fined just only cautioned i just wondered if you think this will be a bad thing for a k1 if not please could you help in what i should do to declare it seen as it was a long time ago and was never convicted

apart from this i have never had any trouble with the police

so yeah my record so no live trace what do i need to do to let the embassy know about this case cheers

Yes, a caution shows as "no live trace". Contact the police station where the incident happened and inquire about how to get the records of what happened. You will need the record to submit with your paperwork and probably a copy at the interview.

A better resource for UK police certificate information specifically is the BritishExpats forum, where lots of people in your same position have posted. Go to the USA forum and do a search there.

[chrisclassic 14]

Yes, a caution shows as "no live trace". Contact the police station where the incident happened and inquire about how to get the records of what happened. You will need the record to submit with your paperwork and probably a copy at the interview.

A better resource for UK police certificate information specifically is the BritishExpats forum, where lots of people in your same position have posted. Go to the USA forum and do a search there.

will it effect me in getting a visa even if i do all this ????

[speedwell 224]

will it effect me in getting a visa even if i do all this ????

Affect your visa process, possibly. It basically gives you an extra hoop to jump through. Since a caution is not an arrest and the offense is probably not down as theft or a drug-related offense, it is probably not a crime of moral turpitude (CIMT) and you will just have to prove records on what the disposition of the case was.

However, I have to tell you to be careful. Since you reported to the station and were questioned, it sounds to me like you might possibly have been arrested, even if nothing more came of it. In several years, a petty crime would have dropped off the radar in the UK, but the US will still want to know what happened. You had better contact the police and find out for sure what it was put down as.

If you were not convicted, then it will probably go OK. You just have to make sure you get the official statement of what happened in your case.

[chrisclassic 14]

Affect your visa process, possibly. It basically gives you an extra hoop to jump through. Since a caution is not an arrest and the offense is probably not down as theft or a drug-related offense, it is probably not a crime of moral turpitude (CIMT) and you will just have to prove records on what the disposition of the case was.

However, I have to tell you to be careful. Since you reported to the station and were questioned, it sounds to me like you might possibly have been arrested, even if nothing more came of it. In several years, a petty crime would have dropped off the radar in the UK, but the US will still want to know what happened. You had better contact the police and find out for sure what it was put down as.

If you were not convicted, then it will probably go OK. You just have to make sure you get the official statement of what happened in your case.

well i can say nothing happened in my case no court proceedings nothing its just on record so okay i will jump right on that and get it done

[Nich-Nick 3,353]

Yes, a caution shows as "no live trace". Contact the police station where the incident happened and inquire about how to get the records of what happened. You will need the record to submit with your paperwork and probably a copy at the interview.

A better resource for UK police certificate information specifically is the BritishExpats forum, where lots of people in your same position have posted. Go to the USA forum and do a search there.

A caution is like pleading guilty to a minor charge to save having to do the full court thing. No live trace means you have a conviction. Order a Subject Access Report from ACPO which will detail the event for the interviewing officer. It won't cause a denial, but not having the written details will get a 221(g) refusal until you provide the Subject Access Report.

There's some posts in the UK Forum concerning this. Here's two--

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/350185-london-2012-k1s-from-noa2-to-interview-thread/page__view__findpost__p__5135922

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/421930-no-live-trace/

The second one was updated today. The UK forum is a good place to ask questions about London interview matters.

[speedwell 224]

A caution is like pleading guilty to a minor charge to save having to do the full court thing. No live trace means you have a conviction. Order a Subject Access Report from ACPO which will detail the event for the interviewing officer. It won't cause a denial, but not having the written details will get a 221(g) refusal until you provide the Subject Access Report.

There's some posts in the UK Forum concerning this. Here's two--

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/350185-london-2012-k1s-from-noa2-to-interview-thread/page__view__findpost__p__5135922

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/421930-no-live-trace/

The second one was updated today. The UK forum is a good place to ask questions about London interview matters.

Awesome, thanks. I knew there was something the OP needed to look into.

[chrisclassic 14]

A caution is like pleading guilty to a minor charge to save having to do the full court thing. No live trace means you have a conviction. Order a Subject Access Report from ACPO which will detail the event for the interviewing officer. It won't cause a denial, but not having the written details will get a 221(g) refusal until you provide the Subject Access Report.

There's some posts in the UK Forum concerning this. Here's two--

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/350185-london-2012-k1s-from-noa2-to-interview-thread/page__view__findpost__p__5135922

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/421930-no-live-trace/

The second one was updated today. The UK forum is a good place to ask questions about London interview matters.

awesome thanks i was worried about getting denied for such a small case along time ago cheers my friend

[Ryan H 3,795]

Moved from Progress Reports to Process & Procedures.

[chrisclassic 14]

A caution is like pleading guilty to a minor charge to save having to do the full court thing. No live trace means you have a conviction. Order a Subject Access Report from ACPO which will detail the event for the interviewing officer. It won't cause a denial, but not having the written details will get a 221(g) refusal until you provide the Subject Access Report.

There's some posts in the UK Forum concerning this. Here's two--

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/350185-london-2012-k1s-from-noa2-to-interview-thread/page__view__findpost__p__5135922

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/421930-no-live-trace/

The second one was updated today. The UK forum is a good place to ask questions about London interview matters.

so even if it was petty theft of traffic cones and admitted to if i at the interview show this through records i will be okay im really worried now

[speedwell 224]

so even if it was petty theft of traffic cones and admitted to if i at the interview show this through records i will be okay im really worried now

It really depends on the maximum sentence you could have got if they threw the book at you. If the maximum penalty was no or a short period of jail time, you're probably still OK. If they determine that it was a CIMT (crime involving moral turpitide), something that is not totally clear in a case of petty theft, then you will file for a waiver. Don't worry, lots of people get waivers.

Edited April 16, 2013 by speedwell

[chrisclassic 14]

It really depends on the maximum sentence you could have got if they threw the book at you. If the maximum penalty was no or a short period of jail time, you're probably still OK. If they determine that it was a CIMT (crime involving moral turpitide), something that is not totally clear in a case of petty theft, then you will file for a waiver. Don't worry, lots of people get waivers.

well thats the thing they said it would be no sentance no fine just wanted us to admit to having the cones in the car the time we got pulled over ............ does that clear more up ????

[speedwell 224]

well thats the thing they said it would be no sentance no fine just wanted us to admit to having the cones in the car the time we got pulled over ............ does that clear more up ????

Yes, it's perfectly clear that something is fishy. I've seen other people who thought they were sorting things amicably, only to find later that they had a conviction posted against them. It could be a mistake, or it could be that you were lied to. Your conviction is the only thing the US will care about.

Edited April 16, 2013 by speedwell

[chrisclassic 14]

well thats the thing they said it would be no sentance no fine just wanted us to admit to having the cones in the car the time we got pulled over ............ does that clear more up ????

well im going to be honest and put it on my forms that i have admited to it and get a copy of subject access report to takr do you think il be good then if im upfront and i have been so far

Yes, it's perfectly clear that something is fishy. I've seen other people who thought they were sorting things amicably, only to find later that they had a conviction posted against them. It could be a mistake, or it could be that you were lied to. Your conviction is the only thing the US will care about.

well im going to be honest and put it on my forms that i have admited to it and get a copy of subject access report to takr do you think il be good then if im upfront and i have been so far

[speedwell 224]

well im going to be honest and put it on my forms that i have admited to it and get a copy of subject access report to takr do you think il be good then if im upfront and i have been so far

well im going to be honest and put it on my forms that i have admited to it and get a copy of subject access report to takr do you think il be good then if im upfront and i have been so far

That is what you should do, please, be upfront and honest. They know you're nervous and ashamed of the record. They see it all the time. Let them make the decision. Then you'll know how to proceed after that. Even if they throw an obstacle in your path this time, it is not the end of the line.